Leezyjet
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AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:26 am

Yesterday an Air Canada B767-300 (C-GGFJ/652) was damaged by the winds at LHR.

The a/c was apparently swung round 25ft by the wind causing the forward fueslage to hit some equipment.

The a/c has sustained a puncture to the fwd port fuselage slightly bigger than a large fist, and also some scrapes and dents in the same area.


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The damage is located just above where the nose gear door is in the photo above.

I do have some pics of the actual damage, but don't have time to post right now.

Looks like the a/c may be stuck at LHR for a few weeks whilst the damage is repaired.

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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:44 am

Those winds really must have been incredible to do that. Flying must have been something else?

AC is failry short of long range a/c I wonder if having a 763 out of the lineup will impact them very much? On the other hand if it had to happen I guess this time of year would be best time to have to have a 763 down.
 
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:45 am

The first one in the new sparkly colours. They're over two years old, and I guess it's time for a repaint.
 
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:54 am

Has she been XM'ed yet? If not this could be a good time to do it.
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting CNZ3 (Reply 3):
Has she been XM'ed yet? If not this could be a good time to do it.

No she hasn't and on another forum there has been recent comments at awful state of the interior on this one.
 
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:58 am

Looks like she was supposed to operate AC 889 LHR-YOW as YOW's FIDS are showing 889 as being cancelled.
 
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:59 am

Quoting CNZ3 (Reply 3):
Has she been XM'ed yet?

what does Xm'ed mean?
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting Qslinger (Reply 6):
what does Xm'ed mean?

I think it is a reference to the cabin upgrade that ACs fleet is undergoing - going by ChrisA330s reply I would guess that this a/c is not yet upgraded
 
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 7):
I think it is a reference to the cabin upgrade that ACs fleet is undergoing - going by ChrisA330s reply I would guess that this a/c is not yet upgraded

Correct - XM refers to the internal name AC has on the refurb. Project Extreme Makeover or Project XM.
 
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:14 am

Flew on 652 on AC 916 a few weeks back. The interior is fine, not dirty. Hope FJ is back soon! Note: after landing at YYZ the power failed and emergency lights came on
 
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:32 am

I was at LHR this morning and saw AC889 (LHR-YOW) cancelled, I assume this was the bird (or that the bird intended to operate 889 replaced the damaged one as YOW is usually less dense). I'm now waiting in the lounge in DOH to fly on to KTM but QR has delayed that till 4am with no explanation. Is there such a thing as too much flying? This A.netter says yes!

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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:46 am

Wow. how strong were the winds?
 
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:03 am

I saw a quick video clip on local news of an aircraft making a very interesting approach. I am not sure if this was stock footage or actual footage of an approach to LHR the other day in the hurricane force winds.
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:08 am

Quoting CNZ3 (Reply 3):
Has she been XM'ed yet? If not this could be a good time to do it.

Unfortunately I dont think they will XM this A/C at this point in time. I believe they try and get this done at YWG and YUL (correct me if I am wrong) and the repair work would have to get done at LHR, so once it is good to fly out of LHR I would assume it should be good to go back in to service. If this is the case, it should be XM'ed once it goes in for a major maintenance and they have to tear the seats out anyhow.
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:35 am

Quoting MrPorter (Reply 12):
I saw a quick video clip on local news of an aircraft making a very interesting approach. I am not sure if this was stock footage or actual footage of an approach to LHR the other day in the hurricane force winds.

The one I saw this evening was an Avro RJ. I couldn't tell what airline. The plane appeared to be at about a 30 degree to the runway. I couldn't tell whether it was taking off or had given up on trying to land and was starting a go-around.
 
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:37 pm

Also to the original poster once you get a chance to upload those pictures I would really appreciate seeing them.
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:29 pm

Wow Leezyjet, I must compliment you on the choice of pic. What an awesome picture. So clear, and to think it was taken with a 4 mp piece of junk. Wow, must be an experienced photog.  

To those who are wondering which A/C are currently being XM'ed, there are currently 7 being refurbed at the same time, a record I think. 2 763's, 2 319's and 3 320's as follows:

B-763B
AC0632 19/01/2007
In progress
A-319
AC0267
23/01/2007
In progress
A-320
AC0206
23/01/2007
In progress
A-320
AC0209
28/01/2007
In progress
B-763B
AC0635
30/01/2007
In progress
A-320
AC0201
06/02/2007
In progress
A-319
AC0286
15/02/2007
In progress

[Edited 2007-01-20 05:36:16]
 
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:32 pm

Quoting COA735 (Reply 11):
Wow. how strong were the winds?

Up to 100 Mph gales.
I saw the AC bird on approach, it was a mid afternoon arrival, the winds were really strong but it didn't seem to affect air traffic. The damage must have occured shortly after landing.
 
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:14 pm

the metar in FRA said winds up to 80kts in the night. now you can imagine how difficult it was to land a a/c safety.
 
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 18):
the metar in FRA said winds up to 80kts in the night. now you can imagine how difficult it was to land a a/c safety.

It's not the winds that make it tough unless it's a crosswind or gusty. Gusts in that sort of wind are another matter and make for a very hard approach.

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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:00 pm

Quoting MrPorter (Reply 12):
I saw a quick video clip on local news of an aircraft making a very interesting approach. I am not sure if this was stock footage or actual footage of an approach to LHR the other day in the hurricane force winds.

I saw a couple of clips in the local news yesterday regarding the strong winds in various airports, including LHR. I distinctly remember one of them was a Nouvelair A320 wobbling from side to side like crazy and a Cessna Citation being thrown all over the place. Both were attempting to land.

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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:38 am

Here are the long awaited pics :-

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r67/Leezyjet/DSC00095.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r67/Leezyjet/DSC00096.jpg

Sorry about the quality, they were taken on my mobile phone !!.

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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:44 am

Quoting LHRspotter (Reply 17):
Up to 100 Mph gales.
I saw the AC bird on approach, it was a mid afternoon arrival, the winds were really strong but it didn't seem to affect air traffic. The damage must have occured shortly after landing.

I flew in on a 767-300 from YEG into LHR yesterday (19th). We were warned that the landing maybe bumpy, but it was quite ok despite the winds ... or maybe they just weren't that strong when we were landing.
Wonder if it was our AC that was damaged later on.
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:46 am

Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 2):
The first one in the new sparkly colours. They're over two years old, and I guess it's time for a repaint.

Oops I guess I answered my own question. Couldn't have been the one I was on as it was shabby inside ... I assume the ones having the new livery are nicer inside.

Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 4):
No she hasn't and on another forum there has been recent comments at awful state of the interior on this one.

Then again ... maybe it was the one I was on.

Must be jetlag, I'm not reading this thread properly ... or I'm just  drunk 
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:52 am

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 21):
Here are the long awaited pics :-

Looks okay to me - those'll come out with a quick T-Cut and buff....  Big grin
 
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:16 am

Something doesn't make sense. Even at 100 mph gusts, it is more likely that something struck the plane, than the plane was rotated to strike something. Can you really rotate an airliner, using its rubber wheels as the point of rotation, 25 feet, with a gust of wind?
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:19 am

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 25):
Something doesn't make sense. Even at 100 mph gusts, it is more likely that something struck the plane, than the plane was rotated to strike something. Can you really rotate an airliner, using its rubber wheels as the point of rotation, 25 feet, with a gust of wind?

Yes, you can.


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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:35 am

How difficult is it fix damage like this? Do whole panels need to be replaced or is there some sort of patch that can be applied?

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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:37 pm

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 25):
using its rubber wheels as the point of rotation, 25 feet, with a gust of wind?

Yes it's happened many times

A plane uses speed to put air under the wings and gain lift.

The wind provides speed to put air under the wings and gain lift...
and windspeed provides force and the wheels reduce friction...so it moves...

so an unsecured aircraft will move.
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RE: AC 767 Damaged In LHR Winds C-GGFJ/652

Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:05 pm

Quoting Dmanmtl (Reply 27):
How difficult is it fix damage like this? Do whole panels need to be replaced or is there some sort of patch that can be applied?

If it is just a skin puncture, then a scab can be applied as an interim repair fairly quickly (24 hrs). If it damaged the underlying frame, then the repair can get complicated requiring removing large areas of fasteners and then cutting and splicing in a new frame piece and then a skin repair(2-3 days). You also have to take into account the time to remove and replace any equiptment from the inside to get access to the damaged area.

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