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DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:28 am

Not that many people here will care, but Delta Connection's daily Jacksonville-Pensacola flight (which never made sense, at least to me, in the first place) is being discontinued. The last day is 2 April 2007.
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Evan767
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:01 am

Totally ridiculous route. Surely it was a money loser. Good to see it is ending.
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DeltaGuy
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:04 am

Good nonrev leg, but otherwise a total money loser. Loads are usually no more than 30 seats, which won't break even on a CRJ unless those tickets are full Y fares.

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jmc1975
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:06 am

Too bad they gave up on the route before US came to save the day!  Smile
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AmtrakGuy
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:44 am

What's the average fare for DL's JAX-PNS?

If Southwest open PNS Station, I'll bet you they'll fly JAX-PNS with a good load at low and reasonable fares. Look how they're doing well with JAX-FLL and JAX-TPA. Don't think they fly to MCO from JAX.
 
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:46 am

no surprise with that one, I was surprised they even started it in the first place. On another note, when did DL drop CVG-PNS again? I know it was restarted last year but I don't see it in the schedules anymore. Is there even any flights from CVG to the Florida panhandle anymore? At one time they had flights to PNS, VPS and PFN. Now it looks like everything to that region is funneled through ATL.
 
FlyPNS1
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:10 am

No surprise really. Given the short nature of this route, the biggest competitor was the car. DL's fares were too high and most people stayed with their vehicles.

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 5):
On another note, when did DL drop CVG-PNS again?

It was dropped back in December. As of now, none of the Gulf Coast airports between JAX and MSY have CVG service.

I think it could come back this summer, but who knows with DL and CVG.
 
flyibaby
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:04 am

I'm sure that it was created to entice alot of military traffic between the naval bases at JAX and PNS
 
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:21 am

Does Southwest still fly to JAX from Orlando? I recall in the past seeing a one-stop when searching for an airfare, it was ORF-JAX-MCO. I might be mistaken.
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flynavy
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:22 am

Also, is the WN MCO-TPA flight still operating, or was that DL Express?
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Danairbus
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:49 am

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 8):
ORF-JAX-MCO



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 8):
MCO-TPA

You cant book either flights non-stop on southwest.com. So most likely they do not operate those flights.
 
AirCop
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:58 am

PNS-JAX didn't even last seven months. Back in June I posted that this route wouldn't work, because PNS-JAX had nothing in common except for the Navy. People disagreed with me, but I guess that going east-west; people there are just used to driving.
 
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:16 pm

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
Also, is the WN MCO-TPA flight still operating, or was that DL Express?

Chris, it was DLX...I miss those short but sweet 732 runs- that leg was useful as it was an a/c repo for alot of the TPA flights DL had.

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 3):
Too bad they gave up on the route before US came to save the day!

You mean, before UselessAir comes to try to wreck DL's recovery?

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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:28 pm

I think TPA-MCO is a route that someone should try again. maybe on a Dash 8 or similar. A CRJ or ERJ wouldnt work, but I know there are a ton of commuters in the TPA area that work in MCO or vise versa. I4 is aweful.
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AirCop
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:47 pm

Quoting ExpressJet_ERJ (Reply 13):
I think TPA-MCO is a route that someone should try again.

Didn't America West operate a 757 on this route. LAS-TPA-MCO-PHX in the 1980's. Back to the question beside repostioning aircraft no one is going to make $$ flying that route, and by the time to drive to the airport, check-in, security, one would probably be able to drive the distance twice.
 
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:32 pm

DL will also be giving the axe to MKE-SLC -- currently being oeprated by OO CR9. It will soon be an EV CR7 then come APR it goes away. This is too bad , obviously not making enough $$.
 
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:59 pm

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 8):
Does Southwest still fly to JAX from Orlando?



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
Also, is the WN MCO-TPA flight still operating

WN only has 2 intra-florida routes from MCO.

MCO-FLL
MCO-RSW
 
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:27 pm

Quoting ExpressJet_ERJ (Reply 13):
I think TPA-MCO is a route that someone should try again. maybe on a Dash 8 or similar. A CRJ or ERJ wouldnt work, but I know there are a ton of commuters in the TPA area that work in MCO or vise versa. I4 is aweful.

I4 may be aweful, but there are plenty of things being done to improve traffic flow on I4, like the toll road around Lakeland, or widening to 3 lanes per direction throughout the entire Orlando area, and once traffic flow improves in Orlando, traffic flow between Tampa and Orlando will improve as well. No real need to waste an airplane on this route.
 
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
Loads are usually no more than 30 seats, which won't break even on a CRJ unless those tickets are full Y fares.

30 seats on a 45 seat RJ seems pretty full to me...
 
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:37 pm

A large chunk of the Navy ties this route might have served will disappear in the future when they move Navy OCS back to Newport, RI (according to the last BRAC).
 
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:59 am

Route lasted longer then predicted. Not the end of the world axing this route.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 11):
PNS-JAX didn't even last seven months

Seven Months! Is still a long time...Better then say a month..
 
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:42 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 14):
Didn't America West operate a 757 on this route. LAS-TPA-MCO-PHX in the 1980's.

Yes they did, but it was in the early 1990s....I believe as late as 1994.
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:46 am

Quoting ExpressJet_ERJ (Reply 13):
I think TPA-MCO is a route that someone should try again. maybe on a Dash 8 or similar. A CRJ or ERJ wouldnt work, but I know there are a ton of commuters in the TPA area that work in MCO or vise versa. I4 is aweful.

Having lived in both Tampa and now Orlando, I can tell you it's a fairly quick drive between the two cities....maybe 1hr15mins at most. Yes, as you come into each city you hit a little traffic, but the most it's ever taken me is 1hr30mins. When looking at the way air travel is set up (check in 45mins-1hour before departure), 25 mins flight, taxi to gate, deplane and get rental car, it would actually take longer to fly then to just drive it.
 
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:53 am

If any form of transportation needs to be considered between Orlando and Tampa, air travel is not the way to do it. MCO is essentially in the Southwest corner of the city (a good 10-15 minutes off of I-4 if traffic is good), which hurts it's cause. Really, the only two viable methods are expand I-4 (which is being done) and working on a frequent train service between the two cities - there's a train line that basically runs parallel to I-4; make it double track if necessary, get running speeds up to about 110 mph, and have limited stops (Orlando, Kissimmee, Lakeland, Tampa, maybe a few other stops); make it so that run time between the two cities is no more than 90 minutes or so, and with frequent service, the train should be a viable competitor.
 
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RE: DL: JAX-PNS Ending

Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:01 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 23):
MCO is essentially in the Southwest corner of the city (a good 10-15 minutes off of I-4 if traffic is good)

More like Southeast corner . Southwest Corner is where the unused Mickeyland STOLport is .

Oh yeah, might as well add:
http://www.trans4mation.org/ , for info on I-4 improvements and associated projects in the Greater Orlando Area.

[Edited 2007-01-22 20:02:39]

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