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Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:53 pm

Hello

http://www.aero.de/news.php?varnewsi...D=d7d6516e81332d92803e3433b7915910

«La Tribune» :French :

http://www.latribune.fr/info/Recentr...Economie-$SubChannel=International

Sorry just in German

///////PARIS (dpa, aero.de) - Die neue Generation der A320-Familie von Airbus soll laut einem Bericht der französischen Wirtschaftszeitung «La Tribune» nur noch an einem Standort gebaut werden. Dies habe Airbus-Chef Louis Gallois kürzlich den französischen Gewerkschaften mitgeteilt. Die Produktion des Mittelstreckenflugzeuges dürfte dann ganz in Hamburg angesiedelt werden, berichtete das Blatt ohne nähere Quellen. Im Gegenzug solle die gesamte Produktion von Großraumflugzeugen in "sehr strikter Trennung" in Toulouse konzentriert werden.////////

1: The New generation of 320s will be built completely in Hamburg.

2: All the LR A/Cs will be built just in Toulouse.

To my opinion this would be bad for Toulouse as the 320 makes half of the sales.
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:04 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
To my opinion this would be bad for Toulouse as the 320 makes half of the sales.

Bad in the short run, good in the long run. It would be more effective to have one plant dedicated to narrow body aircraft, and the other to wide body ones. This way Toulouse plant can be optimized for A380 and A350 lines - especially the A350, once the project starts proceeding on full speed.
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:05 am

Good news for the Hamburg crew......
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:07 am

I think it makes sense. As the A-320 is selling relatively well compared to the A-318, 319 and 321 and within a few years there will be multiple wide body lines running in Toulouse; the A-300 line might be extended, the A-330(340) and A-380 are or will be in full steam in 2-3 years and a few years later the A-350 will be added. So without changes, Toulouses output would grow disproportionally compared to Hamburg.
And don't forget it's just final assembly, the factories who make critical parts like the wings might actually make more product/revenue then the factory who just slaps the parts together. Toulouse might be compensated by doing some more part work for the A-320 line.
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:08 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):

Are the wings still going to be built at Chester,UK?
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:13 am

Business wise it makes sense, but all the hassle about the Muehlenberger Loch and the runway expansion at Finkenwerder was for nothing...

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 2):
Good news for the Hamburg crew......

They think differently - at least from what I've heard last year as the media already speculted about this.

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Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:19 am

Quoting Cardiffairtaxi (Reply 4):

Are the wings still going to be built at Chester,UK?

I presume , this is just the final assembly .
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:24 am

Wasn't Streiff fired for suggesting this? It makes perfect sense that they do it, but what happened to the politics? Are they really settled?
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:26 am

Thanks for some 'hard news', LHStarAlliance.

Wasn't this one of the things that Christian Streiff suggested? And got fired for?
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 8):
Thanks for some 'hard news', LHStarAlliance.

 Wink

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 8):
Wasn't this one of the things that Christian Streiff suggested? And got fired for?

Well as far as I know Streiff went voluntary to Peugot-Citroen .
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:41 am

Thats good news. Frees up room to build the A340/330 at Toulouse or build more planes per year there.

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Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:57 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 9):
Wasn't this one of the things that Christian Streiff suggested? And got fired for?

Well as far as I know Streiff went voluntary to Peugot-Citroen .

Absolutely!  sarcastic 
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:03 am

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PARIS (AP)--Xavier Petrachi, an official of one of France's largest labor unions the CGT said Monday that a report in the daily La Tribune that Airbus wants to locate production of its future single-aisle aircraft solelyin Hamburg would be "brutal" news, but said it has to be taken cautiously.

According to the newspaper report citing union sources, Louis Gallois, chief executive of both Airbus and the European Aeronautic Defense and Space Co. NV has told union representatives that it is unlikely there will be more than one assembly line for the successor to Airbus's successful A320 family of short-to-medium haul jets. Such a decision would fit in with the company's plan to cut costs by EUR2 billion a year by 2010...

..."It would be hard to imagine that the future A320 will be built at Hamburg without some sort of compensation for Toulouse," Petrachi said...

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20070115-704586.html
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:10 am

Now the question is :

Is it better for a Airbus Assembly to build the more prestigious 350-380-330...

Or build the best seller 320 and 321 319 318 .
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:14 am

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...his first move, expected to be announced by the end of February, will be to shift manufacture of all large aircraft to its Toulouse headquarters, with smaller 'narrow body' jet production being consolidated at Hamburg, Germany.

The move is a precursor to a larger reorganisation that could see up to half of Airbus's 15 European plants sold off, with thousands of job losses among the 55,000-strong workforce.

A shift of large aircraft from Hamburg will be highly controversial and cut across intense national rivalries at the pan-European group. Forgeard caused fury in Germany last summer when he appeared to blame the Hamburg plant for some of the delay to the A380 programme.

'There is an argument raging between the company and the German government about this,' said one source.

The state government of Hamburg has supported the A380, and is one of a number of German states which want to invest in Airbus, buying a 7.5 per cent stake in the company being sold by current shareholder Daimler Chrysler.

http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1989722,00.html
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 13):
Now the question is :

Is it better for a Airbus Assembly to build the more prestigious 350-380-330...

Thats what i'm wondering.

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Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:47 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 13):
Is it better for a Airbus Assembly to build the more prestigious 350-380-330...

Or build the best seller 320 and 321 319 318 .

TAKE THE MONEY! (A320 family).
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:51 am

It seems this is still up in the air:

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Xavier Petrachi, an official of one of France's largest labor unions the CGT said Monday that a report in the daily La Tribune that Airbus wants to locate production of its future single-aisle aircraft solely in Hamburg would be "brutal" news, but said it has to be taken cautiously.

An Airbus spokeswoman said Monday that details of the Power8 cost-cutting and rationalization plan are still being worked out, and that they won't be made public for some weeks.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...115-704586.html?mod=moj_industries
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:56 am

Normal procedure, I dare say. The company leaks information to prepare workers, unions and the public opinion.
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:58 am

So it sounds like the desire is to move A320 production to XFW so that the entire family can be built in one location, but it's still being hashed out with the unions.

Not sure how Airbus' union's are organized, but if they're anything like US ones, I imagine the German A380 workers are the most senior and highest-paid. If they transition directly to A320 work, how will they be integrated into the less-senior A318/A319/A321 teams and how will their higher wages affect both production costs of the A320 and put pressure to raise the wages of the A318/A319/A321 workers?

And will all the French A320 workers get a pay-raise and seniority bump when they move to the A380 program? I imagine the former would smooth over any misgivings about losing the A320...  Wink
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:03 am

Quoting Gbfra (Reply 19):
Normal procedure, I dare say. The company leaks information to prepare workers, unions and the public opinion.

I agree. Should be interesting to watch the dancing.
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:03 am

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 2):
Good news for the Hamburg crew......

I don´t know ... They´ll lose the 340 , 330 , 380 ( Cabin )

And become the 320 . At least it´s the best seller
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Quoting Gbfra (Reply 19):
Normal procedure, I dare say. The company leaks information to prepare workers, unions and the public opinion.

But aren't the unions in France much more powerful and militant?

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Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 23):
But aren't the unions in France much more powerful and militant?

Well in Germany they are very powerful , I think in France also .
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RE: Airbus To Build A320 Completely In Hamburg

Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:40 am

So Hamburg destroyed an ecologically sensitive marshland to expand its runway to accomodate the 380 only to find that the 380 will no longer be manufactured there?

I bet the Hamburg citizens will be so pleased to hear what Airbus has done now
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 23):
But aren't the unions in France much more powerful and militant?

Well, I'm not sure about France, but in Germany, unions get seats on the board of directors! Talk about not keeping the interests of shareholders at heart. This is why Volkswagen AG and DaimlerChrysler have not had the board upheavals that you would expect at an Anglo-American company in response to their gross underperformance. It also makes hostile takeovers far more difficult (which isn't always a good thing.)

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Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:46 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 25):
So Hamburg destroyed an ecologically sensitive marshland to expand its runway to accomodate the 380 only to find that the 380 will no longer be manufactured there?

I bet the Hamburg citizens will be so pleased to hear what Airbus has done now

I thought they were going to build it in the town that required them to bring the barrels through the town at retarded speeds so the buildings aren't smashed into? or was that just for the prototype.

the A380 program has been half assed from day one imho, and having to float wing sections down a river and tow barrels through a small town just shows how inept the whole program is if they continue to do that for the entire building process.

there, I said it. pro airbus folks, go ahead and get the post flagged/deleted, i've noticed many of my posts deleted lately when it doesn't trumpet the company.

if they changed how they get parts to final assembly, let me know with HARD FACTS AND PROOF not crap thought up at the lost moment to defend a weak position. cite your sources!

it's not the first time a big corporation ruins the planet also for a stupid idea either.

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Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:50 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 22):
And become the 320 . At least it´s the best seller

Well, not all of them. There is that A320 plant Airbus plans to build in China....
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RE: Airbus To Build A320 Completely In Hamburg

Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:52 am

Hmmmm....given this - can we assume that Hamburg will LOSE its share of the A380? If so, I wouldn't be too thrilled if I worked at Hamburg. Sounds like they are getting the raw end of a deal. :-/

Especially given all the investment and construction and demolition that had to be done in Hmaburg for the A380 construction project.
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RE: Airbus To Build A320 Completely In Hamburg

Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:05 am

My questions revolve around how much more of a delay all of these major organizational changes are going to inflict on the overall Airbust380 project? Changing team compositions, reallocating duties and responsibilities, moving staff in and out, shipping expensive and complex equipment around, reintegrating employees and business processes all sound like they will have at least a temporary negative impact upon an already trouble-plagued project.

Any hints on how all of this will play out? Will the enraged citizens of Hamburg grab their replica torches and family heirloom pitchforks and descend upon TLS seeking retribution for the loss of their cherished lake sacrificed on the altar of Franco-German corporate hubris.

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RE: Airbus To Build A320 Completely In Hamburg

Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:07 am

About time! Building the A320 in TLS never seemed to make much sense. Was this initially a political move when the A32x was a much-touted new product for Europe?
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:21 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 25):
So Hamburg destroyed an ecologically sensitive marshland to expand its runway to accomodate the 380 only to find that the 380 will no longer be manufactured there?

I bet the Hamburg citizens will be so pleased to hear what Airbus has done now

I wonder whether this will have any legal consequences after the endless law suit?

Quoting N328KF (Reply 26):

Well, I'm not sure about France, but in Germany, unions get seats on the board of directors! Talk about not keeping the interests of shareholders at heart. This is why Volkswagen AG and DaimlerChrysler have not had the board upheavals that you would expect at an Anglo-American company in response to their gross underperformance.

The stockholders have always a majority (exception are mining/steel industries) and that's what count. Don't forget we have also a different board system with a strict separation between managing board and board of directors. In theory the German board of directors (Aufsichtsrat) is also responsible for the interest of other stakeholders like the employees.

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Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 13):
Now the question is :

Is it better for a Airbus Assembly to build the more prestigious 350-380-330...

Or build the best seller 320 and 321 319 318 .

Perhaps looking at which side got the money and which side got the status might provide a clue.  Smile

Quoting N328KF (Reply 26):
in Germany, unions get seats on the board of directors!

This has to be one of the dumbest laws on the planet.
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:27 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
So it sounds like the desire is to move A320 production to XFW so that the entire family can be built in one location, but it's still being hashed out with the unions.



Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 23):
It ain't implemented until it's implemented.

Right, for the time being it's a (strong) proposal.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 25):
So Hamburg destroyed an ecologically sensitive marshland to expand its runway to accomodate the 380 only to find that the 380 will no longer be manufactured there?

Depends on what phrases like "The new generation of 320s will be built completely in Hamburg" mean. I tend to think the plan refers to future aircraft programs primarily, namely 350 and 320NG.

It wouldn't make sense to completely re-arrange the way current types are 'built'. It would make sense though to streamline 'final assembly' and cabin systems installation across the single aisle family.
I guess relocating A380 cabin interior outfitting to TLS would not help much to lower production cost. Relocating the pre-assembly of A380 fuselage sections from XFW to TLS doesn't look compelling to me either.

Is there a risk of XFW becoming completely dependent on the 320NG?
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:43 am

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 34):

Depends on what phrases like "The new generation of 320s will be built completely in Hamburg" mean. I tend to think the plan refers to future aircraft programs primarily, namely 350 and 320NG.

But doesn't the article say that the manufacturing of wide bodies will be concentrated in Toulouse?

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 33):
This has to be one of the dumbest laws on the planet.

 Yeah sure I didn't get the impression that it has hurt German companies. There are much more stupid laws around.

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Quoting Pelican (Reply 35):
But doesn't the article say that the manufacturing of wide bodies will be concentrated in Toulouse?

Yes, 320NG in XFW and 350 in TLS.
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting Pelican (Reply 35):
I didn't get the impression that it has hurt German companies.

Germany has one of the slowest growing (effectively stagnant) economies in the world. This is one of the reasons why.
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 36):

Yes, 320NG in XFW and 350 in TLS.

Okay, I see. Whatever a 320NG is... I mean there isn't anything official, is there?

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Quoting N328KF (Reply 26):
Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 23):
But aren't the unions in France much more powerful and militant?

Well, I'm not sure about France, but in Germany, unions get seats on the board of directors! Talk about not keeping the interests of shareholders at heart. This is why Volkswagen AG and DaimlerChrysler have not had the board upheavals that you would expect at an Anglo-American company in response to their gross underperformance. It also makes hostile takeovers far more difficult (which isn't always a good thing.)

If you want the workers to be represented, make them shareholders; don't give them board seats just for the hell of it.

Don't forget that neither EADS nor Airbus are German companies! EADS is a Dutch company, Airbus is a French one. Therefore the German model does not apply to them.

As for the strength of unions the French unions in the private sector are the weakest in the world! Only about 5 per cent of the French workers in the private sector are unionized and there is a strong competition among unions. Their strongholds are in the public sector exclusively. The problem is that although EADS is a private company the French state owns a part of the capital. It is easy to assume that the unions will try to put pressure upon the government, and given the fact that elections for the Presidency and the Parliament will take place in spring the management of EADS/Airbus might face some difficulties.

In Germany I don't expect the unions to cause much trouble but the governments (federal as well as regional) could try to interfere.
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting Gbfra (Reply 39):
In Germany I don't expect the unions to cause much trouble but the governments (federal as well as regional) could try to interfere.

Well this will be the problem for them , the regional will be the worst problem as they have much interest you can see it with the last stock buy of Niederschsen , Hamburg , Nord-Rhein Westfalen (?) and Bremen buying the 7.5 % of the Daimler Chrisler Stock.
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:16 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 37):
Germany has one of the slowest growing (effectively stagnant) economies in the world.

Ever looked on the most recent figures?

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 37):
This is one of the reasons why.

Employee participation plays a marginal role at best (or worst here).
The German industry is in relative good shape. Maybe you should look on the figures of export growth during the last 5 years. There are other reason for sluggish GDP development in the last decade.

BTW As said before employees are with a few exemptions always a minority in the board of directors and have no say in management. There are even cases were employee participation is an advantage.


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Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:24 am

Quoting Pelican (Reply 41):
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 37):
Germany has one of the slowest growing (effectively stagnant) economies in the world.

Ever looked on the most recent figures?

Yeah , Any other country in the world exports as much as Germany , Germany is world Champion in exports . Also Germany is the 3 richest country in the world . So it´s false to say that it´s the slowest growing . Last year it has grown 2.5 %.

http://www.tagesschau.de/aktuell/meldungen/0,,OID5994586_REF1,00.html

Never German DAX Companies earned as much as now , the problem is the repartition to the workers , the rewards are to low .

So the problem is the domestic market .

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Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:34 am

Quoting Pelican (Reply 41):
The German industry is in relative good shape.

Relative to what? North Korea? Somalia?

Quoting Pelican (Reply 41):
Maybe you should look on the figures of export growth during the last 5 years.

That's not an indicator of economic health. It's easy to boost exports at the expense of the economy.

Quoting Pelican (Reply 41):
There are other reason for sluggish GDP development in the last decade.

Of course there are other reasons. Extreme taxation, kafkaesque bureaucracy, subsidies, etc.

Quoting Pelican (Reply 41):
employees are with a few exemptions always a minority in the board of directors and have no say in management.

Hmmm. The first analogy that comes to mind is: "A minority of the teachers at my child's school are illiterate and innumerate. As long as they aren't in the majority, I'm not bothered about it." I serve on five boards at the moment and I can assure you that having even just one board member unwilling or unable to look out for the interests of the shareholders is a serious problem for a company.

Quoting Pelican (Reply 41):
There are even cases were employee participation is an advantage.

It's very, very important for management to listen to their employees. The boardroom is not the place for it.
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 43):
Relative to what? North Korea? Somalia?

In some ways relative to the rest of Europe.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 43):
That's not an indicator of economic health. It's easy to boost exports at the expense of the economy.

I wouldn't say that. However, German "exports" have grown significantly to other EU countries. What I think has likely happened is that Germany has benefited from reduced trading barriers relative to non-EU countries, and Germany is benefiting from the lack of competitiveness in certain industries in those other EU countries.
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RE: Airbus To Build A320 Completely In Hamburg

Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting Gbfra (Reply 19):
Normal procedure, I dare say. The company leaks information to prepare workers, unions and the public opinion.

Information was not "leaked" to unions and workers, but:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 12):
According to the newspaper report citing union sources, Louis Gallois, chief executive of both Airbus and the European Aeronautic Defense and Space Co. NV has told union representatives that it is unlikely there will be more than one assembly line for the successor to Airbus's successful A320 family of short-to-medium haul jets.

That's look to me what "normal procedure" should be, tell the employees first.
 
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RE: Airbus To Build A320 Completely In Hamburg

Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:43 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 43):
Relative to what? North Korea? Somalia?

Common is this Germany bash ? Or what?

It´s a Fact that Germany is Export World Champion and that German Companies never have earned so much .

The Problem is as said , the domestic market ( Binnemarkt ) .

Companies pay to low in Germany , if they would pay more people would buy more and Companies would earn at the end more , so they would hire more workers and the unemployment would go down .
Also the State has to invest more in Infrastructure and so on , like this they would create more Jobs.

The Deficit Spending is at the end good for the own country.

I suggest all of you this site : www.nachdenkseiten.de ( for german speakers)
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RE: Airbus To Build A320 Completely In Hamburg

Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:47 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 44):
I wouldn't say that. However, German "exports" have grown significantly to other EU countries. What I think has likely happened is that Germany has benefited from reduced trading barriers relative to non-EU countries, and Germany is benefiting from the lack of competitiveness in certain industries in those other EU countries.

That´s it countries like Italy or France can no compete more with Germany .
At the end this is bad for Germany as they are buyers for German products and if their economy is bad they´ll not buy more .
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RE: Airbus To Build A320 Completely In Hamburg

Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 46):
Common is this Germany bash ? Or what?

I'm not trying to bash anyone. I just pointed out the extreme stupidity of one particular law and people start trying to hold up Germany as a shining example of economic growth (which it's not). Europe in general is an economic basket-case (except for Estonia, Ireland, and the UK). Lithuania appears to be doing well but that's only because of the distribution of billions of euro stolen from west european taxpayers and having started from a 2nd world level 15 years ago. Any country with less than 10% average annual economic growth per capita is doing poorly in my opinion. There is no excuse for less than 10%.
 
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RE: Airbus To Build A320 Completely In Hamburg

Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 34):
Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 23):
It ain't implemented until it's implemented.

Right, for the time being it's a (strong) proposal.

And after it's implemented recalcitrant bureaucrats will try to sabotage it.
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