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MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:54 am

The lead article in today's Minneapolis Star Tribune says Runway 12R/30L will be closed for reconstruction between August and November.

The reconstruction will result in takeoffs on the 35 direction of brand new runway 17/35, and landings in the 17 direction. There will also be more takeoffs and landings over St Paul on 4/22.

The full article can be read here:

http://www.startribune.com/462/story/938487.html

The same pattern will be repeated next summer when 12L/30R will be rebuilt.

I'm sure the airlines are not going to like the loooooong taxi from the gates to the threshhold of Runway 35 for takeoff!
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RE: MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:03 am

I grew up under the approach to rwy 4,miss the airlines and airplanes of the 60's and 70's. Would love to do this approach just to see the old 'hood from the air.
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RE: MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:08 am

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In Highland Park, James Janssen already is bracing for a noisy summer. He said his home sits on high ground, directly below the approach path. "You can smell the jet fuel," he said of the planes that now swoop over his house. "It is loud. They are right on my roof.

The noise is at its worst at night, he said, when late-arriving cargo planes rumble into the airport. He said he has complained to the Airports Commission as late as 2 a.m. "That is when we lose it," he said. "It wakes up the little children on the block."

I've never understood how people who choose to live close to the airport get upset when they hear airplane noise - in the vast majority of cases, the airport was there first! How could you not know what you were in for?
 
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RE: MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting JSquared (Reply 2):
I've never understood how people who choose to live close to the airport get upset when they hear airplane noise - in the vast majority of cases, the airport was there first! How could you not know what you were in for?

There is a variety of reasons why people live so close to the airport. First the resident might have been living in that same house for 30 to 40 years or more when the daily airport activity was no more then maybe one flight an hour, now it is flight after flight after flight.

If they are a new home owner, realtors have tricks to get people to think the noise is not that bad, such as showing the house during a slow time at the airport (ex. Sunday afternoons). Also the problem is that developers see any unused land and think (especially during housing booms) to develop residential communities and city and county officials are going to let the developments happen because the tax income is too great to ignore, even though the airport does everything in its power to stop it.

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RE: MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:14 am

Quoting Dc-9-10 (Reply 3):
Also the problem is that developers see any unused land and think (especially during housing booms) to develop residential communities and city and county officials are going to let the developments happen because the tax income is too great to ignore, even though the airport does everything in its power to stop it.

One of the things LAS did was to have the DOA buy the land as noise mitigation. Sometimes they'd have it rezone it commercial or industrial and then sell it back. Of course this lead to problems because their apprasier got in trouble for undervaluing parcels of land during the boom of 2004. Then the people who got hold of the land tried to have it zoned back to something more profitable.
 
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RE: MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:18 am

The good news is that the DC-10s are gone, and that the DC-9s are going away. I live in the opposite direction of highland park, but still in the path of the runway, some miles out (probably about 10 miles), and the DC-9s are usually the only ones we really hear very loudly at all.

I'm glad the work is getting underway, and while i love the planes landing parallel to the interstate, and this is the easiest runway to spot for (well, either of the 12/30 runways), it'll be nice.

As for the added taxi time, MSP is a very prompt airport, I'm sure it won't cause too much trouble, and let's be honest, it's not as bad as SAN or PHL can be for taxi times.
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RE: MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting Dc-9-10 (Reply 3):
developers see any unused land and think (especially during housing booms) to develop residential communities and city and county officials are going to let the developments happen because the tax income is too great to ignore, even though the airport does everything in its power to stop it.

I think it was really smart of Eagan to develop much of the land under the approach paths to the 30s southeast of the airport as warehouse / industrial space. If you're going to have development next to an airport, that's the ideal kind.

There would be a lot fewer NIMBYs ruining things if more cities had done what Eagan did.....
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RE: MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:06 am

The section they're replacing was laid in 1960. I didn't realize it was that old.

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RE: MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:59 am

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RE: MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting Dc-9-10 (Reply 3):
There is a variety of reasons why people live so close to the airport.

A big reason is that it is cheap because it is near a noisy airport. Mr. Nimby buys a cheap house near the airport, complains about the noise and tells the city council that it is hurting the property value.
 
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RE: MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:34 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):
The good news is that the DC-10s are gone, and that the DC-9s are going away

Good news? Are you kidding me? That's all tragic!  smile 
 
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RE: MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:09 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):
The good news is that the DC-10s are gone, and that the DC-9s are going away.

As for the DC-9s...I don't believe you. There would be at least five related threads in civ-av if the Diesel Nines were going anywhere in the near future.  Wink
 
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RE: MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:29 pm

For those of us who live close to a major airport, noise can certainly be an issue. But here in ATL, at least, the airport was here FIRST!

However, I chose to accept that issue for the convience of easy access, what with the horrible traffic issues here in metro Atlanta. A daily (and nightly) nightmare!

That being said, after so many years of enduring the noisy blasts of hundreds of JT-8's every day and night things have improved here. Yeah, I miss the old birds, but the newer ones are sooo much more quiet.

I would imagine the folks at MSP would agree, even the supposed "hush-kitting" of those JT-8's hasn't done much.
Would hate to be too close to a line up of '9's waiting to take off!

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RE: MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 12):
I would imagine the folks at MSP would agree, even the supposed "hush-kitting" of those JT-8's hasn't done much.
Would hate to be too close to a line up of '9's waiting to take off!

I thought the DC-9s were loud until I heard one of Champion's 727s overhead... now THAT is one noisy aircraft!
 
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RE: MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:42 am

Quoting JSquared (Reply 13):
I thought the DC-9s were loud until I heard one of Champion's 727s overhead... now THAT is one noisy aircraft!

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RE: MSP Runway Rebuilding Means Landings On 17!

Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:49 pm

In the summer many times a 747 will takeoff on runway 4/22 towards Bloomington. At first its silent, then a 747 is screaming over my house. I don't mind the noise. I would like to have 4/22 be used more.
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