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New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:38 am

Has US Airways moving any aircraft West to Phoenix or Las Vegas hubs or has any HP aircraft moved East as needed.



Does US have any flight that fly from a east or west coast hub then continue on, like PHL-PHX-LAX or PHX-PHL-BOS
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:46 am

I believe that HP is operating the PHL-PDX route.
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:55 am

I am not sure that USAir has merged the two operating certificates as yet...until that is done I believe the fleets are still handled by their own respective dispatchers and pilots.
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:04 am

Yes they're playing with the routes. Here in LAS US has picked up quite a few of the night flights. It varies based on where the aircraft are needed. The catch is, as said by someone else, that it's still two airlines. US can fly HP routes, and vice versa, but the US aircraft must be US flight crews, US flight attendants, US authorised ground crews, etc...
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:09 am

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 2):
I am not sure that USAir has merged the two operating certificates as yet...until that is done I believe the fleets are still handled by their own respective dispatchers and pilots.

Does anyone know when this will happen? What is the cause of the delay in putting both fleets under one operating certificate?
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:16 am

We see quite a few HP birds in CLT.
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:23 am

The schedule out of PHX shows some PHX-SAN flights 1551 and 1509 are operated under the US code and since one flight is a 321 I'm guessing that these flights are operated by US/East. Unitil the first of the year they had a US/East operate a PHX/DEN service also.
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:31 am

Mesa is operating US Airways Express flights between RIC and CLT....in HP colors.
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:33 am

PHX routes operated by US-East aircraft for today:

SAN (3x 321, 320)
MIA (319)
MSP (320)
DFW (319)
IAD (320)
SEA (320)
LAX (319)

Plus hub flights to CLT (4x 321, 320), PHL (3x 321, 319) and PIT (319, 320)

LAS routes operated by US-East aircraft for today:

FLL (320)
RDU (319)
BOS (319)
MIA (319)

Plus hub flights to CLT (5x 757), PHL (5x 757), PIT (2x 757).
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:37 am

I believe in order to merge the AOC's one of the pre-requisites (among many others) is to merge each bargaining group together under 1 collective bargaining agreement.

Only a few unions have come to agreement on a merged CBA.
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:38 am

I was up the other night around SMF and heard "cactus" on the radio. I was wondering when they would switch everything over to us airways' call sign.
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:39 am

Only 5 US-west aircraft a day in PHL
PHX 2x
PDX 1x
SAN 1x
LAS 1x
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:43 am

Quoting Avi8tir (Reply 10):
I was wondering when they would switch everything over to us airways' call sign.

Only once the operating certificates are merged, which probably will be unlikely to happen until the company irons out pay and benefits issues with the separate work groups.
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:53 am

US East aircraft also operating 1 SAN-MCI flt, today's routing was RDU-PHL-SAN-MCI
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:21 am

Off topic but does anyone know why HP have many flights arriving at 2-4am.
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:47 am

Quoting Asuflyer (Reply 14):
Off topic but does anyone know why HP have many flights arriving at 2-4am.

HP for several years has had a late night hub in LAS, with many flights departing around 11:55pm.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
The schedule out of PHX shows some PHX-SAN flights 1551 and 1509 are operated under the US code and since one flight is a 321 I'm guessing that these flights are operated by US/East.

SAN seems to be one of the more integrated stations. The kiosks have been combined and so all the kiosks can handle both HP and US flights. CSAs seem to be able to handle both airlines.

I believe when US/East first started operating PHX-SAN flights it was to gain more utilization out of aircraft that were otherwise sitting around PHX waiting to return to an East hub. These days some flights will go back to PHX while others will turn to an East hub, so I guess it's all just scheduling trying to get the most use out of the aircraft.

Quoting KRIC777 (Reply 7):
Mesa is operating US Airways Express flights between RIC and CLT....in HP colors.

All Mesa flights fall under the America West Express contract; Mesa Airlines is no longer a US Airways Express airline (though I believe Mesa subsidiary Air Midwest still is). Several of the CRJ-900s were moved to CLT into traditionally East routes because thats where they were needed. Not all have been repainted.

Quoting Rolo987 (Reply 1):
I believe that HP is operating the PHL-PDX route.

I believe this was done because PDX was not a US station but was an HP one.
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:47 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 12):
Only once the operating certificates are merged, which probably will be unlikely to happen until the company irons out pay and benefits issues with the separate work groups.

The operating certs are scheduled to be merged in April. They stated they have no problem running 1 airline with separate work contracts....the FA's are already being trained on each other's aircraft.
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:54 am

The combined call sign will not be US Air, it will be Cactus for both east and west.

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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:16 pm

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 17):
The combined call sign will not be US Air, it will be Cactus for both east and west.

Has this changed recently?

Per Flight Ops news update during the late fall it was stated that while the company had wished to maintain the "Cactus" callsign, this was denied by FAA/ICAO due to similar callsign/radio telephony pronunciation conflict in some other regions of the world.
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:26 pm

I know the following info for US:

US east has permission to run 4x 321's from PHX-SAN.

All F/A's are to be trained on each others a/c.

The cactus call sign will remain.

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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:04 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 20):
US east has permission to run 4x 321's from PHX-SAN.

I assume that means up to A321, because we've also gotten A319 and A320. I did one SAN-PHX segment on an east A320.
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:52 am

The computer systems will merge the first or second weekend of march.

The flight cert. will merge sometime in April, thats all I know, but once the cert. in merged you may see west pilots/east FAs or visa versa on many flights, or a combo within the cockpit/cabin. Now we shall really see how well the two employee groups get along.

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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:01 am

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 21):
I assume that means up to A321, because we've also gotten A319 and A320. I did one SAN-PHX segment on an east A320.

An a-netter (I think it was HPramper) told me that.

I know for sure MCO is an integrated station. The HP planes park at B gates now instead of A.

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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:32 am

Monday through Friday we get an HP Express CRJ-900 at MHT to PHL or CLT I can't remember at the moment. But they are operated by Mesa Airlines with there crew. So no Mainline HP. And not alot of mainline US. I think 3 in and 3 out daily.
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:37 am

I think the most interesting example is JFK-CLT which is operated as HP Express from JFK to CLT with a US codeshare and US Express from CLT - JFK with and HP codeshare. This is due to US having no staff at JFK and HP having no staff at CLT.
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:09 am

Quoting Rolo987 (Reply 1):
I believe that HP is operating the PHL-PDX route.

Correct

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 4):
Does anyone know when this will happen? What is the cause of the delay in putting both fleets under one operating certificate?

April, as stated above.
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:04 am

Quoting Rolo987 (Reply 1):
I believe that HP is operating the PHL-PDX route.

Yes

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 4):
Does anyone know when this will happen? What is the cause of the delay in putting both fleets under one operating certificate?

The airlines have two very different work groups and two very different histories in the recent past that have made merging the certificates difficult. Employee seniority at US is a big issue.

Quoting Avi8tir (Reply 10):
I was up the other night around SMF and heard "cactus" on the radio. I was wondering when they would switch everything over to us airways' call sign.

Cactus is meant to be the call sign for the entire airline.
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:00 pm

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 25):
I think the most interesting example is JFK-CLT which is operated as HP Express from JFK to CLT with a US codeshare and US Express from CLT - JFK with and HP codeshare. This is due to US having no staff at JFK and HP having no staff at CLT.

Partly, it's because JFK is equipped with SHARES computer system, and not the East's SABRE. That will disappear in March with the res integration.
 
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RE: New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:59 pm

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 21):
Now we shall really see how well the two employee groups get along.

Hopefully no cat fights! hehe

The customer service group is doing a buddy up with cities on the east and west coast. Each city is being assigned a city from the "old" airline to do a work share program. In TUS we've been buddied up with BTV so some of our employees will go there to work for a few days and vice versa...should be fun actually.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 22):
I know for sure MCO is an integrated station. The HP planes park at B gates now instead of A.

Yeah that was an easy one....the old HP never had employees there, it was contracted to CO, so US took over our flights pretty quick. Same for TPA.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):
The airlines have two very different work groups and two very different histories in the recent past that have made merging the certificates difficult. Employee seniority at US is a big issue.

Oh so true! However they told us they will work with 2 different contracts in one work group if necessary. I guess merging the certificates isn't a big deal if you don't have one work contract. The planes can at least go where they are needed...just the workers might not be totall intermigling.
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