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NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:31 pm

An NZ B733 pilot flying a domestic flight from DUD-AKL has been stood down, but no action is being taken against the pilot. The Pilot said he did the diversion just to give the passengers a look at the ice burgs that were floating north from Antarctica during November. The flight was 10 minutes late in AKL, which resulted in several 15 minute delays that day.

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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:06 pm

Well at least he was honest about it... the smart thing to do would have been to say that there were several small delays along the way including worse winds than forecast all adding up to 10min delay  Wink
10 mins does sound a lot however... he must have really made a dogleg there to show that!
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:08 pm

Must have been a pretty tall iceberg.

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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:27 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
Must have been a pretty tall iceberg.

Some Ice bergs were upto and over 1 kilometre long (thats about 0.8 miles)
 
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:23 pm

Reminds me of a US pilot a few year back that decided to do 360 loop above the Grand Canyon on an extremely clear day while on a transcon headed into LA.

I understand the company suspended the pilots for wasting company funds (fuel), however the union as expected managed to bargain for his return.
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:28 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
Reminds me of a US pilot a few year back that decided to do 360 loop above the Grand Canyon on an extremely clear day while on a transcon headed into LA.

Surely not a vertical loop above the Grand Canyon?
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:32 pm

Once again, Air New Zealand management shows they have little sense of fun in their customer service.

Still, what can you expect from a management that approved those new uniforms?

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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:00 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
Once again, Air New Zealand management shows they have little sense of fun in their customer service.

Yes but unfortunately those little detours cost money ie fuel .. Also that detour delayed other flights inconveniencing other passengers also .. Yes it was lovely for those passengers to get the detour but unfortunately the passengers on the delayed passengers i bet would not be happy with that captain for delaying their flights later on in the day..
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Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:15 pm

I know pilots that reguarly give passengers a birds eye view of Niagra Falls. It probably takes about 10 minutes all-together after departing BUF but after all, airlines pad the schedules with extra time, and if management wants to bitch about the extra costs, perhaps they should do away with their bonues like AA mgmt got last week.
 
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:23 pm

Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 8):
I know pilots that reguarly give passengers a birds eye view of Niagra Falls. It probably takes about 10 minutes all-together after departing BUF but after all, airlines pad the schedules with extra time, and if management wants to bitch about the extra costs, perhaps they should do away with their bonues like AA mgmt got last week.

Well its interesting you make the comment about padding the schedules ..I can say with a lot of certainly that NZ does not .. When delays happen it causes rolling delays .. The NZ domestic fleet is always on the move with most of the jets only having 30 min turn around times.. So there is not much padding in the schedules..
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Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:24 pm

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 7):
i bet would not be happy with that captain for delaying their flights later on in the day..

It happened once. Tell the captain he was a naughty boy, tell other pilots not to do it, and know that you had a plane full of happy pax.

For those who were delayed on other flights - the delays were, the article says, 15 minutes. Delays like that happen frequently. So tell those pax why it happened - and stand by for plane loads of pax wanting to see the icebergs. I would have.

There's more to life than just getting there - who goes to Italy for punctuality?

As to the cost of it - what did those new uniforms cost? And how long will they be with us?

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Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:27 pm

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 9):
Well its interesting you make the comment about padding the schedules ..I can say with a lot of certainly that NZ does not .. When delays happen it causes rolling delays .. The NZ domestic fleet is always on the move with most of the jets only having 30 min turn around times.. So there is not much padding in the schedules..

Gotcha, yeah I guess mostly US airliners are padded since the US DOT publishes the montly on-time statistics....Most carriers are trying to utilize their a/c more, but still around a 45min scheduled turn.
 
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:29 pm

Slightly related..

Do QF pilots routinely fly around Uluru for a good look, or was my flight the only one?
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Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:39 pm

If I was airline management I would like it as it might increase passenger satisfaction, and possibly create some more ticket sales.

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Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:19 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
It happened once. Tell the captain he was a naughty boy, tell other pilots not to do it, and know that you had a plane full of happy pax.

For those who were delayed on other flights - the delays were, the article says, 15 minutes. Delays like that happen frequently. So tell those pax why it happened - and stand by for plane loads of pax wanting to see the icebergs. I would have.

There's more to life than just getting there - who goes to Italy for punctuality?

As to the cost of it - what did those new uniforms cost? And how long will they be with us?

ok the uniforms and a captain wasting company funds are 2 seperate issues .. The company can spend its $$ on what it likes the captain cant he has a flight plan to follow !!

As for the Italy comment hmmm whats that got to do with anything.. Air NZ is going all out for on time performance and cost cutting ..All Air NZ flight and ground staff know this , so the captain would of know he may get into a little trouble for doing this ..
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:47 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
and know that you had a plane full of happy pax.

Intangible value.

Since Fyfe took over I've felt that AirNZ is all about things they can measure and ignores the things they can't. The potential outsourcing of engineers and terminal services illustrates this to some degree.

Certainly it 'cost' AirNZ to add an extra 10 minutes to one flight - but those passengers will be talking AirNZ up, and far more likely to fly them in the future (on those routes where there is actually competition....)  Smile

Of course it's impossible to place financial value on this detour and we'll never know if the diversion was 'worth it'...


And they were big icebergs. Up to a kilometer across, and some several hundred meters high.

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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:54 pm

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 14):
As for the Italy comment hmmm whats that got to do with anything.

Substitute "Polynesia" for "Italy" and you may get a clue.

Or go to my original statement. That how a company deals with "exceptions" - that may be for the benefit of some customers - is indicative of its attitude to the customer in general.

It was a once in a llfetime - so far - event. The captain should not have done it, but keep it in proportion. Tell him off, laugh about it and then let it go.

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 14):
ok the uniforms and a captain wasting company funds are 2 seperate issues

I disagree. The company wastes a fortune on uniforms that make the majority of iits female staff look like heifers in tight sacks. The cost cutting is largely coming from the workers.

It is indicative of an attitude. Of a sense of priorties.

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Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:40 pm

I don't see how they can get rid of him easily because it wasn't like he endangered passangers lives.
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:51 pm

Two years ago, I was onboard a Singapore Airlines flight from CHC to SIN and after takle-off the pilot flew quite low for about 30 minutes so that we could enjoy the view of the snow-covered Southern Alps, the lakes and some fjords. After that the pilot said "I hope you enjoyed the view, that was a small present from Singapore Airlines". And then we rocketed into the sky!

Despite the "low-flying ride", we arrived 30 minutes ahead of the scheduled arrival time.I guess that the pilot knew that he would be having strong tail winds on the way to SIN, that's why he could give his passengers some time to enjoy the view of NZ's South Island.

Anyway, it's was worth it! What a view!

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Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:09 pm

15 minutes isn't that long of a delay...
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Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:11 pm

Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 8):
perhaps they should do away with their bonues like AA mgmt got last week.

No kidding...they're awfly stingy with money considering what they make.

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Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:24 pm

LH Pilots often fly around the Cape , before Landing at Cape Town , the management prohibited this , but most of them don´t care...
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:34 pm

Quoting Kohflot (Reply 12):
Do QF pilots routinely fly around Uluru for a good look, or was my flight the only one?

No. Not officially, at any rate. The company requires management approval for any "sight seeing" diversions. Given the gyrations over a few litres of fuel savings that I see performed every day, I'd wager the answer would be "no".
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Bur

Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:40 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 16):
It was a once in a llfetime - so far - event. The captain should not have done it, but keep it in proportion. Tell him off, laugh about it and then let it go.

"We discussed with the pilot the consequences of his actions, however no disciplinary action was taken," an Air New Zealand spokeswoman said.

Isn't that pretty much exactly what they did?

That being said, it was all very nice for the passengers on the flight and no doubt good PR, but I really don't think 'surprising and delighting' one planeload of passengers while delaying several subsequent planeloads of passengers, many of whom were no doubt flying to important meetings, family emergencies, etc. There's always the chance someone is rushing to a critically ill relative who may die at any minute. Imagine if you were on one of the delayed flights and arrived 2 minutes after your ill father passes away!
Sorry to put a downer on things, but it's difficult enough to adhere to schedules without avoidable delays like this one.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 16):
I disagree. The company wastes a fortune on uniforms that make the majority of iits female staff look like heifers in tight sacks.

I don't agree with you and neither do many others. It's purely a matter of taste but I know of a couple of our female crew who read this website, and I regret your choice of language to express your distaste. I'm sorry you don't like the uniform - I rather do. Opinion amongst the public is mixed, as it is with pretty much any uniform (including our old one - I'll always remember one description of it as 'bad taste layered on bad taste').

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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:58 pm

Quoting TG992 (Reply 23):
Imagine if you were on one of the delayed flights and arrived 2 minutes after your ill father passes away!

Man. With a little effort you could have tried for some genuine hyperbole. As an aside, if they know you are coming they generally don't die until right after you get there, even from around the world. Go ahead and ask me how I know this.
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:07 pm

If it pleased the passengers then NZ shouldnt be so strict. Like someone said, pleased passnegers = passengers who will fly again
 
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Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:21 pm

Quoting BA787 (Reply 25):
If it pleased the passengers then NZ shouldnt be so strict. Like someone said, pleased passnegers = passengers who will fly again

Yeah but it also created several plane loads of unpleased passengers

unpleased passengers = passengers who won't fly again

Even though it was a small delay nobody likes to hear that word and as Mariner pointed out 15 minutes can be a lot of time when people have a schedule to keep.
 
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Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:52 pm

I would assume that as a lot less mainline airline traffic in flight or at airports in NZ versus other regions of the world, that NZ may not allocate as much slack time in flight schedules unless approved by NZ's dispatcher like for particular weather, wind, airport traffic status. Thus in this flight deviation it did screw up other flights schedules, at some cost to the airline and frustration to perhaps 1000+ customers that day. Yes, don't hang the pilot, but do appropiatly disipline him/her for their unthorized decision.
 
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
It happened once. Tell the captain he was a naughty boy, tell other pilots not to do it, and know that you had a plane full of happy pax.

That's probably what happened.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
There's more to life than just getting there - who goes to Italy for punctuality?



Quoting WestJetYQQ (Reply 13):
If I was airline management I would like it as it might increase passenger satisfaction, and possibly create some more ticket sales.

This is why you're not airline mgt. No offense but when you have a large pilot force, we have almost 5000, mgt must and will make an issue out of it because if they praised him for having some happy pax then next week some other guy would go one step further and not only go off course but descend to give them a better view yet or "hey look out the left side and you'll see my house, hey there's my wife waving at us let's go around again!" Also consider that probably there was only 25% that really gave a "rat's a**" about seeing an iceberg.They expect the jet to be flown by the flt. pln and on schedule ...period. Whether or not they had a smile on their face behind closed doors they'll never admit it.
 
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Some years ago (early nineties), an American Trans Air Boeing 757 Captain departing from Belfast for Orlando, descended to 2000ft about 50 miles north of Belfast on the way to the Atlantic Ocean and done a flypast to say farewell to some friends he had met in Portrush. This is a seaside town on the north coast of Northern Ireland. It was in the newspapers at the time and I still have the cutting. Apparently he wanted to thank people he stayed with for their hospitality. It was all correctly cleared by Air Traffic Control who met the request with some humour and had no problem with it.
 
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:04 am

Quoting Curmudgeon (Reply 24):
Man. With a little effort you could have tried for some genuine hyperbole. As an aside, if they know you are coming they generally don't die until right after you get there, even from around the world. Go ahead and ask me how I know this.

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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:16 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
Reminds me of a US pilot a few year back that decided to do 360 loop above the Grand Canyon on an extremely clear day while on a transcon headed into LA.

I understand the company suspended the pilots for wasting company funds (fuel), however the union as expected managed to bargain for his return.

This sounds more like an urban myth, as I've been on two seperate flights ORD-LAX where the pilot did figure 8's over the Grand Canyon for passenger sightseeing. It was great! We were ahead of schedule both times, and the captain was given clearance by ATC ahead of time.
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:21 am

Diverting for iceburgs. Does this bring new meaning to the term "flow control"?  Big grin
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:02 am

Quoting Nicogagne (Reply 18):
Despite the "low-flying ride", we arrived 30 minutes ahead of the scheduled arrival time.I guess that the pilot knew that he would be having strong tail winds on the way to SIN, that's why he could give his passengers some time to enjoy the view of NZ's South Island.



Quoting Airfinair (Reply 31):
This sounds more like an urban myth, as I've been on two seperate flights ORD-LAX where the pilot did figure 8's over the Grand Canyon for passenger sightseeing. It was great! We were ahead of schedule both times, and the captain was given clearance by ATC ahead of time.

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I was on a DL FAT->ATL flight a couple years back that did the same exact thing ... we had some crazy tailwinds forcast and would have been so early into ATL, we'dve had to circle for 30+ mins before they had a gate available.

Faced with the choice of circling overhead in ATL, or circling over the Grand Canyon's vastly less congested airspace (and far more pleasurable view) we did about 3-4 figure-eights, everyone oooh'ed and ahhh'd, and then we were on our way ...

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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:45 am

On December 17, 1978, I flew MCO-BWI on an Eastern Airlines 727. I remember the date because the pilot came on and told us that in honor of the 75th anniversary of the Wright brothers' first flight, he was changing the flight path to show us Kitty Hawk. I had a window seat and the plane descended somewhat so we could have a better view. Not much to look at compared to the Grand Canyon or the icebergs, but I thought it was really cool. I appreciated that he did that and still remember it clearly.
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:58 am

Years ago, I was on a DL flight from PDX to SLC and the pilot did a very low flyover and turn over Mt. Hood - to the point that you see the people on the mountain!
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting TG992 (Reply 23):
and I regret your choice of language to express your distaste.

Regret it all you wish, but I could have put it in quotes.

It is an exact phrase used to me by a female staff member, a woman with some Maori or Polynesian background.

I thought it was the most apt description I had heard. I have not yet seen a woman with a fuller figure who looks comfortable in the uniform.

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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:17 am

I remember reading a trip report a while back about a scheduled Tyrolean flight VIE-ZRH (or v.v.) that turned into a "sightseeing flight" for the passengers because of the clear skies. The writer said the pilots flew at a significantly lower altitude and made diversions for views.

If I were a passenger, I would be absolutely thrilled, even if we got an hour long delay. I think NZ gained more than they lost here.
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:07 am

10+ years ago, I flew United from EWR-LAX and our captain did a 360 in both directions so everyone could see the Rockies. We left EWR late, but, even with the diversion, arrived well early.
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:21 am

I would choose that airline again the next time if the pilot did this kind of things. Not the default route from A to B but a little sight seeing.

But I understand the airliner discision to, because 10 minutes is not cheap in this industry. If it was my call though I would not have suspended him.
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:10 am

Quoting Awthompson (Reply 29):
descended to 2000ft about 50 miles north of Belfast on the way to the Atlantic Ocean

Man if I was a passeneger and we descended to 2000Ft (less than 500m!!!!) 50 miles after take off I'd be praying and screaming bloody murder. I mean being that low afer take-off could have given some fearful flyer a heart attack. I know my mom already cringes every time the plane pitches down at acceleration height as she thinks we're sinking.
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:40 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
Once again, Air New Zealand management shows they have little sense of fun in their customer service.

I would not blame the managemnt. The airline operates on tight turns and a 10 min delay may mean misconnects or delayed down-line flights which translates to more than a cost of the extra 10 mins on that leg. (Ill will, bad on-time performnce, food vouchers, etc...)

I do not think this behavior should be tolerated. Should a customer on board wanted to see these ice bergs, then he/she should pay for a package by an travel agent that arranges this type of excursion.

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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:08 am

I was in NZ during November and was amazed by the publicity the bergs got. Front page in the papers!

If ANZ was smart they would have diverted all flights into Dunedin over the bergs, especially those with lower numbers. Given people were paying $300nzd to charter to see the ice bergs they would have filled the seats in their aircraft. Alternatively putting an A/C in service to do tours once a day, where the schedule permitted. Opportunity people!
 
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:35 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
Once again, Air New Zealand management shows they have little sense of fun in their customer service



Quoting Nzrich (Reply 7):
Yes but unfortunately those little detours cost money ie fuel

Agree with you both and as mentioned above The schedules are tight. But this case brings to mind other instances. Example, The are quite a few occasions where The Beech1900s have circled Mt taranaki for a better view, the ATR guys on some occasions circle the Ruepehu Crater for Pax to see. Although this may not have caused any delays in schedules isn't it wasting 'precious fuel'?

Another story I read in a wings magazine a few months back when Norris was at the helm. An elderly couple had a daughter who was admitted to Invercargill Hospital after an accident, however she was transfered to Dunedin Hospital soon after. The Parents boarded an ATR72 flight to Invergcargill but when the crew heard about the daughters transfer, they diverted to Dunedin to drop the parents off before carrying on to IVC. This caused the aircraft to be 10-15 minutes late as well. No one on board complained about the delay and it was praised by managment.

Now I am not comparing iceburgs to an injured young woman, but the basic principle is the same in the sense that both sets of pilots diverted and arrived late.

While I think in this case, the 733 pilot should be given a word, I think it would have done more things for NZ as good publicity than bad. Besides, most PAX go in to the domestic terminal expecting the flight to depart slightly late anyway (Regardless of the very good on time performance thus far)
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting TrojanAE (Reply 40):
Man if I was a passenger and we descended to 2000Ft (less than 500m!!!!) 50 miles after take off I'd be praying and screaming bloody murder. I mean being that low after take-off could have given some fearful flyer a heart attack. I know my mom already cringes every time the plane pitches down at acceleration height as she thinks we're sinking.

I believe that the pilot announced on this occasion what they were going to do and the passengers loved it!
 
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:04 am

I have been on an NZ flight from NSN-AKL in a SAAB 340 where the pilot took us on a sightseeing diversion. We took off from NSN and the pilot flew us low along the coast after departure from NSN, towards D'Urville Island and then low and slow across the strait between D'Urville and the mainland at 2000ft, all the while giving us a running commentary. He told us we were running a bit early and had a good tailwind, so wanted to show us some nice views. He even told us in advance to get our cameras/camcorders out to take advantage of the views.

After this we turned back on course and climbed for the remainder of the flight north to AKL. I have heard this happens quite a lot on the smaller prop flights in NZ, and it made the journey all the more special for us!

NZ certainly know how to look after their passengers, particularly on domestic flights. It would be a shame to see this spontanaeity end as you don't see it in most other places these days.

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Noel
 
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:53 am

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
An NZ B733 pilot flying a domestic flight from DUD-AKL has been stood down

What does "stood down" mean? Please forgive my ignorance for I am a "yank"  Smile
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:39 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 46):

Stood down means suspended from flying/duties pending further investagation
 
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:52 am

I heard that FAI has a DP that circles around Mt. McKinley... haven't checked it out for myself though. Everytime I fly from ANC to FAI and back on AS... we always do the scenic detour around the mountain.
 
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RE: NZ Pilot In Trouble Over Diversion For Ice Burg

Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:08 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 43):
Another story I read in a wings magazine a few months back when Norris was at the helm. An elderly couple had a daughter who was admitted to Invercargill Hospital after an accident, however she was transfered to Dunedin Hospital soon after. The Parents boarded an ATR72 flight to Invergcargill but when the crew heard about the daughters transfer, they diverted to Dunedin to drop the parents off before carrying on to IVC. This caused the aircraft to be 10-15 minutes late as well. No one on board complained about the delay and it was praised by managment.

Yes this is true and the patient was critically ill also .. Also this diversion was approved by management so it is majorly different .. If someone is dieing NZ will always do their best ..
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