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16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:51 am

Yes, 16 years ago today was Eastern Airlines' final day of business.

I have the newspaper article and I would like to share it here.

USA TODAY, Front Page
Sat./Sun., January 19-20 1991

Eastern Airlines Calls It Quits

By Doug Carroll
USA TODAY

Eastern Airlines, strapped for cash and passengers, has shut down. All flights were canceled as of midnight EST Friday, company officials said.

American Airlines says it will honor all Eastern tickets. American already has filed with the Transportation Department to operate Eastern's Miami-Toronto and New York-Montreal routes.

Eastern, in bankruptcy reorganization since March 1989, is the biggest airline to go bust in U.S. aviation history. It now is likely to be sold in pieces in order to pay creditors.

Rumors flew this week that Eastern was close to death, but trustee Martin Shugrue said he was negotiating with investors.

The rumors intensified Friday when newsletter Aviation Daily issued a news release stating that Eastern would cease operations within hours.


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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:56 am

What a sad day indeed. Good airline, bad management.
 
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:19 pm

What a sad year for the airline industry 1991 was, two icons of aviation history went engines up.

RIP Pan Am and Eastern.

I wonder sometimes, if Eastern hadn't been bought by Frank Lorenzo and crew, along with Continental, frontier, people express, new york air and texas international (wow, what a buying spree) would they still be in business today?
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:30 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 2):
RIP Pan Am and Eastern.

...And a little more than than decade later, TWA would be gone too.

TW, EA, BN, and PA...gone, but not forgotten
 
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:31 pm

16 years ago today, my grandfather lost his job.

D@mn that's depressing.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:34 pm

Quoting Piercey (Reply 4):
16 years ago today, my grandfather lost his job

Yes, is it very depressing. Many good, hardworking people lost more than just their jobs.
 
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:38 pm

What a coincidence. I can´t believe I run into a passenger tonight in CCS, that used to be an Eastern customer, and at the beginning he did not recognize me until I told him that his office and the EA CTO where right next to each other. Amazing. All I can say is there won´t be another airline like EA.
It was great to work with them, it was like a big family, service onboard was impeccable. Walt Disney World had it´s own ride called "If You Had Wings". We were the Official carrier of the Magic Kingdom.
But it had to happen thanks to Lorenzo and his way of running the airline.
The rest is history.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:45 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 2):
I wonder sometimes, if Eastern hadn't been bought by Frank Lorenzo and crew, along with Continental, frontier, people express, new york air and texas international (wow, what a buying spree) would they still be in business today?

The Wings Of Man probably would have limped through the rest of Bush 41
era. With the dot com boom of the Bubba 90s Eastern would have probably
rebounded but, would have had to restructure or merge or be absorbed into another airline which would then have retained the Eastern name. Maybe
US would have tried what they want to do today with DL and become the new
Delta. But back then the new Eastern. If Eastern flew into the 21st. Century
whether as a stand alone or as taken over, it would have had to navigate through the the 911 horrors and the dot com bust and "W" economics. If Eastern made it through all that recent shit, it would be flying today maybe even flying high today!



Oh, what could have been.

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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:46 pm

What a coincidence. I can´t believe I run into a passenger tonight in CCS, that used to be an Eastern customer, and at the beginning he did not recognize me until I told him that his office and the EA CTO where right next to each other. Amazing. All I can say is there won´t be another airline like EA.
It was great to work with them, it was like a big family, service onboard was impeccable. Walt Disney World had it´s own ride called "If You Had Wings". We were the Official carrier of the Magic Kingdom.
But it had to happen thanks to Lorenzo and his way of running the airline.
The rest is history.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:51 pm

A coworker's father was a pilot for Eastern and he lost his job 16 years ago to the day. We have had several discussions about it even though he and I have worked together only a few months. His father's career was never the same, as is expected in a heavily unionized field.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:09 pm

Eastern did more than fall down. Fell down an elevator shaft is more like it.


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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:20 pm

For a time in the 1970s, EA was actually the largest airline *in the world,* this side of Aeroflot.

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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:52 pm

Anyone have the exact date of PanAm's demise?
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:12 pm

Quoting Aviateur (Reply 11):
For a time in the 1970s, EA was actually the largest airline *in the world,* this side of Aeroflot.

If I recall, I think this claim might depend on which metric you use to measure the claim -- I remember asking about it on here a couple of years ago. I don't believe they were ever the largest, fleet-wise (but if you know otherwise, please correct me), but I think they did rank first in enplanements for a while. Not saying you're wrong at all, just that they never came particularly close to 12,000 various civil aircraft.  Wink

Also, wasn't "carrying more passengers than any airline in the free world" part of their advertising around this time?
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:29 pm

Quoting N917ME (Reply 1):
Good airline, bad management.

Excuse me for asking but what exactly made it a particularly good airline?

You say the management was bad, we all know that the unions representing the employees had no business sense to accept needed work rule changes/flexibility plus pay adjustments. The fleet wasn't particularly well thought out. The route structure was concentrated over the most congested airspace in the world. They had a first rate Airline Reservation System (I think that is the only asset that Lorenzo really wanted out of EA).

So, again, what makes it a particularly good airline? It is OK to be nostalgic, but if it is just nostalgia lets not elavate EA higher than they once were.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:46 pm

Quoting WestJetYQQ (Reply 12):
Anyone have the exact date of PanAm's demise?

December 4, 1991.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:59 pm

I walked into the crew room at LAX and everyone was huddled around the Master Board. Tacked up where our trips were always posted was a teletype from Marty saying it was over.

Flight attendants were not allowed to ride the ferry flights on the aircraft headed back to Atlanta. We had to fend for ourselves.

Fortunately a Delta manager at LAX authorized travel for all of us.

Eastern was my first real job and i worked there eleven years. I loved it. It was a fun place to work. The people were kind. It really was like a family. We just allowed ourselves to be misguided by fools and failed to take responsibilitiy for our own lives and thinik for ourselves.

I was picked up immediately by Pan Am, which ran less than a year before Delta hired me. When I got my first Delta paycheck, I felt I had finally achieved financial security in my chosen field. Nobody saw 9/11 coming. That one day forever changed the lives of nearly every single person employed in aviation. Tens of thousands of Eastern employees never returned to aviation.

I'm rambling. But I miss working for Eastern. If life only offered second chances, I'd behave much differently than I did at the time.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:08 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 16):
Nobody saw 9/11 coming. That one day forever changed the lives of nearly every single person employed in aviation.



Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 16):
I loved it. It was a fun place to work.

I think we can all agree that it was much more fun to work in the aviation industry before derregulation (no cut throat competition, more laid back) and 9/11 (forcing yet another round of efficiencies to be extracted). That, by the way, was also true for Telecom (before derregulation and the .com bust) and a number of other industries.

In the end though, the Aviation industry is serving the customer better today. Prices went much lower after derregulation and lower still after 9/11 (particularly for business travellers). All measures of efficiency (from aircraft utilization to revenue per employee) are way up. I think all of us in Aviation must be proud of the tremendous progress that was made in the midst of such dislocations as bankruptcy, 9/11, etc.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:09 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 10):
Eastern did more than fall down. Fell down an elevator shaft is more like it.

Eastern didn't fall. Eastern was pushed. Two of the biggest, greediest egos in the business, Frank Lorenzo in management and Charlie Bryan from the machinist the union screwed Eastern and it's people into the ground. Neither of these two alleged leaders gave a damn about anything but stroking themselves and winning their personal war. The business realities of the day did not exist to these two or their leadership teams.

After all was said and done Frank Lorenzo was exposed as the corporate rapist he is. He should have gone to jail, and to this day the government will not let him "run" an airline.

Where is Charlie Bryan today?
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:27 pm

I remember flying on EA just a couple of days before the end from BOS-DCA-ATL. I remember there being only maybe 10 people on the flight from DCA-ATL. You already knew the end was near, you just had that feeling.

Sad bit of aviation history.

And yes, I remember the "World of Flight", now Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger ride. EA & DL fought all the time for customers in ATL, and up down the East coast for the coveted Florida business.

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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:52 pm

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 14):
Excuse me for asking but what exactly made it a particularly good airline?

I lived out west, so I'm going to have a much different perspective on EA than those who flew them up and down the east. I still have the ticket and boarding pass from my first flight with them from EWR to DCA in '79, and I recall how even on a short flight they just seemed professional and cosmopolitan, in comparison to the much more relaxed atmosphere of carriers I grew up flying with in the west.

I started flying them a lot to ORD and coast-to-coast through their MCI hub, and on their LAX-BOS nonstop 757s, and even in the years I was the lowest level of elite, the gate agents would recognize me and issue an upgrade without my even asking. The one odd time I flew them back home out of EWR instead of BOS, the flight to MCI was delayed, and they'd just become "sister" airlines with CO, and I'd been automatically rebooked on CO's nonstop to LAX. When I checked in, the agent said something like, "oh dear, you don't want to fly with them do you?" and rebooked me via ATL in First. I was even offered a delicious tandoori chicken dish for my meal that had been boarded for a no-show passenger. The f/a simply asked if I wanted something out of the ordinary, and I accepted. They really just took care of their passengers, at least me, and I was sad to see them go.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:49 pm

So sad to be reminded of this day in history. I'm fighting to decide whether I'll give my Father a call.

Good ole Gene started flying with Eastern in the 1960's, on the Boeing 720. Later, he moved up to the L1011, a plane he was very proud to fly. That's where he met my mother - an Eastern stewardess on the L1011. When he became Captain Gene, he flew DC9s.

He loved the airline so much, and remained loyal to it even as Frank Lorenzo ran it into the ground.

He and a lot of his friends worked very hard for the airline. Most of them came from an era that taught them management would be there for them in times of crisis. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case.

He's an old man now, but still gets a pretty big smile on his face when he remembers the good times. Sadly, though, it only lasts a minute - until he remembers how and why it all ended.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:57 pm

Planespotting at ATL was not quite the same after Eastern folded.
 
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:08 am

What was the fleet count and employee count when they shut doors? I also read that the pax loads were pretty low? Does anyone have a guess on the load factor before shutdown? Were the pilots on strike, or what was going on with that?
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 23):
Were the pilots on strike, or what was going on with that?

the IAM (International Assn. of Machinists and Aerospace Workers), went on strike March 4, 1989. A sympathy strike called by the pilots represented by ALPA (Air Line Pilots Assn.) and flight attendants represented by TWU (Transport Workers Union) effectively shut down the airline's domestic operations. Non-contract employees, including airport gate and ticket counter agents and reservation sales agents, did not honor the strike. Due to the strike, flights were cancelled, resulting in lost revenue for the airline.

More here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:22 am

In my short time in the industry I've come across a number of ex-Eastern employees. Having heard some of their stories it keeps things in perspective. In other words in spite of the troubles my current employer has faced I know it could be a lot worse. And that I should be thankful that Frank Lorenzo is not allowed any where near the airline industry.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 23):
What was the fleet count and employee count when they shut doors? I also read that the pax loads were pretty low? Does anyone have a guess on the load factor before shutdown? Were the pilots on strike, or what was going on with that?

The employee count was between 18,000 and 21,000 depending on who you ask and who was actually considered an employee. Not sure about the exact fleet size, but I believe it was more than 150, but less than 200. Passenger loads actually shot up at the very, very end. My very last Eastern flight was an L-1011 on December 3, 1990 and it was oversold. I think the IAM was still on strike, but from what I gather, the pilots and F/A's had come back.
 
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 10):
Eastern did more than fall down. Fell down an elevator shaft is more like it.

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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 21):

He and a lot of his friends worked very hard for the airline. Most of them came from an era that taught them management would be there for them in times of crisis. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case.

Yeah, that was back in the days when people, including heads of corporations had a conscience and actually cared about other people than themselves. Today, we just have greedy CEO's trying to get rich at the expense of everyone else... see Enron.
 
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:55 am

Quoting Cba (Reply 28):
Today, we just have greedy CEO's trying to get rich at the expense of everyone else... see Enron.

I'm sure there are thousands of people who would like to see Frank Lorenzo suffer the same fate as Ken Lay.

I could probably find six or seven who would stand laughing at him as he drew his last breaths. Seriously, the hatred runs that deep.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:41 am

Quoting Smashme33 (Reply 22):
Planespotting at ATL was not quite the same after Eastern folded.

Had EA survived; J7 would've had to look elsewhere to start.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:22 am

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 29):
I'm sure there are thousands of people who would like to see Frank Lorenzo suffer the same fate as Ken Lay.

I could probably find six or seven who would stand laughing at him as he drew his last breaths. Seriously, the hatred runs that deep.

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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:45 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 30):
Had EA survived; J7 would've had to look elsewhere to start.

Had Eastern survived there would have been NO J7!
 
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:45 am

Actually, Frank Borman and his antics-plagued by his damned indecisions and looting the larder (executive pay bonuses, stock options-taking planes out of service to fly to BGI or BDA for lunch and 9 holes)....

1978 waiting for a JFK/BDA run-supposed to be L-10, wound up a 727-100 QC...and it was nasty...that is all I can say. Came to find out, a very good friend of mine-his wife flew for Eastern and happened to be assigned to that flight. When I saw Darlene, I asked her what happened to the L-10 service.

She pulled me aside and said Borman and a few of his cronies flew to Nassau the nite before for a golf tournament-and held the plane OTS for 4 days...while they were bumping folks off the BDA flight and paying thousands in FIM revenue and dbc.

I understand from another buddy, rest his soul now, who was a lead mech on the 747 for PAA-Ed Acker used to pull planes from service and provide his kids and their friends with day trips to the coast, Disney and the islands. Lou said he'd just get done with a B check on a darn 747-Acker would tell them to pull it OTS and take it to STT or SXM for Christmas shopping....and they'd wind up, sometimes the week of a mad xmas rush, canceling 2-4 SJU runs a day, displacing about 1200 folks during the peak season.

Incredible...these are the guys who ultimately finished the jobs of the previous sky warriors, eg. Rickenbacker and Juan Trippe....while they were pioneers, and some of the best the industry will ever see from a founding point of view....but they were also pirates...all guts but no glory.

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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:54 am

Quoting Phllax (Reply 32):
Had Eastern survived there would have been NO J7!

And that would have been okay.

I grief the lost of Eastern to these days. Never again Eastern 023 LAX-MIA-EZE-SCL on a DC10. Ahhh, eve though I was only 10 in 88 I can say that those were the days.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:56 am

Even if I never flew with Eastern it's not a happy day. Eastern, Pan Am, TWA, Ansett, Sabena, Swissair.. I got the privilege to fly with some of them, today they're gone. The development of Airline business isn't always good. But 15 years ago I couldn't fly to USA for just 500 dollars as I can today. Or, Laker did that. But that's another story.
 
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:59 am

I fondly remember Eastern Airlines. I also remember the ruthless raping of the airline by Lorenzo as well as the blind lashing out of the "Machinists" and pilots which did as much to drive the company into the ground.

Hiring Shugrue to run the airline into the ground the rest of the way was the icing on that turdcake.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting Cody (Reply 26):
Not sure about the exact fleet size, but I believe it was more than 150, but less than 200.

IIRC, the fleet stood at 168 aircraft when EA finally shut down. At their largest, the fleet was well over 300 planes - not a lot by today's standards, but huge in EA's boom years from 1983 to 1986.

Also, IIRC EA's "We fly more passengers than anyone in the free world," was in 1983, at over 90M pax.

This is all from memory, so no need to crucify me if I'm not 100% on the money here.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:06 am

Does anyone have a list of all the aircraft that Eastern fly? I know they had DC9s, 727s and L1011s, what else?

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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:38 am

i do sadly remember...

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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:48 am

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 38):
Does anyone have a list of all the aircraft that Eastern fly? I know they had DC9s, 727s and L1011s, what else?

The jets included DC8s, DC9s, A300s, A310s, 727s, 747s, 757s, D10s, L1011s, and props included DC3s, DC4s, DC6s, L188s, Convair 340s and 440s, and Lockheed Constellations. Did I leave anything out?
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:00 am

Who is J7???? Surely ya'll aren't referring to Centre-Avia Airlines, Russian Federation? 'Cause that's what comes up when I hover over it...


Isn't AirTran today made up of many former Eastern executives?
How do we feel about that?
 
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:12 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 41):
Who is J7???? Surely ya'll aren't referring to Centre-Avia Airlines, Russian Federation? 'Cause that's what comes up when I hover over it...


Isn't AirTran today made up of many former Eastern executives?
How do we feel about that?

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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:20 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 40):
The jets included DC8s, DC9s, A300s,

In fact, wasn't this Airbus' first big sale in the U.S. market?
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:11 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 43):
In fact, wasn't this Airbus' first big sale in the U.S. market?

1st Period, with some interesting financing too...

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 40):
The jets included DC8s, DC9s, A300s, A310s, 727s, 747s, 757s, D10s, L1011s, and props included DC3s, DC4s, DC6s, L188s, Convair 340s and 440s, and Lockheed Constellations. Did I leave anything out?

720, 747-100 (leased), never had A310s, also large fleet of Martin 404s, also DC-7s. And ended up with some convair 240s as well.

Types they flew jetliners:
720 (launch Cust)
727-100 (launch Cust)
727-100QC (launch Cust)
727-200
727-200ADV
747-121 (Leased from PanAm)
757-200 (launch Cust)
L1011-1 (launch Cust)
DC-8-20/-30/50/61/2/3
DC-9-10/30/50 (launch Cust of -30 and -50)
Dc-10-30 (Ex-Alitalia)
A300B2K-103 (Ex Iranair)
A300B4-103/104 (US Launch Customer)

They also almost flew ex-QANTAS 747-238Bs and almost flew 737-300s diverted from Continental.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:12 am

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 19):
I also remember losing about 60,000 unused miles when they finally went under.

Wasn't Eastern part of OnePass and you could earn miles
flying EA or CO? Eastern did not have a separate FF program,
it was merged into OnePass after the acquistion by Texas Air.
As far as I know, OnePass is still around and the miles don't expire
(yet).
 
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:14 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 40):
The jets included DC8s, DC9s, A300s, A310s, 727s, 747s, 757s, D10s, L1011s, and props included DC3s, DC4s, DC6s, L188s, Convair 340s and 440s, and Lockheed Constellations. Did I leave anything out?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe EA ever operated A310 equipment.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:25 am

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 18):
Eastern didn't fall. Eastern was pushed. Two of the biggest, greediest egos in the business, Frank Lorenzo in management and Charlie Bryan from the machinist the union screwed Eastern and it's people into the ground

Try more like being dry humped to eternity and squealing like a pig.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:40 am

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 45):
Wasn't Eastern part of OnePass and you could earn miles
flying EA or CO? Eastern did not have a separate FF program,
it was merged into OnePass after the acquistion by Texas Air.

Actually OnePass was EA's program from the get-go, and CO was lumped into it after the purchase by Texas Air.
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RE: 16 Years Ago Today: Eastern Airlines Falls Down

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 40):
Did I leave anything out?

Not many! Good memory!

B-720, '7B's, Martins. I think thats got it covered post WWII.
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