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Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:36 am

I don't know if the violent hand movement of the one who was shooting the video makes it look more dramatized than it really was but it surely looks very scary! Any idea what kind of plane is this? Looks like an AVRO RJ to me;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NQP21mPEdo (09.06 duration)

and a shortened version with just the aborted landing, at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTxCUcPY734

[Edited 2007-01-22 03:46:22]
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:43 am

Awesome video- what a ride in the cabin. I've never seen this from inside an aircraft. What airline is this? Maybe easyJet or BA?
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:54 am

Sounds like the FA was saying "The captain has discontinued the approach into Bern"?

Maybe Swiss or BA
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:55 am

Quoting ContinentalAUS (Reply 1):
What airline is this? Maybe easyJet or BA?

According to the comments on the video..........

"It was on a Flybe flight from Southampton to Bern last march 2006."
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Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:30 pm

Maybe it happened because someone was using an electronic device after the captain asked everyone to turn them off....
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:39 pm

What's with the music? Seriously, that got pretty annoying after a while.
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Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:19 pm

is this a Avroliner?
 
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Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:55 pm

Not easyjet, Easyjet only fly A319's! I was on a similar flight the other day when just before landing we ... i can't remember which ... i think it was a big tailwind that we hit, but we just fell out of the air from about 50 ft and hit the deck... we were not prepared for landing at all so we went straight back up again! dosn't do the plane's suspension any good those kind of landings!

[Edited 2007-01-22 13:56:26]
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:14 pm

Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 7):
Not easyjet, Easyjet only fly A319's!

And 737-700's...although they are being slowly retired from the fleet.
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:22 pm

That's a BAe-146 for anyone who didn't know.

Nice video, although it did look like he came down a little fast.. Not sure if that's the case though.

[Edited 2007-01-22 14:29:28]
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:37 pm

Lucky the BAe146 has a solid, pulled undercarriage.

anything with a straight oleo would have definitely been much more uncomfortable...
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:42 pm

Its a 146 with white engine convering so I guess Flybe or Swiss!

whoever it was, it would have knocked the fillings out of your teeth!
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:42 pm

Nice find. Good decision to abort the landing, from what I can see.
 
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Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:10 pm

Quoting Rwylie77 (Reply 8):
And 737-700's...although they are being slowly retired from the fleet.

Oh yeah! forgot about them, i'm based at gatwick and only ever see the 319's!

Quoting Turkee (Reply 12):
Nice find. Good decision to abort the landing, from what I can see.

It seems that when he was about 50 ft above the runway he hit wind shear or something like that and started falling, you can hear the engine's roar back in to life before they hit the deck indicating that the pilot decided to go around. They call the Avroliner the "flying pig" from what i've heard so if it was another airplane maybe they wouldn't have hit the deck!
 
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Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:17 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
Maybe it happened because someone was using an electronic device after the captain asked everyone to turn them off....

That's a joke, right?

Cool video.
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting Analog (Reply 14):
Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
Maybe it happened because someone was using an electronic device after the captain asked everyone to turn them off....


That's a joke, right?

Yes.

I'm always a little surprised to see these videos because every flight I've been on in the last 10 years has asked people to turn off things like video cameras as they take off or land. This person apparently chose to ignore that message.
 
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Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:39 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 15):

I'm always a little surprised to see these videos because every flight I've been on in the last 10 years has asked people to turn off things like video cameras as they take off or land. This person apparently chose to ignore that message.

In this case, aren't you glad he or she did?
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:43 pm

The main reason for asking people to turn of electronical equipment for takeoff and landing is that most of it draws the attention of the user away from whats going on, e.g. laptops, ipods. On the Critical phases of flight passengers need to be aware of what is going on incase of evacuation commands or to be able to alert a crew member if they see anything wrong (big fire instead of engine, wing missing hehe). I guess a videocamera looking out the window dosn't draw the attention of the user too much, or if it does only to the right thing!
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:50 pm

I've never been on a BAe146, but it looked like he was coming in a little quick right from the beginning...Then add a dash of windshear and you've got a nice receipe for a go around
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Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:14 am

Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 17):
The main reason for asking people to turn of electronical equipment for takeoff and landing is that most of it draws the attention of the user away from whats going on, e.g. laptops, ipods. On the Critical phases of flight passengers need to be aware of what is going on incase of evacuation commands or to be able to alert a crew member if they see anything wrong (big fire instead of engine, wing missing hehe).

Then why are pax allowed to read books/magazines, use earplugs, or sleep during takeoff and landing? If pax attention is the real reason for the electronics ban, then these things should also be banned. Sleeping especially is much more distracting than an iPod.
 
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:20 am

meh they can only do so much. I'm only reciting what i got told on my training.
 
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (VIDEO)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:21 am

Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 17):
The main reason for asking people to turn of electronical equipment for takeoff and landing is that most of it draws the attention of the user away from whats going on, e.g. laptops, ipods. On the Critical phases of flight passengers need to be aware of what is going on incase of evacuation commands or to be able to alert a crew member if they see anything wrong (big fire instead of engine, wing missing hehe). I guess a videocamera looking out the window dosn't draw the attention of the user too much, or if it does only to the right thing!

Also;

I was on a Finnair flight from Helsinki and on approach to Tallinn I was nicely told to put my camcorder away.
The FA said incase of an emergency it could become a flying object hazard.
Fair enough.
 
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (VIDEO)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting PilotRecruit (Reply 18):
The main reason for asking people to turn of electronical equipment for takeoff and landing is that most of it draws the attention of the user away from whats going on, e.g. laptops, ipods.

True, but also, any item of electronic equipment such as a laptop, camera etc has a material denstiy/weight/sharp corners such as to inflict injury in case of sudden turbulence/impacts with the runway, if the object flies out of the persons hands.

And in case of emergency evacuation, the less things are strewn about the cabin, the better, as they will hamper your exit (particularly with smoke, at night etc).

I was surprised to read a thread somethime ago suggesting that 737's were subject to interference from mobiles.

On Airbus aircraft, whilst there is some interference (proved when slapping a mobile over the avionics box - hardly likely!), it is distinctly obvious (ie the instrument error is clearly a fault).

The main reason for not allowing phones to be used is that whilst you are flying about at 450mph, your mobile phone is hopping from one signal relay aerial on the ground to the next so quickly it saturates the mobile phone network as the system works overtime to try and follow you.

Mobile phone operators apparently hate that.
 
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:24 am

Quoting Comeflywithme (Reply 21):
The FA said incase of an emergency it could become a flying object hazard.

So can hardcover books and, to a lesser degree, lap children.

But... most camcorders have straps that make it basically impossible to drop them accidentally. Of course had you tried to explain that to the FA you'd have been asking for trouble: interfering with flight crew, or whatever.
 
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 17):
The main reason for asking people to turn of electronical equipment for takeoff and landing is that most of it draws the attention of the user away from whats going on, e.g. laptops, ipods. On the Critical phases of flight passengers need to be aware of what is going on incase of evacuation commands or to be able to alert a crew member if they see anything wrong (big fire instead of engine, wing missing hehe). I guess a videocamera looking out the window dosn't draw the attention of the user too much, or if it does only to the right thing!

 redflag 
It's because some devices might interfere with aircraft systems. Some don't, some do. So they have a blanket rule. Only crew members (and sometimes jumpseaters) are required to be aware and not do anything like reading and sleeping.
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting PilotRecruit (Reply 18):
I've never been on a BAe146, but it looked like he was coming in a little quick right from the beginning...Then add a dash of windshear and you've got a nice receipe for a go around

That was indeed a rough bounce. Just goes to show you how tough the 146 is. It looked as though they were fighting a heck of a crosswind too. Nice video.
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:29 am

I've been in an Aegean Airlines BAe146 once, for a route i take 6 times each year and the ride seemed a bit more bumpy than usual, but it sure is a very able aircraft. Only problem is i am 6 feet 3 inches tall and there's no way my feet will fit in those seats! Next time it was a 320 and a b737 for me, for the same route  Wink
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:40 am

Quoting DeC (Reply 26):
I've been in an Aegean Airlines BAe146 once, for a route i take 6 times each year and the ride seemed a bit more bumpy than usual, but it sure is a very able aircraft. Only problem is i am 6 feet 3 inches tall and there's no way my feet will fit in those seats! Next time it was a 320 and a b737 for me, for the same route

I have flown on the BAE146 many times. They are one of my favorite birds. I would fly on them any day, anytime, anywhere. They sure are becoming a rare bird on this side of the pond.
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 24):
It's because some devices might interfere with aircraft systems. Some don't, some do. So they have a blanket rule. Only crew members (and sometimes jumpseaters) are required to be aware and not do anything like reading and sleeping.

I may be wrong, but isn't it only mobile phones or blackberry things that are supposed to be switched off the entire flight the items that interfere with aircraft systems.

And to the guy who said mobile phones don't really interfere with aircraft systems... they do... last time i sat in the flightdeck for landing we kept on getting the sound just before you get called or recieve a text message over the radio... captain did a PA to make sure all mobile's were switched off and it stopped about 10 seconds after! didn't come back again.
 
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:46 am

There was a comment at the short video Webpage that said that aluminum wasn't combustible, but that doesn't strike me as right at all.

In any event, I thought that the video was dramatic, but things seemed to be under control.
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:49 am

See this thread about cell phone usage during flight.
For God's Sake, Switch Off Your Damn Cell Phones.. (by Pilotaydin Jan 11 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:01 am

 
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:06 am

Yeah its a flyBE aircraft. Is that music piped in to the cabin or edited on to the video? It is very annoying!!
 
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting COA735 (Reply 31):
Sorry, I just had to do it.

Wow, is that real?? Someone should start a thread on it!!
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 33):
Wow, is that real?? Someone should start a thread on it!!

I think the actual landing is real. The ATC chatter sounds fake.
 
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:41 am

In the video I liked the announcement by the F/A "For technical reasons the captain has discontinued the approach into Bern, if we have any additional information we will keep you updated." But no new updates come.
I think that is a rather strange announcement.
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:47 am

Quoting COA735 (Reply 34):
I think the actual landing is real. The ATC chatter sounds fake.

Its all fake and it isn't the ATC sound you are hearing. Its the home recorded sound that simulates the intercom with the FA and the Public anouncement.

Ontopic. Thats indeed a rough touch and go. It looks like the pilot did react on winds or something but he wasn't aware of the strength. Nice work.
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:09 am

Quoting COA735 (Reply 34):
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 33):
Wow, is that real?? Someone should start a thread on it!!

I think the actual landing is real. The ATC chatter sounds fake.

Sorry, just joking. That video pops up here about once a month with someone asking if it is real.
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:25 am

Quoting Sevenair (Reply 32):
Yeah its a flyBE aircraft. Is that music piped in to the cabin or edited on to the video? It is very annoying!!

It's from ENNIO MORICONNE's the good the bad the ugly original score and it was edited afterwards, on top of the video. It's a tremendously known and successful score but not when laid on top of this video, annoying result indeed.

[Edited 2007-01-22 19:27:57]
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:52 am

Could some kind soul who works as an FA or who works with the FAA, ICAO, etc., or who ACTUALLY knows of such a website, please post a website where those who are interested go and read WHY electronic devices are to be turned off during the take-off and landing phases of commercial flights? This would be very educational to everyone.
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:08 am

"For technical reasons the Captain has discontinued the approach" HAHAHA!!!

Why not just say "The Captain has just ballooned this sucker and is going to have another stab at it, you may turn on your cellphone now to call your relatives to ensure you have decent medical insurance!"

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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:14 am

Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 28):

And to the guy who said mobile phones don't really interfere with aircraft systems... they do... last time i sat in the flightdeck for landing we kept on getting the sound just before you get called or recieve a text message over the radio... captain did a PA to make sure all mobile's were switched off and it stopped about 10 seconds after! didn't come back again.

Must have been a GSM phone, which can be heard like this in all sorts of audio equipment (pulsing sounds right before they ring/get a message). What's up with that? No CDMA phones do this kind of thing. Silly Europeans and their standards.  duck 
 
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:29 am

Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 17):
he main reason for asking people to turn of electronical equipment for takeoff and landing is that most of it draws the attention of the user away from whats going on, e.g. laptops, ipods.



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 24):
It's because some devices might interfere with aircraft systems. Some don't, some do. So they have a blanket rule. Only crew members (and sometimes jumpseaters) are required to be aware and not do anything like reading and sleeping.

NWADC9 is right. I've actually seen the instruments affected by electronic devices before. Although it is rare, I definitely don't want my localizer being interfered with shooting an ILS down to mins.

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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting Cumulus (Reply 40):
Why not just say "The Captain has just ballooned this sucker and is going to have another stab at it, you may turn on your cellphone now to call your relatives to ensure you have decent medical insurance!"

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

As an add-on after they landed, the captain says: "Flight attendents secure doors and check for missing parts..."

Brings to mind an old joke: "Was that a landing or were we shot down?"

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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:45 am

Thanks DeC for posting this video, I did not know about before.

Quoting Analog (Reply 41):
Silly Europeans and their standards.

Analog, are you serious or joking?


Here some facts:

This is definitely a FlyBe RJ100 into Bern Switzerland LSZB/BRN. Bern is my home-airport, our Legacy can also be seen in the Go Around, parked in front of the terminal. This season of the year, this video was taken, we only get FlyBe with RJ's in. LX only does operate in summer season on charter flights to the Mediterranean.

The kind of approach this crew was flying, is the ILS 14, circling for RWY 32. Circling 32 is a visual circling with a prescribed flight track. If the winds are strong, this can be a very turbulent and demanding approach which can be though to handle. But at the points the worst turbulence's would encounter, this plane was relatively stable. The local situation creates on final 32 severe rotors, mid final kind of headwind and finally a tailwind situation. The bad thing of the story is that tailwind on RWY 14 under this situation are even worse, so the approach 32 is the better of the two bad options....

So here I can imagine that the crew was attentive to fly exactly at the calculated approach speed, as they sometimes get nervous, as the runway is only 1'520 meters. This seems to be confirmed for me, as after finally landing, they stopped the plane rather short and turned around after around 1'000 meters, although at the end of the runway would be a nice turning pad.

So in a situation with rather light winds, having a slight headwind on medium final of some 10 knots, turning in to a tailwind of some 5, 6 knots over the threshold and starting the flare out rather early, as they want to land on the markings, it could lead quickly in this hard touchdown as we can see it here.

I am pretty sure, this situation has nothing to do with a cellphone, neither were strong windshear in the game here. It was rather an altogether of the local geographic, the short runway and a crew not flying in to frequent.

In winter 06 another FlyBe crew was undershooting the final-approach on the ILS 14 that much that roofing tiles of houses some 1.5 miles in the final were flying away. Then FlyBe started to use RWY 32 as preferential RWY, as people got crazy about flying roofing parts. The airport is pretty close to town and they got afraid of being hit.
But how do we say? Everybody can do mistakes, so did I and so will do others.

Cheers
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting Analog (Reply 41):
Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 28):

And to the guy who said mobile phones don't really interfere with aircraft systems... they do... last time i sat in the flightdeck for landing we kept on getting the sound just before you get called or recieve a text message over the radio... captain did a PA to make sure all mobile's were switched off and it stopped about 10 seconds after! didn't come back again.

ahem I believe you'd be referring to me
:o)

Be interested to know which type of a/c you were flying on.

In relationship to Airbuses, I can guarantee that there is no mobile phone interference, they have tested all avionics to check, and have shielded where appropriate, hence you can now select some rather expensive options to enable people to use their phones in flight.

The main purpose of the relay station installed is to concentrate data into a single source via one uplink.

a) enables phones to remain on low transmit setting.
b) prevents ground stations from being perturbed trying to track a phone travelling at 450mph, something the ground networks were never conceived to do.

When the PA announcement comes up to say switch off electronic devices, that means devices equipped with any type of radio transmission.
That includes wifi, bluetooth etc etc etc.

And btw: to get that pulsating sound from mobile phones you refer to, you have to be within 15ft of the said equipment.
So it probably was one of the crew's phone getting a text message!
 
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 37):
Sorry, just joking. That video pops up here about once a month with someone asking if it is real.

I Didn't know that. I'm new here.  Smile
 
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:20 am

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 44):

Analog, are you serious or joking?

Joking, though it's amazing that phones made to the GSM standard (actually all TDMA systems) generate such massive VLF interference. Thankfully CDMA phones don't have this problem.
 
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:01 am

How come aircraft aren't affected by the hundreds of thousands of electronic equipment on the ground around airports and approach paths? As far as I'm aware radio signals are all around us.
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RE: Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)

Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:23 am

Quoting Lhrneighbour (Reply 48):
How come aircraft aren't affected by the hundreds of thousands of electronic equipment on the ground around airports and approach paths? As far as I'm aware radio signals are all around us.

They sometimes ARE affected by such radio signal emitters. That is why pilots are encouraged to report unexplained abberations in use of navigational equipment on board, especially in the landing phase of flight. If the ADF, the Localizer, the Glideslope deviates from normal and your cross-check shows everything to be on the correct numbers, report that. You never know... you might save someone's life!

Also, don't assume that just because the electronic device you want to use during take-off or landing does not "transmit" anything (such as a cell phone, a 2-way radio, a computer with a wireless connection, etc.) that the same device cannot or does not interefere with other equipment on the aircraft. ALL electronic equipment is capable of generating radio frequency interference, whether designed to do so or not. The very act of turning on a Game-Boy, a CD player, or some other type of electronic equipment generates at least a momentary radio frequency action, albeit a very small one.

Nonetheless, because every airliner manufacturer cannot test every electronic device in every aircraft model and configuration to see if one particular electronic device does or does not interfere with equipment on the aircraft, the general rule is, and HAS to be, "turn of all electronic devices".... period.
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