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Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:58 pm

In another blow to Airbus, AA SVP Craig Kreeger declared AA will likely not buy the much delayed A380.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...RLINES-PLANES-DC.XML&from=business

Dubai-based Emirates Airline, the biggest A380 customer, with 43 planes on order, has said it will lose hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue because of the delays. Airbus will have to take a "massive write-off" to foot the bill, Emirates President Tim Clark said this week.

Airbus, controlled by EADS (the European Aeronautics Defence and Space company), received orders for just 800 aircraft in 2006, down from 1,055 in 2005. It has had to contend with a resurgent Boeing, and a weak dollar.

Airbus is suffering from highly publicised production problems and delays with its jumbo A380 model as well as relatively weak sales of its A330/340 models and the delayed A350.

Airbus’s market share now stands at only 18% in the market for wide-body airplanes, compared to Boeing’s 82%.

http://www.thebusinessonline.com/Doc...3E97F5-7C30-4551-8B07-041B5A93E4DF

[Edited 2007-01-18 15:08:58]
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:00 pm

Hardly a shock. Was AA ever considered a serious potential customer? UA & NW however....

Not the worst news Airbus has had recently.
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:00 pm

No surprise there. I don't think AA will have anything bigger than a 350-seater in their fleet in the next 20 years. Besides, they're in bed with Boeing, so odds of them buying Airbus product are zero to none.
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:00 pm

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Airbus, controlled by EADS (the European Aeronautics Defence and Space company), received orders for just 800 aircraft in 2006

Just..............

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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:02 pm

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 3):
Just..............

Just two years worth of production won in one year... really bad. (Sarcasm off)
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:04 pm

I'm told that Delta, Continental, USAir, American, and Air Canada are all NOT going to buy the A380.

It will fail miserably. How can it possibly succeed without these blue chip major's support?

I'm selling my Airbus shares off the back of this awful news.
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:06 pm

I think Keesje's intention was to be sarcastic. I have to admit Keesje that you actually put a smile on my face with this thread.

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 3):
Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Airbus, controlled by EADS (the European Aeronautics Defence and Space company), received orders for just 800 aircraft in 2006

Just..............

I noticed that too. It's as if the both Airbus and Boeing can score 800+ orders every single year.

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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:07 pm

AA doesn't even have 773s or 747s, what would they do with A380s anyway? Besides, who knows how much longer they'll be around, profit or not. Hardly a "blow" for Airbus. They should rather focus on selling them A350s, would fit way better.
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:08 pm

Breaking news ...

"In another blow to Boeing, Southwest unlikely to buy 747-400"

 Smile
 
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:09 pm

Knowing Keesje, I think the title was ment to be sarcastic....

BTW, AA sounded really interested in the A350 on their video conference recently and when you look objectively at it, it would make much sense for them to replace their T7 fleet with the clearly superior A359/A351; the 787 could be ordered in the 783 and 788 versions to replace their 762 and 763, thus getting the best of both words.
 
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:16 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
I'm told that Delta, Continental, USAir, American, and Air Canada are all NOT going to buy the A380.

It will fail miserably. How can it possibly succeed without these blue chip major's support?

I'm selling my Airbus shares off the back of this awful news.

Hardly convincing given that none of those airlines have 747s either and that aircarft was not exactly a failure.The airlines you mention have nowhere to put the A380 to work.
 
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:18 pm

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
In another blow to Airbus, AA SVP Craig Kreeger declared AA will likely not buy the much delayed A380.

And in other news, the sun rose in the east today, and is expected to set in the west.
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:20 pm

Oh damn, I was hoping for AA to put the A380 on routes out of DAL to start their final attack on Southwest  Silly .

Quoting Thorben (Reply 7):



Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 10):

Sarcasm is obviously something not found with anybody  Wink .

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):

Good one Big grin .
 
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:53 pm

AA won't buy the 747-8 SuperJumbo either. So what? The VLA market is a small niche. There are only a handful of airlines that need anything larger than an A350-1000 or 787-11.
 
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:56 pm

Sarcasm Z-man - sarcasm!  Wink
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:59 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
I'm selling my Airbus shares off the back of this awful news.

I didnt know you can buy shares in Airbus
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:09 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):
And in other news, the sun rose in the east today, and is expected to set in the west.

It'll never happen. The whole concept was flawed from the start.  duck 
 
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:09 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 9):
it would make much sense for them to replace their T7 fleet with the clearly superior A359/A351

Now THAT'S comedy!  rotfl 
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:10 am

Quoting SimProgrammer (Reply 15):
I didnt know you can buy shares in Airbus

No, but there's always the EADS shares.

You can, however, buy into the pending EADS bond floats that are directly related to future Airbus funding.
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Bu

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:16 am

Quoting SimProgrammer (Reply 15):
I didnt know you can buy shares in Airbus

One can buy Airbus if one can find someone who owns them who is willing to sell them and can agree on a price. Right now, EADS own all the Airbus shares, but I'm sure they would sell E1B or more worth for the right price.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
Now THAT'S comedy!

How so? The A350 will be a great 777 replacement. I suspect the 787 will be a better 777 replacement, but that will depend on price.
 
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:16 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 7):
AA doesn't even have 773s or 747s, what would they do with A380s anyway? Besides, who knows how much longer they'll be around, profit or not.

You must be smokin' some of the hard stuff if you think AA is not going to be around any longer  Yeah sure

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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:21 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 19):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
Now THAT'S comedy!

How so?

It's hardly a slam-dunk to think of AA replacing a fleet of 40-plus airframes with a product that isn't very clearly defined as of yet, especially when you've got a VERY clearly defined (787) product that is arguably a better replacement (once replacement time comes around - their 777 fleet is young!) AND the fact that AA will be preoccupied with the MD-80 fleet replacement (360 frames, give or take) in the next few years.
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
In another blow to Airbus, AA SVP Craig Kreeger declared AA will likely not buy the much delayed A380.

I love the media, they lack perspective sometimes.
 
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:27 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 9):

BTW, AA sounded really interested in the A350 on their video conference recently

Sounded more of a misquote than really interested...

The 787-9 and 787-10 will be the perfect fit for AA...
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:28 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 21):
It's hardly a slam-dunk to think of AA replacing a fleet of 40-plus airframes with a product that isn't very clearly defined as of yet, especially when you've got a VERY clearly defined (787) product that is arguably a better replacement.

Well, SQ doesn't seem to think it is such a silly idea to split the order.

But who cares, they are only the world's most highly respected airline.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:30 am

isn't it lovely when the silly seasons starts; obviously the head of AA hadn't got any real news to tell the reporter, so he came up with the obvious instead

Whats next ? In an interview with Reuters Willie Walsh confirmed that he wasn't applying to join BASSA
 
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Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:30 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 24):
But who cares, they are only the world's most highly respected airline.

Refresh my memory...how are those A345s working out for them?  sarcastic 
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Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:31 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 24):
SQ doesn't seem to think it is such a silly idea to split the order.

But who cares, they are only the world's most highly respected airline.

SQ have yet to split the order. They are still negotiating with both Airbus and Boeing.
 
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Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:31 am

Daaaaa, and in a blow to Boeing they would not buy the 747-8I.
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 19):
How so? The A350 will be a great 777 replacement. I suspect the 787 will be a better 777 replacement, but that will depend on price.

I think that EADS would kill any potential buyer on the price:earnings ratio of those shares. EADS knows that it wasn't very long ago that they had a thorn in their side in the form of BAE's Airbus stake, which meant that they had to answer to someone else for major decisions.
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Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:36 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 7):
Besides, who knows how much longer they'll [American Airlines] be around, profit or not.

 Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 24):
But who cares, they are only the world's most highly respected airline

According to whom, exactly?

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 24):
Well, SQ doesn't seem to think it is such a silly idea to split the order.

SQ has an LOI. They are not a firm A350 customer. Far stranger things have happened in the last twenty years than for SQ to cancel an LOI.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 9):
BTW, AA sounded really interested in the A350 on their video conference recently and when you look objectively at it, it would make much sense for them to replace their T7 fleet with the clearly superior A359/A351

Well, someone's delusional..
 
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:38 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
I'm told that Delta, Continental, USAir, American, and Air Canada are all NOT going to buy the A380.

It will fail miserably. How can it possibly succeed without these blue chip major's support?

I'm selling my Airbus shares off the back of this awful news.

I blame Airbus for their lack of transparency when publishing orders on their website. Why didn't they say that AA and the other airlines you mention would not buy the 380?

I am firing off an email to them as I write
 
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Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:38 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 26):
Refresh my memory...how are those A345s working out for them? sarcastic

Have not heard anything negative yet.
I find it interesting that an AA manager says that they are interested in the A350. Even if they won´t place an order it sure is an improvement of their relations with Airbus after the crash of flight 587.
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:45 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 30):
Quoting Slz396 (Reply 9):
BTW, AA sounded really interested in the A350 on their video conference recently and when you look objectively at it, it would make much sense for them to replace their T7 fleet with the clearly superior A359/A351

Well, someone's delusional..

Delusional in that AA are interested in the A350, perhaps. Delusional in the oinion that the A350 will be a superior plane to the 777, well its hard to argue with that.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 26):
Quoting Slz396 (Reply 24):
But who cares, they are only the world's most highly respected airline.

Refresh my memory...how are those A345s working out for them?

Er, very well actully.
 
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Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:50 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 30):
SQ has an LOI. They are not a firm A350 customer. Far stranger things have happened in the last twenty years than for SQ to cancel an LOI.

A LoI signed by SQ is nearly an indicator that a type won't serve in SQ's fleet.  Smile

Quoting EI321 (Reply 33):
Er, very well actully.

 rotfl 
 
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:55 am

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 31):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
I'm told that Delta, Continental, USAir, American, and Air Canada are all NOT going to buy the A380.

It will fail miserably. How can it possibly succeed without these blue chip major's support?

I'm selling my Airbus shares off the back of this awful news.

I blame Airbus for their lack of transparency when publishing orders on their website. Why didn't they say that AA and the other airlines you mention would not buy the 380?

I am firing off an email to them as I write

I'm disgusted by this. How dare they?

I think its Jade Goody and Jo O'Meara's fault to be honest.

I'm writing to my MP.
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:58 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 33):
Delusional in that AA are interested in the A350, perhaps. Delusional in the oinion that the A350 will be a superior plane to the 777, well its hard to argue with that.

Very well might be...but between the B777 and A350, there is something in the way called the B787.... Wink
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:15 am

I think AA may have been able to use the A380F for cargo services to China and the rest of Asia... but I don't see how they can use a passenger A380 though... it seems that AA concentrates on medium and long haul routes with high frequency.
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:18 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 34):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 33):
Er, very well actully.


So these A345s are not working out for SQ, so I guess they are changing these aircraft that are apparently not working out for them?  sarcastic 
 
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Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 38):
So these A345s are not working out for SQ, so I guess they are changing these aircraft that are apparently not working out for them?

Er..no, its just not worth the cost of purchasing the -200LR......

edit:

just to add to my post...AA has deferred 777 slots...

[Edited 2007-01-18 17:27:41]
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:23 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 35):

I'm disgusted by this. How dare they?

I think its Jade Goody and Jo O'Meara's fault to be honest.

I'm writing to my MP.

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Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:27 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 38):
So these A345s are not working out for SQ, so I guess they are changing these aircraft that are apparently not working out for them?

SQ's problem with the A340-500 is that the resale values are so low that it's not affordable to replace them with the 777-200LR. They will remain in the fleet until replaced by the 787-9.
 
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:34 am

Rumour has it that the Boeing BWB is out of the running at AA too
 
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Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:39 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 33):
Delusional in that AA are interested in the A350, perhaps. Delusional in the oinion that the A350 will be a superior plane to the 777, well its hard to argue with that.

Delusional to think that AA is in any hurry to replace nearly 50 (relativly young) 772ER. Look at AA's fleet needs. Neither the 787 nor A350 are going to replace their 772ER anytime in the foreseeable future.

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 37):
I think AA may have been able to use the A380F for cargo services to China and the rest of Asia...

AA has no dedicated cargo fleet. I seriously doubt they would start with the A380F...
 
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Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 33):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 26):
Quoting Slz396 (Reply 24):
But who cares, they are only the world's most highly respected airline.

Refresh my memory...how are those A345s working out for them?

Er, very well actully.

Try again - unless you consider significant payload restrictions to be a good thing.
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
In another blow to Airbus, AA SVP Craig Kreeger declared AA will likely not buy the much delayed A380

What a stupid statement. Nobody ever seriously thought AA would buy the A380 did they? I hardly think Airbus executives will lose much sleep over this shocking announcement!
 
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:50 am

I never considered AA a realistic customer for the A380 to begin with. They haven't operated a VLA for quite some time. They seem quite happy running their 777-200ERs and remaining MD-11s on long haul routes.

One thing that AA does demonstrate, is the move away from VLA to smaller aircraft that serve point to point destinations. 25 years ago, American was a 747 operator but downsized to the DC-10. When they had to make the jump to the next generation of widebodies, they opted for the MD-11 and then 777. The move to downsize by more than one major carrier (AA, DL, AC) does not bode well for the A380 program.
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:53 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 8):
Breaking news ...

"In another blow to Boeing, Southwest unlikely to buy 747-400"

 rotfl 
Good one.  Smile
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:55 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 44):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 33):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 26):
Quoting Slz396 (Reply 24):
But who cares, they are only the world's most highly respected airline.

Refresh my memory...how are those A345s working out for them?

Er, very well actully.

Try again - unless you consider significant payload restrictions to be a good thing.

Restrictions that did not stop them ordering it. If they did not like the aircraft they would not be flying it.
 
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RE: Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy

Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 48):
Restrictions that did not stop them ordering it.

...yet got them to cancel their options.
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