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Lounge Admission / Domestic First Class

Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:42 am

Hey everyone,
I will be taking to domestic First Class flights this year.

#1 will be UA from EWR to SFO, #1 will be US from SFO to PHL. The latter also has an international connecting flight (biz on LH).

My question is wheter or not there is lounge access (or lounges at all) for these flights. I've tried to search the websites but neither US nor UA do state anything helpful on their pages.

Thanks for your help!
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RE: Lounge Admission / Domestic First Class

Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:29 am

Unless you are currently a member of United's Red Carpet Club or the US Airways Club, you'll have to purchase a one-time visit/one day pass in order to have lounge access. As for the connection onto LH, from what I can gather off of LH's site, you will have access to the US Airways Club based on your Business Class ticket. It seems as though most airlines don't let non-club members who are flying up in first class domestically have access to their lounges (I noticed AA does, but under some really hard to figure out rules). I personally think that if someone has paid for a full fare domestic first class ticket but do not hold a membership to that airline's (or a partner airline's) club program that they should have lounge access for the day of the travel. They do as such if you're booked in their first or business class on an intercontinental flight, so why not extend the privilege to those flying up front on a domestic flight?
 
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RE: Lounge Admission / Domestic First Class

Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:27 pm

Since you are departing PHL in LH Business Class, you should be permitted to use the US Airways ENVOY Lounge at Philadelphia. I'd call US Airways in advance and make certain this is the case. Don't confuse the many other US Airways Clubs in PHL with this one, or you'll miss an opportunity to visit an excellent International Departure facility.
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RE: Lounge Admission / Domestic First Class

Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:52 pm

You should be able to use any Star lounge on the outbound flight, as you will be on a same-day international premium cabin ticket.

The UA leg to the West Coast will not grant you access to a lounge.

That being said, if you are a Star Gold on an airline other than UA or US, you will have access to the lounge on the basis of your status.
 
Icelandair
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RE: Lounge Admission / Domestic First Class

Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:44 am

The Star Alliance Website says that one is allowed to use any members lounge if he holds an international business class ticket for that same day.

So does that mean we do get access to a lounge in SFO as well? I thought that's what DeltaAirlines mentioned in his last reply as well.
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roseflyer
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RE: Lounge Admission / Domestic First Class

Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting Icelandair (Reply 4):
The Star Alliance Website says that one is allowed to use any members lounge if he holds an international business class ticket for that same day.

So does that mean we do get access to a lounge in SFO as well? I thought that's what DeltaAirlines mentioned in his last reply as well.

Yes would get lounge access in SFO as well with your same day international boarding pass normally, however US Airways does not have a lounge in SFO. Therefore the only one you can use is United's Red Carpet Club, but US and UA do not share the same gates, so the end result is that you will not get lounge access in SFO.

You will get access in PHL if you show your LH boarding pass. You do not need an invitation or anything like that.
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RE: Lounge Admission / Domestic First Class

Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:52 am

boy, now that is really confusing! anway thanks a lot for your help!
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RE: Lounge Admission / Domestic First Class

Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:04 am

Quoting Icelandair (Reply 6):
boy, now that is really confusing! anway thanks a lot for your help!

Bottom line is that you will only get lounge access in PHL. Go to the Envoy lounge near gate 15 and you'll be happy.
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RE: Lounge Admission / Domestic First Class

Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:27 am

What I do not understand about premium classes in the US and Australia (QF) is why they do not allow the passengers into the lounges unless they are members of the airlines club or FF program. Obviously a Star Gold can get into UA and US in the US regardless but thats because you are a member of another airlines affiliated club.

In Europe if you travel on in Premium Economy, Business or in some cases full fare regular Economy there is access granted to the Business lounges.

BD allow pax into the lounge if they are in YBMI (full economy) or above. BA Connect passengers on premium fares get lounge access, in BHD it so happens to be BD lounge as BA has such a small operation. Theres no prerequisite to join a club (not even the mile high), if you got the right fare then you get in. And it actually would not surprise me if the Premium fares here were cheaper than the ticket cost plus the club cost per usage in the US.

Can someone give me reasons for such awkwardness of lounges & non-EU premium classes?
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RE: Lounge Admission / Domestic First Class

Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:04 pm

Quoting Cjbmibe (Reply 8):
Can someone give me reasons for such awkwardness of lounges & non-EU premium classes?

I don't know the answer specifically, but I could guess at two reasons that it's not as much of a necessary perk anymore:

1. The proliferation of point-to-point flights, especially between the larger cities that would have the majority of business travel, along with the increasing service frequencies out of hubs, means many fewer travelers have to make a connection, and those who are connecting can make much tighter connections in many cases. Greatly reducing or eliminating time in the airport between flights reduces the need for the lounges.

2. Virtually all business travelers have cell phones, and many of them also carry PDA phones (like Blackberries) and laptops with Wi-fi, which is also available at many airports. So the need to go to a lounge to make a few calls, faxes, or emails is eliminated - if you want to get a little work done between flights, you can do it anywhere rather than hunting down the lounge.

Between 1 and 2, if the premium passengers here aren't demanding them anymore, it doesn't benefit the airlines to give them away for free. They might as well make a little money off the people who do still prefer them enough to pay for the privilege.
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RE: Lounge Admission / Domestic First Class

Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:09 pm

Quoting Cjbmibe (Reply 8):
What I do not understand about premium classes in the US and Australia (QF) is why they do not allow the passengers into the lounges unless they are members of the airlines club or FF program. Obviously a Star Gold can get into UA and US in the US regardless but thats because you are a member of another airlines affiliated club.

Sounds like you are confusing a few things...or just badly wording it.

For the most part you can get into airline lounges in the US by:
1) Having an international Business/First Class flight
2) Being holding lounge membership for given airline (AA Admirals Club for example)
3) Being an elite member of an alliance partner whose home is outside the US. (e.g. BA Gold using AA Admirals Club)
4) Paying for a day pass.

Generally outside the US you gain access by:
1) Holding elite status (of certain levels) within the alliance. Those lounge membership programmes don't apply to lounges owned by non-US airlines, unless it is a Red Carpet Club at LHR for example.
2) Flying Business/First Class (and some economy tickets)

Why is it like this? Well because that is how it has always been. Since alliances/codesharing has become popular both concepts have merged and evolved.
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RE: Lounge Admission / Domestic First Class

Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:31 pm

Quoting Cjbmibe (Reply 8):
Obviously a Star Gold can get into UA and US in the US regardless but thats because you are a member of another airlines affiliated club.

Being a Star Gold does not get you in to a lounge in the United States for domestic flights. United under does not give elite members access to lounges on domestic flights. You have to pay extra for lounges. It sucks, but US airlines have fares similar to the LCCs, so you can't expect premium treatment.
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RE: Lounge Admission / Domestic First Class

Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:47 pm

It was my understanding that Star Gold members of other *A airlines get access to US/UA lounges in the US as most of the lounge signs now say Star Gold on them. As a lurker on flyertalk I have read many times however that lounges are highly situational in the US and Japan, and it is often up to the whim of the lounge matrons. For example, I was traveling on SAS Business to United First on CPH-ZRH-IAD and the flight went tech in Zurich so I wanted to use the Swiss Arrivals Lounge at ZRH, but was denied access on the basis that it is only for LX/LH Miles & More member pax with Star Gold equivalent status, making the sign merely for show (the matron said the sign was just for show, and sorry, but you still can't enter). When I complained to a LX manager about the sign he responded, shockingly, by saying not that the confusing sign would be changed, but that the matron would be disciplined for telling me the truth...
 
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RE: Lounge Admission / Domestic First Class

Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 10):
Sounds like you are confusing a few things...or just badly wording it

I think I may have worded my question badly.

What I was curious about is why in the UK and travelling on BD in Business, Premium or full economy lounge access is granted without the need to buy a day pass or pay for a membership, yet in the US and Australia you need to pay to join a club so as to gain the lounges on domestic flights.

I understand that when flying international that lounge access is granted when flying First/Business/Pemium or being a Gold member of an airline alliance.


From what I've read in responce I take it that European airlines value customers more by providing lounges in the ticket costs. I know from some experiences that our airlines dont really value the customers, but use the lounges to lure customers from other airlines with similar inflight products.
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