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How Long Does It Take For A Crash To Get Cleaned?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:03 pm

I was recently driving past DOV and saw the crash site of the C-5 that crashed there months ago, but I saw that the only thing that has been taken is the cockpit area of the fuselage only. The tail section and 85% of the fuselage remain there still.

So usually how long does it take to get rid of a aircraft that huge? I know 747's are comparable and size and they seem to get taken care of kind of swiftly. Plus, I know the farm where the C-5 is on isn't to happy about taking its land for the season.
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RE: How Long Does It Take For A Crash To Get Cleaned?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:04 pm

Well in the case of the West Coast Airlines DC-9-15 that crashed on a flight from EUG to PDX in the 1960s, much, if not all of the debris is still there, in a remote forest about 40 miles SE of PDX.
Only way in is by helicopter.

The aircraft had been in service with the airline for not even two weeks, and it was the first and only DC-9 in the fleet. West Coast had to wait some time for their second DC-9 to be delivered.
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RE: How Long Does It Take For A Crash To Get Cleaned?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:12 pm

Of course, it can vary depending on the size of the a/c, the location of the crash, the severity of the crash, numbers killed and the progress of the investigation. Those on or very close to an active runway or taxiway will have to be cleared quite quickly or it will interfere with operations. Priority will have to given to any investigation process to make sure it is done right.
From my observations for a land crash, for airliners where access is available, it will probably take several weeks to remove most debris, with major pieces removed in a matter of days. For small a/c that are accessable, it might take just a few days to a week to remove the a/c. In any case, the crash area may not be fully 'cleared' of debris from the a/c for a couple of more weeks or even months to make sure get all of it to properly conduct an investigation.
 
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RE: How Long Does It Take For A Crash To Get Cleaned?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:51 pm

Quoting TZ757300 (Thread starter):
How Long Does It Take For A Crash To Get Cleaned?

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RE: How Long Does It Take For A Crash To Get Cleaned?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:49 am

I remember a JL DC-8 landed at Juhu airport (which has a very short runway) mistaking it for the nearby BOM airport, way back in 1972 or thereabouts, when I was small....the aircraft was lying at the end of the runway, where it ended up in a ditch, for almost 4-6 months, before it was dismantled......
 
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RE: How Long Does It Take For A Crash To Get Cleaned?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:40 am

I drove along the YYZ service road running past the spot where AF358 came to rest, about a month after the A340 over-ran runway 24L. There was not a sign of any kind that anything had happened there. Not a bit of wreckage; fences had been repaired - even the ruts made by the landing gear had disappeared.
 
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RE: How Long Does It Take For A Crash To Get Clean

Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:27 am

Is the airline who's aircraft crashed ever charged for clean up by local authorities? (Who's responsibility is the clean up esp if it happens outside of an airport, and if it does happen at the airport- does the airport charge the airline?)
Is there even a responsibility as such to clean it up if it happens say in a meadow out of the way?
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RE: How Long Does It Take For A Crash To Get Cleaned?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:11 am

Quoting Jetset25j (Reply 6):
Is the airline who's aircraft crashed ever charged for clean up by local authorities? (Who's responsibility is the clean up esp if it happens outside of an airport, and if it does happen at the airport- does the airport charge the airline?)
Is there even a responsibility as such to clean it up if it happens say in a meadow out of the way?

Well I would think the USAF would get rid of it since the farm where it landed has been basically unusable since it happened. They know the cause of the crash and there hasn't been activity with the site for a pretty long while. If the USAF isn't paying for it since it's out of their land, I'm sure the state will never pay for it since they weren't at fault for it to happen.
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RE: How Long Does It Take For A Crash To Get Cleaned?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 3):
This TU104 crashed landing in Cyprus some 34 years ago (1973)and debris are still there .

That sight should give the pax flying through there the warm fuzzies...not.

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RE: How Long Does It Take For A Crash To Get Cleaned?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:54 am

And the wreckage from many aircraft that have struck mountains or other inaccessible areas is still where it came to rest.

I recall a GVA newspaper article a year or two ago re a restaurant on the lower slopes of Mont Blanc, the highest mountain (just under 16,000 ft.) in the Alps and western Europe, on the France/Italy border about 50 miles from GVA. The restaurant has several pieces of wreckage from the Air-India L749 Constellation that crashed into the mountain near the top on November 3,1950 while descending to GVA. All 48 aboard fatal. The article had photos of a few pieces of wreckage, including a main landing gear wheel/tire, that have gradually worked their way through a glacier over the years and sometimes appear at the other end near the village where this restaurant is located as the snow/ice melts.

In a strange coincidence, 16 years later, January 24,1966, another Air-India flight descending to GVA, this time a 707-420 (Rolls-Royce Conway engines), crashed into Mont Blanc in almost exactly the same place as the Constellation, with all 117 aboard fatal.

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RE: How Long Does It Take For A Crash To Get Cleaned?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:10 pm

Kenyon IES, a company with an office in Bracknell England are sometimes called by the airline to clean up the mess. They have a 24-hour go-team on standby.

They work for the airline as its their responsibilty to clean up after the authorities have finished with it.

A job can be accomplished within days of being called. Others can take months as the wreckage may need to be wireframed locally for further investigation.
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RE: How Long Does It Take For A Crash To Get Cleaned?

Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:22 am

In 1988 I investigated a small plane crash in the BC mountains about 2 hours north of Hope. The wreckage had gone undiscovered for 7 years. Once the on site investigation was completed, the wreckage was tagged as already reported and left there. All that was removed was the remains of the the three occupants, no wreckage clean up at all.
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RE: How Long Does It Take For A Crash To Get Cleaned?

Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 3):
This TU104 crashed landing in Cyprus some 34 years ago (1973)and debris are still there .

Only Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974 and the airport is closed since then.
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RE: How Long Does It Take For A Crash To Get Cleaned?

Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:26 am

Update: The C-5 has been officially cleared for removal. The news tonight said it should be all gone by next Wednesday. All the metal will be sold for scrap. Took it 10 1/2 months, but its finally happening.
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