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787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:19 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6288005.stm

That's what's struck me as odd:

Demand for the firm's 787 Dreamliner jet, which goes into service next year, has helped boost Boeing's results.

Did I miss something?...
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:21 am

The 787 goes into service with ANA in 2008. First flight is anticipated to take place later this year.  Smile

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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:21 am

Tey are taking in deposits on all of those planes.
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:25 am

Thanks! I thought it was another 2-3 years away!  Yeah sure
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
even if there is a coupe of month delay...better to have a two month delay than a two year delay... Wink

"ANA, which is the launch customer for the new aircraft, said it was confident it would receive the first of 50 orders on time in May 2008."

What 2 month delay, if ANA is getting their aircraft ON TIME?
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
.even if there is a coupe of month delay.



Quoting Khobar (Reply 8):
What 2 month delay, if ANA is getting their aircraft ON TIME?

that's why I stated even if there were a two month delay..not that there will be.... Wink
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:01 am

Delivery of the FIRST 787 to ANA is already been scheduled... April 28th, 2008. EIS in May, 2008. Just watch... we will show you how to get a plane in the air on time.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:04 am

By the end of 2008 there will be more 787's in customer service than A380's.
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:13 am

Heck, by the end of 2007, there looks to be as many 787's in service as A380's or at least within one. We'll have to wait and see if SQ puts one aircraft in service by itself.
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:16 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
that's why I stated even if there were a two month delay..not that there will be...

Thanks. I read it with different inflection (the is did it).
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:29 am

NW receives theirs in like August or July of 2008, I can't wait!
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:49 am

While were on the subject, has anyone heard anything about first flight. It seems from what I've heard that they are starting to receive parts. Does June seem like a reasonable target for the flight.
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:54 am

Quoting Mkorpal (Reply 12):
While were on the subject, has anyone heard anything about first flight. It seems from what I've heard that they are starting to receive parts. Does June seem like a reasonable target for the flight.

I think first flight is actually scheduled for August. I'm sure rollout will be before that and we'll already have had several looks at it.  Smile
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:10 am

First Japanese parts were delivered earlier this month to Vought. Those parts will be mated to the US and Italian barrels. Then Transported by air to Everett. Final assembly will happen there and in only a few months.

The first one will roll off the assembly line in March or April I believe.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:15 am

Perhaps Boeing will do a round the US/round the world tour? I think it would be great if they flew into some of the biggie airports to show off their craft..

didn't the Concord do something like that? Thats the only reason why I could see it in some of the places it was photographed!
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:56 pm

Quoting Mkorpal (Reply 11):
While were on the subject, has anyone heard anything about first flight. It seems from what I've heard that they are starting to receive parts. Does June seem like a reasonable target for the flight.

Everything I've heard (from family in the company) suggests a rollout in June or July and a first flight in August. It's crunch time for Boeing, let's hope they keep up with the schedule.
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:08 pm

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 6):
Delivery of the FIRST 787 to ANA is already been scheduled... April 28th, 2008. EIS in May, 2008. Just watch... we will show you how to get a plane in the air on time.

That's right! Two year delays what? The guys at Boeing know how to get it done.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10):
NW receives theirs in like August or July of 2008, I can't wait!

Neither can I! I can't wait to watch it touch down at MSP for the first time, and be assured, as soon as she starts to fly out of MSP, I'll be booking a ticket on it, regardless of where it is going.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 15):
Quoting Mkorpal (Reply 11):
While were on the subject, has anyone heard anything about first flight. It seems from what I've heard that they are starting to receive parts. Does June seem like a reasonable target for the flight.

Everything I've heard (from family in the company) suggests a rollout in June or July and a first flight in August. It's crunch time for Boeing, let's hope they keep up with the schedule.

It'll certainly be all pins and needles from here till roll out. I've got faith that they know what they are doing... if anyone has proven to be truly a virtuoso at the large aircraft business, it has been boeing.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:45 pm

I can't wait for it to EIS, especially with LOT, which I often fly. But I wouldn't be so confident about it being so perfectly on time. I understand that boeing is a very well organized and developed company, and they are confident to what they say. But in such modernized aircraft with many new technologies, a small trip could cause a delay. But I wish them good luck, and hope that 787 will grace the skies soon.
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:21 pm

Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 8):
Heck, by the end of 2007, there looks to be as many 787's in service as A380's or at least within one. We'll have to wait and see if SQ puts one aircraft in service by itself.



it will be a long wait , SQ have ordered 787-9s which will not be available at that time - they will not get them until end 2010/early 2011  Big grin
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:27 pm

I can't wait to see the 787 in SAN or LAX next year... somewhere nearby me where I can get some shots!
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:54 pm

I know that Boeing awared some kind of work to a brand new facility at the CHS airport for the 787 project. Of course the plant is up and running, but does anyone know what part they play in all of this. I would compare this facility in terms of size with the five football fields.
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:03 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 18):
Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 8):
Heck, by the end of 2007, there looks to be as many 787's in service as A380's or at least within one. We'll have to wait and see if SQ puts one aircraft in service by itself.

it will be a long wait , SQ have ordered 787-9s which will not be available at that time - they will not get them until end 2010/early 2011

I think he was talking about the A380, not the 787.

Anyway, I'm amazed that the first flight is this year! It seems like just yesterday I was reading the news paper and saw the tiny little article on Boeing's new 7E7.

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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:08 pm

Quoting FlyingKangaroo (Reply 21):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 18):
Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 8):
Heck, by the end of 2007, there looks to be as many 787's in service as A380's or at least within one. We'll have to wait and see if SQ puts one aircraft in service by itself.

it will be a long wait , SQ have ordered 787-9s which will not be available at that time - they will not get them until end 2010/early 2011

I think he was talking about the A380, not the 787.

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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:51 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 15):
Everything I've heard (from family in the company) suggests a rollout in June or July and a first flight in August.

If that's true chances it will enter service by next year's may are slim.
10 months for a complete certification process is very short.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:50 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 14):
Perhaps Boeing will do a round the US/round the world tour? I think it would be great if they flew into some of the biggie airports to show off their craft..

Totally.
Bet they will fly it to the HUB airports of the airlines that ordered it and to places that supplied large parts.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:21 pm

The whole experience of getting the 787 to market has [so far] been a much more enjoyable experience than the A380. I think that the problems, delays and dropped orders for the 380 somewhat masked the fact that the A380 is a successful airliner (in that it got off the ground).
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:49 pm

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 23):
If that's true chances it will enter service by next year's may are slim.
10 months for a complete certification process is very short.

Not really - Boeing, anyway, normally plan on around a year from first flight to certification/delivery. Most recent example was the 777-200LR:-

Rollout - Feb. 2005.
First flight - March 2005.
Certification - Feb. 2006.
First delivery Feb. 2006.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:58 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 27):
Not really - Boeing, anyway, normally plan on around a year from first flight to certification/delivery. Most recent example was the 777-200LR:-

Rollout - Feb. 2005.
First flight - March 2005.
Certification - Feb. 2006.
First delivery Feb. 2006.

Ah but this is an 'upgrade' from the 200 so wouldnt that mean that it doesnt have to go through the stringent processes for certification as they have dont a lot of the testing with the 772.
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:12 pm

As I understand it, Albird87, a lot of the certification process is a formality, provided that the aeroplane has been designed properly in the first place. What counts (and takes the time) is the flight test programme, during which both the manufacturers and the certifiers satisfy themselves that the aeroplane performs up to specification. The 772LR test programme started in May 2005 and finished in December. If you'd like to read a 'blow-by-blow' account of what the 772LR test programme entailed, see here:-

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777...amily/200LR/flight_test/index.html

Hopefully Boeing will start a similar 'Flight Test Journal' for the 787 later this year. Should be a fun read.  Smile
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:21 pm

Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 26):

When the A380 was half a year before first flight, it looked as bright and enjoyable. Hard times start at first flight, they do not end there. The 777 introduction took 12 month between maiden flight and first delivery, so 10 month look ambitious - good luck to all of you who are involved.
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:27 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 27):
Quoting Aviopic (Reply 23):
If that's true chances it will enter service by next year's may are slim.
10 months for a complete certification process is very short.

Not really - Boeing, anyway, normally plan on around a year from first flight to certification/delivery. Most recent example was the 777-200LR:-

Rollout - Feb. 2005.
First flight - March 2005.
Certification - Feb. 2006.
First delivery Feb. 2006.

Isnt an enhancement of an existing design subjuct to a shorter certification process than a clean sheet design, eg no evac test, (presumably) no static test frame, etc? However there wil be several 787 test aircraft so many things can be done at the same time.

[Edited 2007-01-23 12:27:59]
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:36 pm

Ten months from FF to EIS will be a magnificent acheivement. Good luck!
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:40 pm

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 28):
Ah but this is an 'upgrade' from the 200 so wouldnt that mean that it doesnt have to go through the stringent processes for certification as they have dont a lot of the testing with the 772.

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So it took already 12 months to get an upgrade certified.
Now we are talking about a complete new A/C with quite some new features like the plastic fuselage and bleedless engines.
Apart from Boeing's own planning they have to deal with the FAA as well, don't know whether they already specified the certification criteria for the new items.

As mentioned Airbus was also right on target during the design process, it is when you start to put the thing together and enter the test flight/certification program when things can go badly wrong.

I am not saying they can't do it but to me it seems very little time for a lot of work.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:19 pm

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 33):
As mentioned Airbus was also right on target during the design process, it is when you start to put the thing together and enter the test flight/certification program when things can go badly wrong.

I think this should read WE THOUGHT at that time that Airbus was on schedule,fact is that Airbus failed to inform everyone when they saw they were going to miss there schedule by a large margin.

We have to admit at leadt one thing, at Boeing they seem tohave their shit together when it comes to planning.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:59 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 14):
Perhaps Boeing will do a round the US/round the world tour? I think it would be great if they flew into some of the biggie airports to show off their craft..

Well, the difference with respect to Concorde was Concorde needed the promotions (it had a lot of orders early, but suffered a wave of cancellations mostly tied to the Arab Oil Embargo of the early 1970s), and had a fair amount of available time till the whole landing rights squabble got sorted out.

To avoid the inevitable a.net squabble that arises every time the word Concorde is included in a post, I will include a short version of right here, to save a lot of typing and a lot of bandwidth and storage space: it was all the American's fault. No it was not. Yes it was. No it was not! Yes it was! NO IT WAS NOT! YES IT WAS!

Quoting ArniePie (Reply 34):
I think this should read WE THOUGHT at that time that Airbus was on schedule,fact is that Airbus failed to inform everyone when they saw they were going to miss there schedule by a large margin.

It still angers me that Airbus was blaming the customer IFE specifications when they knew (or bloody well should have known) the root cause was using two incompatible versions of CATIA. I hope to never again see such shenanigans from any aircraft manufacturer - such things shake customer confidence to the core, and set back the entire aviation industry.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:13 pm

Anyone knows if the 787 will be at Farnborough this year?
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:18 pm

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 30):
When the A380 was half a year before first flight, it looked as bright and enjoyable. Hard times start at first flight, they do not end there.

The "wiring harness imbroglio" which has derailed the A380 program wasn't uncovered by the flight-test program, Airbus executives knew there was a serious problem from the time fuselage components for the first few airframes began arriving at Toulouse for final assembly, perhaps even earlier. From the day MSN001 was trumphantly rolled-out in January 2005, there was a well developed cancer growing on the program.

[Edited 2007-01-23 15:02:00]
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:52 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 37):
The "wiring harness imbroglio" which has derailed the A380 program wasn't uncovered by the flight-test program, Airbus executives knew there was a serious problem from the time fuselage components for the first few airframes began arriving at Toulouse for final assembly, perhaps even earlier.

There were murmurs that major A380 parts that should have shown up at Toulouse with the wiring installed already were not showing up with the wiring installed already. In retrospect that's certainly something that should have gotten swift and effective management resolution. On the other hand, perhaps that's when the coverup started. Or something in-between: they knew a major foul-up was underway, and they had no hope of correcting it, so they turned a blind eye to the whole situation, and a few discretly sold off a bunch of their Airbus shares.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:58 pm

Quoting ArniePie (Reply 34):
at Boeing they seem tohave their shit together when it comes to planning.
Cudos to them

Guess we just don't know, at least I don't.
The investors seems to think that the project is delayed.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/290032_boeingearns26.html
http://washingtontimes.com/business/20060716-114207-8419r.htm
http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=18251

The rumors are denied by Boeing as Airbus did.
We will know in May 2008.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:06 am

It is always interesting to see how differently the two corporate cultures are and how they handle the roll out of a new type.

From what I have read, the first sections are being assembled now in SC.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 20):
I know that Boeing awared some kind of work to a brand new facility at the CHS airport for the 787 project. Of course the plant is up and running, but does anyone know what part they play in all of this. I would compare this facility in terms of size with the five football fields.

That is not Boeing. That is Vought and Alenia facilities. Vought produces the Section 47/48 aft fues and the Vought/Alenia building next door integrates the 47/48 together and also the 43/44/11/45/46 together to make the central fues.
The facilities are in the 200,000-300,000sq ft range. Pretty big.  

Quoting EI321 (Reply 31):
Isnt an enhancement of an existing design subjuct to a shorter certification process than a clean sheet design, eg no evac test, (presumably) no static test frame, etc? However there wil be several 787 test aircraft so many things can be done at the same time.

Yes but they did it with one frame and it wasn't flying all that much honestly. The 787 will have 6 frames in testing and we'll be flying the heck out of them. We will be on time... no worries.

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 39):
Guess we just don't know, at least I don't.
The investors seems to think that the project is delayed.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/290032_boeingearns26.html
http://washingtontimes.com/business/20060716-114207-8419r.htm
http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=18251

The rumors are denied by Boeing as Airbus did.
We will know in May 2008.

Anyone can deny rumors... cause that is what they are. Usually no fact behind them. I'm not sure about in Europe and for Airbus but its against federal law (SEC) to NOT disclose even potential business problems to your investors at least. I guarrantee you at this point there is no delays. We would all know it as Boeing would be required to disclose it.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 40):
From what I have read, the first sections are being assembled now in SC.

Yes... that is correct. Section 43 and 11/45 are being assembled by Vought/Alenia integrators.

[Edited 2007-01-23 19:26:28]
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:23 am

Its hard to believe that it was 2004 when the first orders came in (ANA and NZ) and now we are in 2007
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:39 am

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 39):
The rumors are denied by Boeing as Airbus did.

The rumors weren't denied:

Quote:
Pietro's report focused on some 787 production issues that McNerney and other Boeing executives have disclosed previously.

For example, Pietro wrote that Alenia, Boeing's partner in Italy that is supplying the rear fuselage, is the "major culprit" in the behind-schedule work.

"We understand that Boeing has sent an army of engineers to help get the program back on track," he wrote.

But Mike Bair, Boeing's 787 program vice president and general manager, said last month that Alenia was behind schedule.

Leach, Boeing's 787 spokeswoman, said Monday that there are "pockets" of delays with 787 suppliers and partners. Boeing is sending resources where needed, she said.



Quoting Aviopic (Reply 39):
The investors seems to think that the project is delayed.

What do the "investors" think today?

Quote:
Shares of Boeing gained more than 2 percent Tuesday, a day after the stock fell nearly 3 percent after a Wachovia analyst forecast a six-month production delay on Boeing's 787 jet.



Quoting Beech19 (Reply 6):
Just watch... we will show you how to get a plane in the air on time.

You know, if it's delayed even two weeks, the Airbus cheerleaders will equate it to the two year A380 delay.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:41 am

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 39):

The rumors are denied by Boeing as Airbus did.

No, Boeing has been far more up-front about their progress than Airbus was. Corporate governance laws require this.

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 39):
The investors seems to think that the project is delayed.

No, one analyst (who may or may not be correct) seem to think that. Some investors traded on that. Many other investors clearly disagree, as Boeing's stock has recovered much of its loss. Furthermore, if investors really believed that it was seriously delayed, the stock would have taken a much more serious tanking.

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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:41 am

Haven't they done that already just on the rumors?
 
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:57 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 42):
You know, if it's delayed even two weeks, the Airbus cheerleaders will equate it to the two year A380 delay.

Good thing the airlines don't care what cheerleaders say. Only what their ledger says and at this rate it looks like 787's will be making money for airlines on time.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:29 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 42):
What do the "investors" think today?



Quoting N328KF (Reply 43):
No, one analyst (who may or may not be correct) seem to think that.

According this analyst still the same so it seems.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...nology/2003536212_webboeing22.html

Quoting N328KF (Reply 43):
What agenda are you pushing?

What do you mean ?
I've no dealings with A nor B, wish them both the very best but in all honesty I don't care either.
For this reason I did not give my personal opinion but only reflected on press releases that can be found.
Like I already posted in reply 38:

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 38):
Guess we just don't know, at least I don't.

I don't know who's right or wrong and have no desire to know as well.

What remains is that 8 months for a flight test and certification program is very short.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:44 am

Its not 8 months it's 10. You using up bandwidth restating the same story is pushing an opinion whether you deny it or not. I didn't see you quote any of the analyst's that say Boeing is doing fine. So don't act all innocent when people disagree with you and point out the fallacies in your statements.

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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:02 am

Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 47):
Its not 8 months it's 10.

Still very short.

Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 47):
You using up bandwidth restating the same story is pushing an opinion whether you deny it or not.

I don't have to deny anything because there is nothing to deny, I did not post my opinion whether there is a delay or not.
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
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Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 47):
I didn't see you quote any of the analyst's that say Boeing is doing fine.

Me not either............ so ?

Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 47):
So don't act all innocent when people disagree with you and point out the fallacies in your statements.

My statement was and still is that there is very little time for the flight test and certification program based on my own 26 years of aviation experience in which I took part in several similar actions.

The rest are quotes from your US-press and not my words let alone my opinion.
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RE: 787 To Enter Service Next Year?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:26 am

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 48):
The rest are quotes from your US-press and not my words let alone my opinion.

That you carefully selected and published here on A-net.

The original 777 flight test program lasted 12 months and started less than 4 years after program launch. It was Boeing's first commercial FBW aircraft, with larger, more powerul engines than any other aircraft ever, the first aircraft with full 180 minute ETOPS cert at EIS. First aircraft with full built in self test system. It entered service less than 5 years from program launch.

So, since Boeing has repeatedly shown that they can and do meet milestones and goals... Your 25 years of aviation experience shows that its risky... Its pretty clear that you are not connected to Boeing or its suppliers or you would know the track record.

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