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United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:34 am

Just back from Victorville and two United 747-400's are still in storage there--could not see their regs. Are either of these going to return to United---perhaps for the newly awarded China service to start on March 21st?
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:40 am

I hope so it depends on the lessor and whether they will deal with United again. I would love to see as many 400's as possible flying for United.
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:41 am

Technically those aren't UA planes, they are just painted in UA colors  Wink
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:59 am

UA has said it can make IAD-PEK work using its existing fleet. 747 routes will be downgraded to 777s. Rotations will be tweaked. The March-April schedules will be interesting to see once everything is finalized. IAD-FCO 777 service starts in April, too, so they'll be making adjustments to route that aircraft as well.
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:01 am

N179UA was ferried to China last week.
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting Dbba (Thread starter):
Just back from Victorville and two United 747-400's are still in storage there--could not see their regs. Are either of these going to return to United---perhaps for the newly awarded China service to start on March 21st?

I was out there in December. This one is N185UA. It looks like it has been there a while. There is a photo in the database in November, 2003 at VCV.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f254/tolaviator/IMG_2711-1.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f254/tolaviator/IMG_2709.jpg

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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:48 am

There were two there on Saturday the 13th. Does anyone know the regs of the two that I saw? Was N179UA ferrried to China before or after the 13th?
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:54 am

N179UA is shown as "active" with UAL on ATDB.org
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:25 am

If N179UA is ferried to Beijing, does that mean it is going through D-Check with Beijing AMCO (JV maintenance facility owned by Air China and LH) who signed service contract with UA over a year ago?
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:35 am

FlightAware shows N192UA leaving VCV last Friday 1/12/07 for Gimhae Int'l airport code KPK or RKPK. I have no clue where that is though.
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:36 am

A couple of months ago there was talk on this board of AI leasing couple of the 747-400s stored at Victorville.


Link:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/3095214

[Edited 2007-01-17 20:40:39]
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 9):
FlightAware shows N192UA leaving VCV last Friday 1/12/07 for Gimhae Int'l airport code KPK or RKPK. I have no clue where that is though.

That's in Korea.
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:59 am

I wonder how long commercial aircraft can remain parked out in the hot desert sun and still maintain their original state of usability. I'm aware that there are many aircraft, both civilian and military, that are stored in the desert, whose arid condition is seen as beneficial, but still, the high heat of the desert must have some effect on these aircraft over time.

Not that aluminum would melt or anything, but surely there could be some deterioration of plastic fittings in the interior, perhaps. I would imagine that the interiors of these aircraft could rise to 150 degrees or more during summer.

Those photographs are beautiful. The 747-400 is a magnificent machine.

[Edited 2007-01-17 23:02:54]
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:16 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 12):
I wonder how long commercial aircraft can remain parked out in the hot desert sun and still maintain their original state of usability. I'm aware that there are many aircraft, both civilian and military, that are stored in the desert, whose arid condition is seen as beneficial, but still, the high heat of the desert must have some effect on these aircraft over time.

It does. Paint jobs take a beating, and seals and rubber components wear out pretty quick in a hot dry climate. Sand works its way into engines, lubricated moving parts, and the pitot/static system (even when they are covered  Wink ). Last but not least, the desert sun has this way of making plexiglas crack and craze when you don't protect the windows...You should have seen the World War II PV-2 Harpoon that I saw revived at LRU after 20 years of desert storage...it took them a couple of months burning the midnight oil to get her airworthy again.

But I guess it's preferable to letting moisture cause corrosion of metal parts  Wink Wonder where we'll see Dreamliners parked for storage when their time comes.
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 12):
Not that aluminum would melt or anything, but surely there could be some deterioration of plastic fittings in the interior, perhaps. I would imagine that the interiors of these aircraft could rise to 150 degrees or more during summer.

I believe they open the doors to the aircraft on hotter days.

As far as the aluminum, it's eerie how long it lasts. I've been to crash locations out in the desert and seen bits and bobs just sitting on the surface -- no buried in, and not looking like they've been there six months, much less 40 years.

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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:26 am

Thanks, KELPkid; your comments are very helpful.

I would think that Dreamliners wouldn't necessarily have to be parked for a long time, or at least not long enough so that there would be any appreciable deterioriation. I am virtually certain that Boeing will do all that is necessary to store them where necessary in such a way that they are delivered in completely pristine condition to whoever ordered them.

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 14):
I believe they open the doors to the aircraft on hotter days.

I did not know that; that would certain help alleviate the heat that would otherwise build up inside, it seems to me.

[Edited 2007-01-17 23:28:29]
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:02 pm

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 11):
Quoting DTW757 (Reply 9):
FlightAware shows N192UA leaving VCV last Friday 1/12/07 for Gimhae Int'l airport code KPK or RKPK. I have no clue where that is though.

That's in Korea.

Thanks. Any idea what they will do to the airplane there?

When I was at VCV in December there were actually 3 United 747's parked there that I know of. These 2 were in the front and I am guessing that one of them is N192UA being readied for the above mentioned flight. Just a guess though.

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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:14 pm

http://www.worldair.com/news/20051212.html

"The three 747-400SF aircraft, to be leased under seven-year terms, were formerly operated by United Airlines as passenger aircraft. "
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:12 pm

What road did you go down to get those UA shots ? Are they scrapping any planes over by the 'mound' ? I was out there in July and there was nothing there other than the Tower skins draped over the tractor trailers . Is the Tower tail still over there ? I got some great shots of the interior ,still had the aft toilette installed. There was also a UA 762 over by the empty housing units.

I wonder why they don't 'spray-lat' the windows like they do @ DMA ?

[Edited 2007-01-19 15:32:58]
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:18 am

Quoting United_fan (Reply 18):
What road did you go down to get those UA shots ? Are they scrapping any planes over by the 'mound' ? I was out there in July and there was nothing there other than the Tower skins draped over the tractor trailers . Is the Tower tail still over there ?

These two United 747's picture here are near the tower hanger area of the field. The one pictured above is clear out in the north side of the field which I took some dirt roads to get to. I saw the Tower tail as well that you mentioned and it is still there well at least of December 10.

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 17):
"The three 747-400SF aircraft, to be leased under seven-year terms, were formerly operated by United Airlines as passenger aircraft. "

Sad to see them leaving the United fleet for cargo use but at least they are going to be put into use.
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:28 am

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 9):
FlightAware shows N192UA leaving VCV last Friday 1/12/07 for Gimhae Int'l airport code KPK or RKPK. I have no clue where that is though.

Well, that would appear to mean that it's getting a C-check or D-check at Korean Air's Maintenance division, which has a 5-year contract to perform heavy maintenance on United's 27 Boeing 747-400s. Its Gimhae plant in Busan was, at least initially, where the work is done.

Source: http://www.asiatraveltips.com/news05/197-Maintenance.shtml
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:27 am

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 14):
I believe they open the doors to the aircraft on hotter days.

When I was out there the UA 744 had the door seam taped shut.
learned that the hard way, I was inside and decided a little fresh air would be nice and opened one up. Felt kind of stuck, oh well it had been shut for a while. Then it popped open fine, with tape hanging from the edges. Oopsie!

Quoting United_fan (Reply 18):
I wonder why they don't 'spray-lat' the windows like they do @ DMA ?

Some get some foil-like stuff taped over all the windows.

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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:01 am

Quoting Tod (Reply 21):
When I was out there the UA 744 had the door seam taped shut.
learned that the hard way, I was inside and decided a little fresh air would be nice and opened one up. Felt kind of stuck, oh well it had been shut for a while. Then it popped open fine, with tape hanging from the edges. Oopsie!

What were you doing inside?
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 12):
I wonder how long commercial aircraft can remain parked out in the hot desert sun and still maintain their original state of usability. I'm aware that there are many aircraft, both civilian and military, that are stored in the desert, whose arid condition is seen as beneficial, but still, the high heat of the desert must have some effect on these aircraft over time.

My question is about the wiring -- deteriorated wiring was said to be the cause of the TWA Flight 800 air crash. Over time sitting in the heat, I imagine the wiring sheathing would deteriorate. Of course, I imagine flying a plane at minus forty degrees farenheit at 35,000 feet could also cause the wiring outside the cabin enclosure to become brittle.

I also read someplace that it is virtually impossible to replace all the wiring of an aircraft once it is built as the plane would have to be almost entirely disassembled in order to do so.

Anyways, how long does all that wiring last?
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 22):
What were you doing inside?

Aircraft survey.
They had been modified by flight Structures Inc a couple of times since they were delivered.
I needed to double check some details before completing some reconfig engineering.

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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:56 pm

Sad to see them in the Desert. Hope they see the skies soon.
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:57 am

Thanks for the info! VCV is an odd place,for sure. I've often wanted to drive down those dirt roads,but I was scared I'de get the rental stuck  Smile
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:50 am

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 26):
Thanks for the info! VCV is an odd place,for sure. I've often wanted to drive down those dirt roads,but I was scared I'de get the rental stuck

I wouldn't try it after some heavy rains but the roads are pretty solid if it is dry. I had a Chevrolet Impala as a rental and didn't have any problem.
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:03 am

I've driven down some of those dirt roads in the High Desert; some of them are literally "washboard" in texture. I wouldn't use my personal car if I could help it, either.
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:15 pm

United quite often ferry a 744 into HKG from Pusan in Korea after maintenance and then ferry one from Hong Kong back up there. They use HKG as a swapping point.
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:57 pm

I was on one in Nov from HKG that had just done that swap.
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:25 pm

FYI, the 2 remaining "United" 744's are 106UA and 185UA. How they are stored, as in what is done to them is dependent upon the storage program that they are under. This is determined by the owner or user. What is covered, with what, is the aircraft ventilated, if so, at what temperature? All dictated by the storage cards.

If you see the aicraft on the ramp at VCV, they have come recently and not yet made it to the desert, or are coming out of the desert for inspection/survey-review/or reactivation. The UAL 744's are being reactivated. I don't know for whom.

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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:04 am

IS there any good places to see the stored aircrafts in Victorville?

I would not want to restricted area.

Do they give any airport tours?
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 32):
IS there any good places to see the stored aircrafts in Victorville?

I would not want to restricted area.

Do they give any airport tours?

The roads around VCV are public roads, not the best public roads but they are public. There are no signs stating that it is a restricted area. As far as tours I have heard they do not give them but can't say for sure.
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:06 am

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 33):
Quoting Planetime (Reply 32):
IS there any good places to see the stored aircrafts in Victorville?

I would not want to restricted area.

Do they give any airport tours?

The roads around VCV are public roads, not the best public roads but they are public. There are no signs stating that it is a restricted area. As far as tours I have heard they do not give them but can't say for sure.


Just be warned that the road that leads to the 'mound' is not in the best neighborhood. When I was there in July,there was nothing at all over there getting scrapped !
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:41 am

It is my understanding that there are now no United 744's left in Victorville, last left this week.
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:02 pm

Yes, 192UA left, leaving 106UA (the next one to leave) and 185UA. I removed and replaced a MLG wheel this morning from 185, so I am fairly sure she's still at VCV. Don't take offense, I work at VCV, and what I say is true.

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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 33):
Just be warned that the road that leads to the 'mound' is not in the best neighborhood. When I was there in July,there was nothing at all over there getting scrapped !



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 34):
Just be warned that the road that leads to the 'mound' is not in the best neighborhood. When I was there in July,there was nothing at all over there getting scrapped !

Thanks All!
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:01 pm

So when N185UA leaves VCV there will be no more current/former UA 744's left in storage at that location??

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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:25 pm

That is correct. However, N185UA faces many issues (parts) that could delay her departure for a long while. N106UA had successful engine runs today, is getting a gear swing tomorrow, and will leave soon.

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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:10 pm

Quoting IFIXCF6 (Reply 39):
N106UA had successful engine runs today, is getting a gear swing tomorrow, and will leave soon.

Reported on Indian Aviation thread, N106UA is on it way to AI.

Here is the link:

Indian Aviation Thread:Part 43
 
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RE: United 747-400's At Victorville

Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:13 am

Quoting Manny (Reply 40):
Reported on Indian Aviation thread, N106UA is on it way to AI.

It went on Friday.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N106UA
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