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Airbus Says UK May Not Get Some Work On A350

Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:13 am

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A senior Airbus executive said Wednesday it is not a foregone conclusion that the commercial aircraft builder will give work on key components for its future A350 XWB airliner to factories in the U.K.

Asked whether Airbus factories in the U.K. that have been building wings for other Airbus aircraft might see their workload diminished, Airbus' executive vice-president for programs, Tom Williams, said this would be a possibility.

"I think it's a risk, for sure. It's certainly not a foregone conclusion," Williams said.

But Williams stressed that, if the company were to make such a decision, it would do so solely on industrial considerations. "It's not a bargaining chip with the U.K. government," he said.

Williams noted that Airbus's U.K. plants don't have a lot of expertise in the design and manufacture of primary load-bearing structures made of high-tech composite materials.

Williams noted that the wing skins for the Airbus A400M military cargo plane that is under development are being made at Stade, Germany.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...117-710870.html?mod=moj_industries

[Edited 2007-01-17 21:15:12]
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RE: Airbus Says UK May Not Get Some Work On A350

Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Thread starter):
Williams noted that Airbus's U.K. plants don't have a lot of expertise in the design and manufacture of primary load-bearing structures made of high-tech composite materials.

Williams noted that the wing skins for the Airbus A400M military cargo plane that is under development are being made at Stade, Germany.

Whats a composite wing if its not a primary load-bearing structure?!

Yes, the A400M wing skins are made in Germany, but the wing itself (nearly 100% composite) is manufactured here in the UK at Filton, where there is also an Airbus advanced materials research lab.

Somethings fishy here...
 
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RE: Airbus Says UK May Not Get Some Work On A350

Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:33 am

sounds fishy to me, i have to wonder if politics played a role in this, with all the turmoil of that kind of late, perhaps germany wanted more, in exchange for various investments made on different levels there, or if this is somehow connected to the BAe sellout of their airbus stake?
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RE: Airbus Says UK May Not Get Some Work On A350

Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:38 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 2):
i have to wonder if politics played a role in this, with all the turmoil of that kind of late, perhaps germany wanted more, in exchange for various investments made on different levels there, or if this is somehow connected to the BAe sellout of their airbus stake?

Personally I doubt its either politics or connected to BAe - the plants in the UK are Airbus owned, and BAe is going to the US more or less so theres no conflict of interest there.

The UK is expensive, especially so for skilled labour like this - Im guessing they just want to go elsewhere, which is fine.
 
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RE: Airbus Says UK May Not Get Some Work On A350

Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:38 am

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Airbus officials said the U.K. sites are competing fiercely for work on the A350, and though there is little risk that they will lose their status as Airbus's center of excellence for overall wing design and production, there is no reason why sub-components can't be sub-contracted out where this makes industrial and financial sense.
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RE: Airbus Says UK May Not Get Some Work On A350

Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:38 am

Wings made in Moscow? Peking?

I would find it hard to establish a price on something if I didn't know where the pieces were coming from, what they were made of, and where to ship them. Oh, by the way do we know what engines will be on the -1000.
 
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RE: Airbus Says UK May Not Get Some Work On A350

Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 5):
Oh, by the way do we know what engines will be on the -1000.

Rolls Royce are definitely supplying a Trent model for the XWB-1000, but no other engine supplier currently has come forward.
 
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RE: Airbus Says UK May Not Get Some Work On A350

Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:05 am

There's nothing really new in this quote. It's been the stated policy (internally in Airbus anyway) that nothing whatsoever is to be assumed or taken for granted in terms of long term security of manufacturing in any of the Airbus countries. I think the reason that the UK bears the brunt of this is that it would be far easier to move the Airbus UK capability elsewhere due to the weak employment law environment compared to DE and FR.

Having said that, it's a slightly stronger comment. Although it would be interesting to see the entire interview verbatim.
 
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RE: Airbus Says UK May Not Get Some Work On A350

Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:40 am

It would be nice to read as well

An Airbus France executive warned that some of France's current work might be transferred to other countries such as the UK, with it's flexible workforce and strong technological heritage. "We need to be more competitive, and can't expect French politicians to preserve our jobs at the expense of other nations."
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RE: Airbus Says UK May Not Get Some Work On A350

Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:42 am

Quoting HB88 (Reply 7):
I think the reason that the UK bears the brunt of this is that it would be far easier to move the Airbus UK capability elsewhere due to the weak employment law environment compared to DE and FR.

It would also imply that Airbus would avoid creating new jobs in DE or FR: why put more jobs into a place with stiff employment laws? I'd imagine the work would only go to DE or FR if there were a lot of underutilized workers there that could not be fired.
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RE: Airbus Says UK May Not Get Some Work On A350

Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:45 am

Quoting HB88 (Reply 7):
it would be far easier to move the Airbus UK capability elsewhere due to the weak employment law environment compared to DE and FR.

Hmmm.

What do you mean by this comment? I was blissfully unaware that there were any significant differences between the three countries in this regard.
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RE: Airbus Says UK May Not Get Some Work On A350

Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 8):
It would be nice to read as well

An Airbus France executive warned that some of France's current work might be transferred to other countries such as the UK, with it's flexible workforce and strong technological heritage. "We need to be more competitive, and can't expect French politicians to preserve our jobs at the expense of other nations."

Might as well move the jobs to the US: we have similar flexibility and technological heritage, along with weaker employment laws, lower taxes and less social obligations, and it is home of the "dollar zone"...
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