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UA TPE Service

Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:21 pm

UA will resume daily SFO-TPE service in April with 744. Does anyone know what's UA's plan for 2x daily services to NRT and NGO. I just don't see TPE has enough traffic load to support 3x daily flights to US either nonstop or via Japan, unless there is enoguh O&D traffic to NGO.
 
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RE: UA TPE Service

Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:35 pm

Quoting 1stclass (Thread starter):
UA will resume daily SFO-TPE service in April with 744. Does anyone know what's UA's plan for 2x daily services to NRT and NGO. I just don't see TPE has enough traffic load to support 3x daily flights to US either nonstop or via Japan, unless there is enoguh O&D traffic to NGO.

Remember, those Japan stops pull in traffic as well.
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RE: UA TPE Service

Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:39 pm

SFO-TPE B744 nonstop begins June 7th.

The NRT-TPE flight continues uninterrupted while NGO-TPE tag ends June 7th.
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RE: UA TPE Service

Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:41 pm

Don't remind me. It's going to be so sad to see only one UA bird here per day again whereas CO and NW have two or more.
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RE: UA TPE Service

Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:39 pm

Narita service will remain.
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RE: UA TPE Service

Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:40 pm

Just flew to TPE last week both flight NRT-TPE and TPE-NRT were packed!
 
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RE: UA TPE Service

Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:56 pm

UA can certainly carry the TPE route, and likely they will see better loads than NGO, also in terms of west coast to TPE, they are competing with EVA, who is more or less parternless in north america, and China Airlines, whose partner, DL, cannot offer half the connectivity out of LAX that UA can offer out of SFO for north american connections. Good for UA.
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RE: UA TPE Service

Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:44 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
SFO-TPE B744 nonstop begins June 7th.

The NRT-TPE flight continues uninterrupted while NGO-TPE tag ends June 7th.

Will SFO-NGO extend its service to somewhere else?
 
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RE: UA TPE Service

Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:31 pm

They had better or they're going to have an airplane spending a lot of time on the ground again.
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RE: UA TPE Service

Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:16 am

This is interesting. Would be nice to see another asian city added. KUL, MNL possibilities are endless.
 
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RE: UA TPE Service

Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:55 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 8):
They had better or they're going to have an airplane spending a lot of time on the ground again.

How long would it be on the ground? When the route first started (before the TPE tag-on) I think it was here for quite a few hours.

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 9):
KUL, MNL possibilities are endless.

I wouldn't say endless. They are limited by profitability...sadly.
Well KUL is underserved that is for sure. We have 4x week on MH with I believe an A330. But could it even deal with competition. I don't think it could be supported.
But MNL has PAL 5x week (A333) and NWA daily (B744) competing on it. JL just pulled out of NGO-MNL (767 don't remember frequency).
Other possibilites could be India. Some have talked about US carriers like NW and UA using their 5th freedom to do flights to India from Japan. I doubt they would do this but it is a possibility.

The destinations that are most in demand from NGO are in China. But we do have some limited competition on HKG. Non-stop is CX only with somethinkg like 3 daily and then one via TPE. UA could take one of those routes away (though I would still fly CX) but that would make yet another route to HKG that is not really needed.

That all being said, there were rumors that UA might consider ORD-NGO. It didn't work for AA but it might work for UA as they could capture the the Toyota contract to their Midwest facilities. That contract is currently with NW.
I would not mind this route as it would give me an alternate to the midwest.
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RE: UA TPE Service

Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:03 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 10):
That all being said, there were rumors that UA might consider ORD-NGO. It didn't work for AA but it might work for UA as they could capture the the Toyota contract to their Midwest facilities. That contract is currently with NW.
I would not mind this route as it would give me an alternate to the midwest.

I think it'll be pretty hard for UA to get the contract from NW. Toyota has a major research laboratory in the Detroit suburbs, and many of Toyota's suppliers also have R&D facilities in the Detroit area. United would have to significantly underprice NW to offset the aggravation Toyota's passengers would have to go through by changing planes at ORD (including taking the monorail from the international to the domestic terminals after arriving from NGO), instead of taking a nonstop on NW.
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RE: UA TPE Service

Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:21 am

I'm pretty sure United has the Japan-USA Toyota contract now?
 
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RE: UA TPE Service

Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 6):
UA can certainly carry the TPE route, and likely they will see better loads than NGO, also in terms of west coast to TPE, they are competing with EVA, who is more or less parternless in north america, and China Airlines, whose partner, DL, cannot offer half the connectivity out of LAX that UA can offer out of SFO for north american connections. Good for UA.

Tis true. I think SFO relies mostly on connectivity whereas LAX is mostly O&D. UA has done a great job with SFO, I wish one of the domestic airlines would do that at LAX. But at LAX, we have so many more Asian carriers and so much more competition than SFO, so why would they?
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RE: UA TPE Service

Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:12 am

How long would it be on the ground? When the route first started (before the TPE tag-on) I think it was here for quite a few hours.

When it first started, it was almost 23 hours of ground time. Arrival time was 1640 local and departure time for SFO was 1535.

I'm pretty sure United has the Japan-USA Toyota contract now?

No, it's split between west coast and midwest. UA's contract is for Toyota and subsidiaries on the west coast.

I think it'll be pretty hard for UA to get the contract from NW. Toyota has a major research laboratory in the Detroit suburbs, and many of Toyota's suppliers also have R&D facilities in the Detroit area. United would have to significantly underprice NW to offset the aggravation Toyota's passengers would have to go through by changing planes at ORD (including taking the monorail from the international to the domestic terminals after arriving from NGO), instead of taking a nonstop on NW.

Most of the people using NW to DTW are making a connection there to either SDF/CVG or IND. The R&D facilities in suburban Detroit don't require very much back and forth. Suppliers like TMMK and the new Subaru joint-venture in Indiana require more manpower movement as they are actual production facilities. It should be noted that almost every major Toyota group company in the Nagoya area has some operations in northern Kentucky or Indiana now.

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RE: UA TPE Service

Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:41 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 6):
they are competing with EVA, who is more or less parternless in north america

BR code-shares the TPE-LAX/SFO/SEA flights with CO and AA. I would say that BR is possibly "better partnered" than CI for the North American market.
 
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RE: UA TPE Service

Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:03 am

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 15):
BR code-shares the TPE-LAX/SFO/SEA flights with CO and AA. I would say that BR is possibly "better partnered" than CI for the North American market.

I think BR is definetly better partnered. Add their code share on TPE-YVR with Air Canada. Certainly makes a choice for compelling value/convenience for anyone connecting beyond YVR in the TPE-Canada market.

That said however, I'm glad UA is back on TPE-SFO. I used to do the flight from YYZ-SFO-TPE because I could take a nice day or two stopover in SFO to break up the long flight and see something fun! (Not that YVR isn't fun, but, well, ok!) The cost of both CI and BR into YVR is becoming nuts! (I've seen flights quoted that are regularly 20-30% more than BR/CI flights into LA) so offering another way to get to the Canadian eastcoast makes an interesting choice for me!

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