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AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:30 pm

No official press release yet but an item in this morning's Atlanta Journal-Constitution claims FL will start ATL to STL on May 8th and seasonal ATL to SAN on May 24th.

[Edited 2007-01-23 12:44:18]

[Edited 2007-01-23 12:45:01]

[Edited 2007-01-23 12:45:17]
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:42 pm

Good to hear!!

Also I believe there will be a 1X daily to MCO from STL.
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:06 am

I have some friends in STL so this is great news for me. I'll be using FL a lot MSY-ATL-STL. Also very nice to see SAN. I'd imagine the svc will go year-round eventually, as will SEA.
 
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:27 am

It's Official, STL and SAN are the new destinations! here's the press releases
Stl: 4x to ATL and 1x to MCO
http://pressroom.airtran.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=201565&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=952987&highlight=
San: 2x to ATL
http://pressroom.airtran.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=201565&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=952991&highlight=

[Edited 2007-01-23 16:37:56]
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:31 am

I just posted the same thing somone beat me to it!
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:57 am

lets look at the biggest cities that FL doesnt serve yet...

BNA
AUS
SAT
PDX
PVD
BDL
SLC

With these two new cities, FL is one step closer to PVD! Hopefully by 2008...
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:13 am

Nice to finally see concrete news of AirTran's long-expected arrival at SAN. I'm somewhat surprised though that the SAN service is being announced as being seasonal. It will be interesting to see if Delta responds by announcing an increase in its service to SAN from ATL.
 
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:14 am

Quoting Lindy Field (Reply 6):
Nice to finally see concrete news of AirTran's long-expected arrival at SAN. I'm somewhat surprised though that the SAN service is being announced as being seasonal. It will be interesting to see if Delta responds by announcing an increase in its service to SAN from ATL.

LOL... So much for fewer flights into SAN ehh....  Smile
 
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):
lets look at the biggest cities that FL doesnt serve yet...

BNA
AUS
SAT
PDX
PVD
BDL
SLC

With these two new cities, FL is one step closer to PVD! Hopefully by 2008...

FL used to serve BNA via GPT way back in the day. Of course it didn't last long, and was done at the request of the Beau Rivage. I think ATL-BNA would perform well though.
 
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:37 am

Now if Leonard and crew would only add ATL/BWI-SYR (maybe MCO, too) so I could use them when I go home instead of having to drive all the way from Rochester. They added DAB on this end, so why not make it even easier for me?  Wink
 
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:46 am

Will these be run with new a/c, or will there be corresponding schedule deletions elsewhere in the system? Or neither?
 
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:51 am

Airtrans planes are all new. 737-700 will be used 717 doesn't have the range. avg. age of 737 is about 1 1/2 years.
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:11 am

Will they be using the 717 or the 737 or a mix of both in STL?
 
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting Lindy Field (Reply 6):
Nice to finally see concrete news of AirTran's long-expected arrival at SAN. I'm somewhat surprised though that the SAN service is being announced as being seasonal. It will be interesting to see if Delta responds by announcing an increase in its service to SAN from ATL.

Morning Lindy'. I was going to post exactly the same thoughts that you did. Seasonal? SAN-ATL? Come on AirTran; if you're going to serve SAN, then please be serious about it!

I really doubt that they are going to all the trouble of setting up shop at Lindbergh only to shut it down in October... I see 2 realistic alternatives: either they will start other routes (e.g., IND, STL, MCO) before they "temporarily" stop the ATL flights or they will quickly change their minds about "seasonal" (after perhaps noting that DL kind of flys it year-round!) and more likely ADD flights to the route in the Fall.

My mind is already trying to place FL at SAN - counter space and a gate. My guess is T1, West End (between AS and UA, where F9/YX used to be) and using gate 19? (Otherwise, squeezed in T2 East near AA and gate 30-something.)

In any case, let the 2007 growth begin! Welcome to San Diego, AirTran.

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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:53 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
Welcome to San Diego, AirTran.

FINALLY!!! I fly SAN-ATL every 4 months, hopefully fares will drop.... lol

[Edited 2007-01-23 20:55:15]
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:59 am

Seasonal service to a city with no seasons?

That doesn't make any sense.

And completely ignoring the fact that San Diego is business destination probably more than it is a leisure one.

You'd think that being the, what is it?, the 2nd, 3rd largest city in California would mean something......

Unless, this is a veiled way of saying they are *testing* the market.
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:07 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
My mind is already trying to place FL at SAN - counter space and a gate. My guess is T1, West End (between AS and UA, where F9/YX used to be) and using gate 19? (Otherwise, squeezed in T2 East near AA and gate 30-something.)

Having re-thought this, I'm kinda' partial to the idea that FL just might want to slide in and cuddle up right next to YX's new ticket counter in T2...

One other thought: Delta now has extra incentive to keep those big beautiful 767s flying the SAN-ATL route as often as possible this year, especially after May 24!  Smile

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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:07 am

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 7):
LOL... So much for fewer flights into SAN ehh.... Smile

Yeah - when FL announced PHX, Delta doubled their seatcount for PHX-ATL... I'd look for a bolus of 763s just like we got here  Wink
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:15 am

Hmmm, lots of the same ideas coming out of lots of people at the same time --Lindy, Stirling, 'doctor, and myself... kind of spooky!

(And I'm not the least bit surprised, either.)

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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 15):
Seasonal service to a city with no seasons?

That doesn't make any sense.

Plus cruise ship season is during the winter months from Sept to May. SAN is definitely as year round destination. I hope SANFan is right in establishing IND and MCO non-stops from SAN in the future as well. I noticed no RON's, so gate space will obviously be shared with someone.
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:01 am

I'm still hoping for FL to announce SAT sometime this year. An as yet unnamed airline just requested two gates at SAT (Gates 8 & 9) and I was thinking it was either US or FL. Time will tell I guess.
 
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:05 am

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 19):
I noticed no RON's, so gate space will obviously be shared with someone.

Hi '990, I knew you'd be here.

You're right (of course); we're seeing these non-prefered times for FL just as we have from AC, YX and B6 (altho I think it's voluntary in the case of Blue) and I'm really curious to see where they end up gate-wise. I would expect FL would have loved a morning departure from SD as one of their flights...

On the other hand, at least we have 2 (SEASONAL!) flights for inaugural service rather than just 1. Unfortunately, the AirTran folks seem to be under the impression, as are so many other people on the planet (including some right here on A.net), that in October, the citizens of San Diego shutter up the windows, pull in the sidewalks and leave town in order to avoid the horrible winter weather soon to arrive! (Especially the military and cruise lines!) There's just nothing going on in the nation's 7th largest city between Fall and Spring -- it's just a ghost town here...  hissyfit 

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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:10 am

Announced on this thread already:
Big Announcement At STL Tomorrow... (by Boeing nut Jan 22 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:13 am

A nice fit for us and an excellant jumping point for out west! I wonder if we'll get some BWI-STL flights?
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting N200WN (Reply 20):
An as yet unnamed airline just requested two gates at SAT (Gates 8 & 9

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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:30 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):
lets look at the biggest cities that FL doesnt serve yet...

BNA
AUS
SAT
PDX
PVD
BDL
SLC

With these two new cities, FL is one step closer to PVD! Hopefully by 2008...

If FL were to come to PVD, I wonder what routes they would fly? Just ATL? I doubt they would try PHL or PVD where WN and US own things down at PVD.
 
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:11 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
Having re-thought this, I'm kinda' partial to the idea that FL just might want to slide in and cuddle up right next to YX's new ticket counter in T2...

Frontier handles counter and gate for Midwest in San Diego and could assume the duties for the merged Midtran airline, too.
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
My guess is T1, West End (between AS and UA, where F9/YX used to be) and using gate 19?

Not likely. Alaska needed special permission from the airport/security types for its temporary use of Gate 19 until Frontier vacated Gate 18. I don't think TSA likes having a separate set up down there and the airport doesn't want passengers on the tarmac to board planes...with the obvious exception being the Commuter Terminal.
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:24 am

OMG even San Diego is going to be seasonal???

I don't understand how they think buisinesspeople will take them seriously when they don't serve places like San Diego and Seattle year round. Atlanta is a huge market and they have scores of connecting flights to feed passengers there at the hub.
 
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:33 am

Not exactly off to a good start on their press release....

ORLANDO, Fla., Jan. 23 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- AirTran Airways, a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: AAI), today announced plans to begin seasonal service at San Diego International Airport (SAN). Starting May 24, 2007, the growing low-fare carrier will connect what San Diegans claim is "America's Finest City" to another world-class location, Atlanta. AirTran Airways will offer daily nonstop flights between San Diego and Hartsfield- Jackson Atlanta International Airport. San Diego is the 54th destination to be served by the award-winning low-fare airline.

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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:52 am

Finally! I've been waiting and waiting for this to start, I was wondering what was taking them so long, but seasonal wasn't what I expected to hear...

Oh well, let's see how they do and how it affects DL. I'm happy to see new services to SAN, believe me...
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:06 am

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 26):
Not likely. Alaska needed special permission from the airport/security types for its temporary use of Gate 19 until Frontier vacated Gate 18. I don't think TSA likes having a separate set up down there and the airport doesn't want passengers on the tarmac to board planes...with the obvious exception being the Commuter Terminal.

I've asked this before and will again hoping that someone can explain. Is there any talk of upgrading gate 19 with a ground-level jet-bridge like the ones they installed last year at gates 1 and 2 of T1?

With the real estate shortage on the tarmac at Lindbergh Field, how in the he!! can they have 2 gates now that are essentially useless: WN's gate 3 (used 95% of the time for 1 RON/day since it's land-locked between gates 2 and 4) and #19 which is hardly ever used for anything!? That computes to over 20% of the gate space at T1 is totally wasted!

We have new carriers starting service, others wanting to expand, and still more wanting to come to SAN yet we have 2 gates sitting unused!  banghead 

This kind of nonsense just drives me loopy!!! (I need an icy cold adult beverage.  champagne  Excuse me.)

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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:45 pm

If the airline is based in MCO...why not start MCO-SAN?
 
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:02 pm

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 31):
If the airline is based in MCO...why not start MCO-SAN?

Headquarters are in Orlando, the hub is in ATL
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:21 pm

Thats great to hear! Finally some way over-due competition for DL's SAN-ATL market. I find it interesting that FL would chose to only seasonally serve SAN as it has become quite the winter destination. The last time I flew ATL-SAN off-season the 763 was almost 100% full. Certainly a great step in FL's expanding network.

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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:13 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
Welcome to San Diego, AirTran.

Sweet!! I think the inauguaral flights are seasonal because AirTran wants to see how the loads are during that seasonal period and will come to a decision as to go year round or stay seasonal.AirTran seems to be careful in planning service to new cities.That's probably why It took so long to get service here.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 15):
*testing* the market.



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):
FL doesnt serve yet...

BNA
AUS
SAT
PDX
PVD
BDL
SLC

I don't know if FL would want to serve SLC.Salt Lake City is Delta country!
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:19 pm

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 34):
Sweet!! I think the inauguaral flights are seasonal because AirTran wants to see how the loads are during that seasonal period and will come to a decision as to go year round or stay seasonal.AirTran seems to be careful in planning service to new cities.That's probably why It took so long to get service here.

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plus watch to see if the frequency increases or capacity increases DL makes on the route expire after FL season ends...might suggest the viability of the larger equipment on the route..
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:57 pm

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 35):
plus watch to see if the frequency increases or capacity increases DL makes on the route expire after FL season ends...might suggest the viability of the larger equipment on the route..

I'd love to see a 767-400 return to ATL-SAN with DL... maybe this can make it happen?
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:07 pm

Hey SANMAN', I wondered when you'd join in!

Once the flights show up in the timetable/schedule, I will be very curious to see exactly how FL defines the "season" between SAN and ATL. The more I think about this, the more ridiculous it seems; Atlanta is about as "seasonal" a destination as SD is! It looks like lots of other A.netters feel the same way...

HPAEAA, it would surprise me if DL didn't protect the route; I am curious to see how they do it. Judging by the history of DL serving the route, up to and including this summer, and the continued use of wide bodies, they are quite successful with it. I'd bet DL figures this will NOT end up as "seasonal" service by FL.

Heck, maybe FL is playing games here with DL by declaring "seasonal" with no intention of actually doing it that way. It seems strange, however, that FL would lose out on all the end-of-the-year holiday business if they do not schedule those flights well ahead of time.

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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:12 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 32):

Actually, a San Diego Union-Tribune article today quoted an AirTran rep as saying the carrier would consider MCO-SAN if ATL-SAN is successful.

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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:34 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
I see 2 realistic alternatives: either they will start other routes (e.g., IND, STL, MCO) before they "temporarily" stop the ATL flights...



Quoting Trvlr (Reply 38):
Actually, a San Diego Union-Tribune article today quoted an AirTran rep as saying the carrier would consider MCO-SAN if ATL-SAN is successful.

Yahoooo! I'd better read the paper. I have been watching SAN.org and they haven't even gotten around to posting the existing FL news yet. I didn't think the Onion would get to it this fast...

Finally, you all may stop hearing me screaming for a SAN-MCO flight!  yell 

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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:51 pm

Quoting B737700doctor (Reply 11):
Airtrans planes are all new. 737-700 will be used 717 doesn't have the range. avg. age of 737 is about 1 1/2 years.

I think you may have misunderstood my question. I didn't mean "how old are the planes that will be used on these new routes?". I meant "In order to start these new routes, will Airtran pull planes off of existing routes, or will they buy more planes?" And, if the former, does anybody know which routes will go away in order to free up a/c to fly these new routes?
 
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:01 am

IIRC AirTran has 60 737's coming in the next four years. Not sure of the exact delivery dates, but these new markets could be coming from that added capacity. Also AirTran pulls back their Florida flying quite a bit in summer and fall, and some of the capacity could be coming from there as well.
 
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 37):
Hey SANMAN', I wondered when you'd join in!

Hey thanks!
I think AirTran will do well on the SAN-ATL flights.FL is popular and well known,and not a recent start-up.I have to agree that the "seasonal" thing is
bizarre,but it may just be some sort of ploy to see what Delta does.By the way, how long has the AirTran service been "seasonal" to Seattle?
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:20 am

AirTran has 87 717s (with 25 more on order  Wink)There are currently 40 737s in the fleet with twelve more due in 2007, fourteen in 2008, and thirty-four in 2009-2011. Some of the 737s will likely be repositioned up north later this year but there is still room for growth.
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RE: AirTran To Start STL And SAN

Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 27):
how they think buisinesspeople will take them seriously when they don't serve places like San Diego and Seattle year round

FL has flexibility in the event the market does not work. I think both markets will do well for them. Then again, this could be a ploy to ensure support (permanent gates and marketing $) from the cities.


Someone mentioned BNA on here, there are issues between FL and BNA fom the old ValuJet days.