leelaw
Posts: 4520
Joined: Sat May 29, 2004 4:13 pm

Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:53 pm



A.netters kindly clear your calendar for this year's edition of this much anticipated event.
Lex Ancilla Justitiae
 
manni
Posts: 4049
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2001 1:48 am

Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:15 pm

Thanks for that Leelaw! Let's see how good the informants are of the German FT, according to them Airbus has booked 800 net firm orders.

At the end of november Airbus had booked 635 firm orders, 611 net firm orders.
Airbus identified trough the last few weeks already 130 of them.

Here's what's been revealed so far.

LH 7 A346
AerCap 20 A330
QF 8 A380, 4 A330
SQ 9 A380, 19 A330 (leased)
Gruppo Marsans 12 A330
Pegasus 6 A330, 2 A350XWB
SALE 20 A32S
Interjet 10 A32S
Silkair 11 A32S
Israir 2 A32S

Total 43 NB + 87 WB = 130 (roughly 59 unacounted for)
SUPPORT THE LEBANESE CIVILIANS
 
scouseflyer
Posts: 2165
Joined: Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:02 pm

Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:35 pm

They'll be the minus 10 A380F for FedEx and possiby the A330Fs that first came up yesterday?
 
RichardPrice
Posts: 4474
Joined: Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:12 am

Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:43 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
They'll be the minus 10 A380F for FedEx and possiby the A330Fs that first came up yesterday?

The A330Fs announced yesterday are LoI only at this stage, so they wouldnt be included in the 2006 figures.
 
scouseflyer
Posts: 2165
Joined: Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:02 pm

Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:46 pm

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 3):

The A330Fs announced yesterday are LoI only at this stage, so they wouldnt be included in the 2006 figures.

of course you're right
 
manni
Posts: 4049
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2001 1:48 am

Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:46 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
They'll be the minus 10 A380F for FedEx

That's possible, but since the article in the German FT mentioned net orders, another order would neet to make up for this loss. Making it possibly 69 orders unacounted for.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
and possiby the A330Fs that first came up yesterday?

This was only a LoI that has been signed. No firm order yet.

I guess the 20 A350XWB's from China and the 8 A330s for Transaero might be in there. Possibly an order for 2 A380s from QR aswell.
SUPPORT THE LEBANESE CIVILIANS
 
leelaw
Posts: 4520
Joined: Sat May 29, 2004 4:13 pm

Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:55 am

"Airbus Seen Losing 5-Yr Leadership In Annual Orders"

Quote:
PARIS (AP)--Airbus, which this time last year defied expectations that it had fallen behind Boeing Co. by unveiling a glut of new orders, looks unlikely to pull off the same coup when it announces 2006 figures on Wednesday...

...Airbus warned last month that its share of overall airliner orders placed in 2006 would be about 36% by catalog value - down from 45% a year earlier and 54% in 2004...

...Beyond Wednesday's order and delivery figures, investors are keenly awaiting details of a promised restructuring program. The euro's strength has also hurt profitability at Airbus - which pays most of its costs in euros but bills customers in dollars - and its exposure is set to worsen as currency hedges expire in coming years.

Investors are also waiting on information surrounding the promised "Power8" restructuring program...

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20070116-712368.html

The full text of this Associated Press news story should be available on a "free" site shortly as well, I'll attempt to post such a link asap.
Lex Ancilla Justitiae
 
WingedMigrator
Posts: 1769
Joined: Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:45 am

Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:36 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 1):
(roughly 59 unacounted for)

Here's my bet: UPS goes minus 10 A380F and plus 25 A330F as launch customer. The bad news of delaying the A380F until some future date is cushioned by the good news of the A330F industrial launch...

Could it be?
 
User avatar
PanAm_DC10
Crew
Posts: 3799
Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:37 am

Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:53 pm

They will also be discussing the 2006 earning results for Airbus too;

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 6):
Beyond Wednesday's order and delivery figures, investors are keenly awaiting details of a promised restructuring program.

EADS are now reporting the impact of Airbus 2006 earnings on their outlook.

By Andrea Rothman

Jan. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Airbus SAS parent European Aeronautic, Defence & Space Co. said the planemaking division will probably post a loss in earnings before interest and tax for 2006 because of delays and higher costs on the A380.

EADS also said one time charges in relation to settlements with customers, impairment of assets, or financial impacts of the Power8 cost-cutting plan originally expected to occur from 2007 are now foreseen to be recognized as early as 2006.

''Furthermore, additional A380 charges not originally envisaged could apply as well,'' EADS said in a statement today. On the group level, the estimated positive Ebit contributions from the other EADS divisions, will ''roughly balance out the estimated negative Ebit impact of Airbus for 2006,'' EADS said.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...conews&tkr=EAD:FP&sid=a431bKdfPzpc

Regards, PanAm_DC10
Ask the impossible to achieve the best possible
 
leelaw
Posts: 4520
Joined: Sat May 29, 2004 4:13 pm

Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:53 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 6):
The full text of this Associated Press news story should be available on a "free" site shortly as well, I'll attempt to post such a link asap.

For those members of the forum who aren't subscribers to the WSJ:

"Airbus likely to lose 5-year leadership in annual orders"

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/299962_airbus17.html
Lex Ancilla Justitiae
 
astuteman
Posts: 6341
Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:50 pm

Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:16 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8):
said the planemaking division will probably post a loss in earnings before interest and tax for 2006 because of delays and higher costs on the A380.

IIRC the original forecast for Airbus EBIT this year was E2.8Bn.
We've already seen a E1Bn one-time charge on A380.
I also recall the possibility of a E1Bn charge arising from the old A350 programme termination.
Now they're saying they're likely to book Power8 exceptional charges this year too.
Sounds like a case of "If you're going to have a bad year, you might as well have a BAD year, and clear the decks  Smile .

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8):
''Furthermore, additional A380 charges not originally envisaged could apply as well,''

This is most decidedly NOT a good message IMO. Maybe EK really are playing THAT hard.

From memory, we usually have to wait until mid-March for EADS finals, don't we?

Regards
 
zvezda
Posts: 8891
Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:48 pm

Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:20 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
They'll be the minus 10 A380F for FedEx and possiby the A330Fs that first came up yesterday?

I'd be surprised if either have the last signature yet, especially the A330Fs.

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 7):
Here's my bet: UPS goes minus 10 A380F and plus 25 A330F as launch customer. The bad news of delaying the A380F until some future date is cushioned by the good news of the A330F industrial launch...

That would be a good deal for both Airbus and UPS.  Smile
 
User avatar
PanAm_DC10
Crew
Posts: 3799
Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:37 am

Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:44 pm

The numbers are:

790 Net orders

434 Deliveries

Regards, PanAm_DC10
Ask the impossible to achieve the best possible
 
n1786b
Posts: 384
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:10 am

RE: The Official Airbus 06 Order Intake Results Thread

Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:47 pm

824 gross
790 net
-----------
@75.1 billion at list prices - 40% of market share at list prices

deliveries 434
-----------
339 A32x
9 A300F
86 330/340

A330-200F launched

- n1786b
 
manni
Posts: 4049
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2001 1:48 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:49 pm

backlog of 2533 aircraft. 51% of all aircraft in backlog over 100 seats.

Unit wise for ordered aircraft Airbus is at 43% nett, 44% gross.
SUPPORT THE LEBANESE CIVILIANS
 
manni
Posts: 4049
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2001 1:48 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:56 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 1):
Let's see how good the informants are of the German FT, according to them Airbus has booked 800 net firm orders.

So the report appears to be wrong.

At the end of november Airbus had 635 gross orders, Airbus just announced 824 gross orders. 189 gross orders have been added in december. 10 additional cancellations have been added on top of the 24 known at the end of november.
SUPPORT THE LEBANESE CIVILIANS
 
scouseflyer
Posts: 2165
Joined: Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:02 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:03 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 15):
10 additional cancellations

I guess that that's FedEx's A380s
 
Aviator27
Posts: 332
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:09 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:05 pm

Quoting N1786b (Reply 13):
824 gross
790 net
-----------
@75.1 billion at list prices - 40% of market share at list prices

Except nobody buys airplanes at list prices which makes that comparison almost meaningless. Discounts are highly kept trade secrets. In itself its not a bad year for Airbus. In comparison to Boeing, its obviously not as good. The A380 saga has really hurt them. Also constraints on the A320 line keeping sales down (relatively). Production of the A320's can't keep pace with demand. This is the word out on the street.
 
manni
Posts: 4049
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2001 1:48 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:06 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 16):
I guess that that's FedEx's A380s

Very likely. Wonder who placed the additional aircraft to reach the 790 and make up for the cancellations.
SUPPORT THE LEBANESE CIVILIANS
 
astuteman
Posts: 6341
Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:50 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:14 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 18):
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 16):
I guess that that's FedEx's A380s

Very likely. Wonder who placed the additional aircraft to reach the 790 and make up for the cancellations.

FEDEX?  Smile

Regards
 
n1786b
Posts: 384
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:10 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:21 pm

Quoting N1786b (Reply 13):
824 gross
790 net
-----------
@75.1 billion at list prices - 40% of market share at list prices



Quoting Aviator27 (Reply 17):
Except nobody buys airplanes at list prices which makes that comparison almost meaningless.

Of course they don't - however, those are Airbus's words not mine.

- n1786b
 
astuteman
Posts: 6341
Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:50 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:27 pm

Quoting Aviator27 (Reply 17):
Except nobody buys airplanes at list prices which makes that comparison almost meaningless

It certainly makes the number meaningless - the comparison shouldn't necessarily be too far away, though, assuming that the discounts are similar across both ranges...

Regards
 
UA777300ER
Posts: 94
Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:15 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:40 pm

Did John Leahy just slip and mentioned that Lufthansa is to order extra A380's? He said that airlines stayed with the A380 and that several have even ordered more of them. He gave Lufthansa as an example, then realized his mistake and said something I couldn't understand and went on to mention SQ and QF.
 
manni
Posts: 4049
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2001 1:48 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:43 pm

For the WB's,

It seems Airbus sold 119 A330/340 aircraft last year (Mr. Leahy mentioned that number), they had already 17 A380s and atleast 15 A330s, for a total of atleast a gross 152 WB aircraft.
SUPPORT THE LEBANESE CIVILIANS
 
leelaw
Posts: 4520
Joined: Sat May 29, 2004 4:13 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:51 pm

Quoting UA777300ER (Reply 23):
Did John Leahy just slip and mentioned that Lufthansa is to order extra A380's? He said that airlines stayed with the A380 and that several have even ordered more of them. He gave Lufthansa as an example, then realized his mistake and said something I couldn't understand and went on to mention SQ and QF.

I noticed the same thing. Hopefully it was truly a "Freudian slip" and not merely a sign of general confusion.

[Edited 2007-01-17 11:52:58]
Lex Ancilla Justitiae
 
2wingtips
Posts: 487
Joined: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:42 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:52 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 14):
backlog of 2533 aircraft. 51% of all aircraft in backlog over 100 seats.

Be interesting to see the backlog figures for NBs v WBs. I assume Boeing will have a far greater WB backlog, due to 450+ 787 orders.
 
UA777300ER
Posts: 94
Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:15 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:56 pm

A350 rough figure for development cost: EUR 10 billion. I was, however, not able to add up all the costs for the A380. He did answer that question with a lot of confusion

[Edited 2007-01-17 11:56:50]
 
manni
Posts: 4049
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2001 1:48 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:59 pm

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 26):
Be interesting to see the backlog figures for NBs v WBs. I assume Boeing will have a far greater WB backlog, due to 450+ 787 orders.

I dont know for Boeing, but for Airbus it is about 580 WB aircraft in backlog.

Boeing has 448 787s and 74 748s in backlog. Dont know about the 767, 777 and 744 programs. I'm sure you can look it up.
SUPPORT THE LEBANESE CIVILIANS
 
zvezda
Posts: 8891
Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:48 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:06 pm

Quoting UA777300ER (Reply 26):
I was, however, not able to add up all the costs for the A380. He did answer that question with a lot of confusion

This figures were 12B + 1.5B + 5B euro if I recall correctly, however, he warned that the numbers are a confusing mix of various things and tried to blame the confusion on the way the question was asked when in fact Airbus have been providing obfuscatory figures.
 
DAL767400ER
Posts: 5084
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:47 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:07 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 27):
Boeing has 448 787s and 74 748s in backlog. Dont know about the 767, 777 and 744 programs. I'm sure you can look it up.

Per Boeing's numbers "through December", the backlogs stand at 28 767s, 299 777s, and 38 744s, for a total of 365 planes. Combined with the 787 and 748, that's a total of 887 widebodies in backlog.
 
brilondon
Posts: 3018
Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:56 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:11 pm

Are we surprised at these results? They will do much better once they have the A380 in service and not giving deals to gain orders will increse profitability. In a real business the results would have been disasterous and people would be looking for work.  biggrin 
Rush for ever; Yankees all the way!!
 
manni
Posts: 4049
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2001 1:48 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:15 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 23):
It seems Airbus sold 119 A330/340 aircraft last year (Mr. Leahy mentioned that number), they had already 17 A380s and atleast 15 A330s, for a total of atleast a gross 152 WB aircraft.

A small correction 119 + 15 + 17 isn't 152 but 151.

Now confirmed on the EADS site,

------------------------------------------------------

With 824 new gross orders, Airbus achieved its second best year in terms of sales. These orders make up for 44 per cent of the market, and include 673 Single Aisles, 134 A330s, A340s and A350s as well as 17 A380s. Net order intake stand at 790, making a 43 per cent share. Valued at US $ 75.1 billion at catalogue prices, the gross orders make for 40 percent of the total transaction values.

---------------------------------------------------------

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 29):
Per Boeing's numbers "through December", the backlogs stand at 28 767s, 299 777s, and 38 744s, for a total of 365 planes. Combined with the 787 and 748, that's a total of 887 widebodies in backlog.

There you have it! Nice job. 2Wingtips question is answered now.
SUPPORT THE LEBANESE CIVILIANS
 
astuteman
Posts: 6341
Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:50 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:33 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 31):
There you have it! Nice job. 2Wingtips question is answered now.

Check for understanding:-

Airbus Backlog
Narrowbody 1953
Widebody 580
Total 2533

Boeing Backlog
Narrowbody c1563?
Widebody 887
Total c2450?

Anyone able to confirm the 737 backlog?

Regards
 
Lumberton
Posts: 4176
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:34 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:38 pm

737 backlog is 1560 from their website.
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...pageid=m25066&RequestTimeout=20000
Select "standard reports" on the left and "Unfilled Orders".

[Edited 2007-01-17 12:38:59]
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
 
WINGS
Posts: 2312
Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 1:36 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:53 pm

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 32):
Check for understanding:-

Airbus Backlog
Narrowbody 1953
Widebody 580
Total 2533

Just one quick observation Astuteman. Last week Airbus booked an additional 50 x A32X's for Air Asia. If we add those to the 1953 you quoted then Airbus has a backlog of 2003 firm orders for the A32X.

In regards to overall totals, Airbus now has 2,583 firm orders in their backlog. A very impressive number.

Regards,
Wings
Aviation Is A Passion.
 
astuteman
Posts: 6341
Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:50 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:02 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 34):
In regards to overall totals, Airbus now has 2,583 firm orders in their backlog. A very impressive number.

And between Airbus and Boeing, their collective backlog stands at 5000 frames undelivered.
Does anyone else think that's extraordinary?  biggrin 

(And delivery rates projected to RISE to c900 next year - that's what I call backlog  Smile )

Regards
 
leelaw
Posts: 4520
Joined: Sat May 29, 2004 4:13 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:04 pm

EADS Press Release:

Quote:
Airbus 2006 results
17 January 2007


While work on the completion of the financial results is still ongoing, it is estimated that Airbus will probably deliver a negative EBIT contribution for the full year of 2006, as EADS announced today.

Nevertheless, in 2006, Airbus continued to increase its deliveries to the highest level ever, while achieving its second best year ever in terms of sales numbers.

Airbus delivered 434 aircraft, leading to a turnover estimated at approx. 26 billion Euros. The 2006 deliveries include 339 Single Aisle Family aircraft, nine A300 Freighters and 86 wide-body long range airliners. Total deliveries now stand at 4,564 aircraft.

With 824 new gross orders, Airbus achieved its second best year in terms of sales. These orders make up for 44 per cent of the market, and include 673 Single Aisles, 134 A330s, A340s and A350s as well as 17 A380s. Net order intake stand at 790, making a 43 per cent share. Valued at US $ 75.1 billion at catalogue prices, the gross orders make for 40 percent of the total transaction values.

At the end of 2006, Airbus has a total of 2,533 aircraft on order still to be delivered, making for 51per cent of the backlog of aircraft above 100 seats. This is 17 per cent above the record backlog of last year and represents, at current very high production rates, five years of production. This is the highest backlog in the entire history of Airbus and of the aviation industry.

The technical development of the A380 programme has gone very well, leading to the joint EASA and FAA type certification of the all-new double deck A380 in December. This is a testimony to its technical integrity, despite the industrial issues that led to the delays in the A380 deliveries.

In 2006, Airbus also received the go-ahead for the industrial launch for its brand new 270-350 seat long range A350XWB Family, of which the first member is due to enter service in 2013. And it began offering customers a new wide-body freighter, the A330-200F.

“Our financial estimate is a consequence of our 2006 turbulences – in particular reflecting the effect of the A380 delay. We are also taking into account the launch of the A350 XWB and the financial impact of Power 8, which we originally expected for 2007,” says Airbus President and CEO Louis Gallois. “Clearly we are cleaning the grounds and preparing for a new Airbus.”

The turbulences of 2006 and in particular the ever weaker US dollar require Airbus to make a major effort. Airbus will now begin implementing the new competitiveness programme called Power 8. This programme looks at all aspects of the company to make it leaner, more integrated, more efficient and more productive. “Power8 is the condition to ensure our success and profitability in the future, and that we shall be able to serve our customers even better”, he added.

http://www.eads.com/1024/en/pressdb/...Releases/20070117_airbus_2006.html
Lex Ancilla Justitiae
 
manni
Posts: 4049
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2001 1:48 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:15 pm

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 35):
And between Airbus and Boeing, their collective backlog stands at 5000 frames undelivered.
Does anyone else think that's extraordinary?

That's extrodinary. 5000 aircraft is more aircraft then Airbus delivered since her creation in 1970!

BTW, With about 440 deliveries expected in 2007 for Airbus, at the end of the year the 5000th Airbus aircraft could be build.
SUPPORT THE LEBANESE CIVILIANS
 
WINGS
Posts: 2312
Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 1:36 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:36 pm

The list is now available on the Airbus website.

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre/

Qantas 4x A332, 8x A388
Lufthansa 7x A346
AerCap 20x A332
Undisclosed 5x A320
MEA 4x A319, 4x A332
AirBlue 4x A320
VIP 1x A319
VIP 1x A319
InterJet 10x A320
SilkAir 4x A319, 7x A320
Singapore Airlines 19x A333, 9x A388
S.A.L.E 20x A320
Pegasus 6x A332, 2x A358
Group Marsans 12x A332
Undisclosed 3x A319, 7x A320, 5x A332
Undisclosed 9x A319, 18x A320*

Note:

1* The UFO for 9x A319, 18x A320, is for a new customer for Airbus.
2* The UFO for 3x A319, 7x A320, 5x A332 is from an existing Airbus customer.

If I had to pick which airline ordered the Nº2, I would go with Tap Portugal, while for the first I have no idea.

Regards,
Wings

[Edited 2007-01-17 13:51:07]
Aviation Is A Passion.
 
leelaw
Posts: 4520
Joined: Sat May 29, 2004 4:13 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:44 pm

Interestingly the updated Excel spreadsheet shows SQ as being the "ordering customer" of the 19 A330s SQ intends to lease on relatively short-term operating leases directly from Airbus. How does Airbus "sell" aircraft to SQ in which it will ultimately retain ownership as a lessor? It certainly seems inconsistent with how Airbus accounts for orders made by other lessors on the same spreadsheet.
Lex Ancilla Justitiae
 
scouseflyer
Posts: 2165
Joined: Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:02 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:48 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 38):
Undisclosed 3x A319, 7x A320, 5x A332

Interesting who would be orderring narrows and wides, the Pegasus XWBs are confirmed as A358s and 2007 looks like it's off to a flyer: the Air Asia 50 x A320s, all those frieghters and the Interjet A320s.
 
Danny
Posts: 3714
Joined: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:44 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 39):
Interestingly the updated Excel spreadsheet shows SQ as being the "ordering customer" of the 19 A330s SQ intends to lease on relatively short-term operating leases directly from Airbus. How does Airbus "sell" aircraft to SQ in which it will ultimately retain ownership as a lessor?

We don't know what the agreement details are.
 
JayinKitsap
Posts: 627
Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:55 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:53 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 39):
Interestingly the updated Excel spreadsheet shows SQ as being the "ordering customer" of the 19 A330s SQ intends to lease on relatively short-term operating leases directly from Airbus. How does Airbus "sell" aircraft to SQ in which it will ultimately retain ownership as a lessor? It certainly seems inconsistent with how Airbus accounts for orders made by other lessors on the same spreadsheet.

It could have been structured as a sale with a garrenteed buyback price with a third party lendor doing the financing.
 
Reggaebird
Posts: 886
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 1999 7:43 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:54 pm

OK, so filtering through all of the information here, can anyone tell me how the "aged" 737NG did against the "modern" A32X in 2006? Seemed to me that the Boeings still had some sales life in them.

Reggaebird
 
WINGS
Posts: 2312
Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 1:36 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:59 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 38):
Undisclosed 3x A319, 7x A320, 5x A332
Undisclosed 9x A319, 18x A320*

Note:

1* The UFO for 9x A319, 18x A320, is for a new customer for Airbus.
2* The UFO for 3x A319, 7x A320, 5x A332 is from an existing Airbus customer.

If I had to pick which airline ordered the Nº2, I would go with Tap Portugal, while for the first I have no idea.

Could it be Avianca that is the new Airbus customer? An order for 27 A32X would be right about the same number to replace their current MD80/B757 fleet.

Regards,
Wings
Aviation Is A Passion.
 
leelaw
Posts: 4520
Joined: Sat May 29, 2004 4:13 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:08 pm

Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 42):
It could have been structured as a sale with a garrenteed buyback price with a third party lendor doing the financing.

That's not how SQ has characterized the mechanics of the transaction:

Quote:
To fill the Airline’s capacity requirements on an interim basis until the delivery of new aircraft ordered from the two manufacturers, Singapore Airlines will enter into a lease arrangement with Airbus for 19 A330-300 aircraft for delivery from early 2009 until late 2010.

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U...any_info/press_release/NE_3406.jsp
Lex Ancilla Justitiae
 
baroque
Posts: 12302
Joined: Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:15 pm

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:12 pm

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 35):
Does anyone else think that's extraordinary?

5000 is truly amazing if not something more like an utterance from, say, Fred Trueman or Billy Connolly. The last of these will trundle into the air when about 2013, and with a 20 year life, you have to wonder what they will be using for fuel in 2033.

And probably all those calculations will look fairly tame after 2007, assuming 2005 and 2006 are any indication.

Looking at the more immediate future, with that backlog, are there still Jonahs in relation to the future of Airbus. With its highest ever production and its highest ever backlog, surely Airbus can manage the A380 problems??  boggled 
 
Danny
Posts: 3714
Joined: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:44 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:29 pm

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 43):
OK, so filtering through all of the information here, can anyone tell me how the "aged" 737NG did against the "modern" A32X in 2006? Seemed to me that the Boeings still had some sales life in them.

Demand for narrow-bodies currently exceeds supply so both manufacturers basically sell everything they able to manufacture. Airlines are often forced to take whatever is available rather than what they would prefer.
 
manni
Posts: 4049
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2001 1:48 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 43):
can anyone tell me how the "aged" 737NG did against the "modern" A32X in 2006?

729 for Boeing against 649 for Airbus I think.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 38):
1* The UFO for 9x A319, 18x A320, is for a new customer for Airbus.

A new airline or an airline replacing their 737s perhaps?

That's quiet a few undisclosed orders this time, doesn't happen to often at Airbus.
SUPPORT THE LEBANESE CIVILIANS
 
Lumberton
Posts: 4176
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:34 am

RE: Official: Airbus 2006 Order Results

Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:45 pm

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 43):
can anyone tell me how the "aged" 737NG did against the "modern" A32X in 2006? Seemed to me that the Boeings still had some sales life in them.

Airbus reported gross 673 narrow body sales. Not sure what the cancellations were or I'd provide the net figure.
Boeing reported 729 net orders for the "aged, inferior, and decrepit" 737NG.  Wink So, yes, I'd agree there's still some life in the old girl yet!
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: aflyingkiwi, AsiaTravel, Baidu [Spider], barney captain, Blankbarcode, EIA359, flyingclrs727, fr8mech, karungguni, Leej, Miami, rhuns, Someone83, TP777, withak and 199 guests