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IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:47 am

A website called IranMania reports that IR plans to start direct flights between THR and CCS with a new A340 on March 1, 2007. The article does not say how many times a week this flight will operate, or whether it is a nonstop or one-stop flight.

I am surprised the first regularly scheduled route between the Middle East and South America is THR-CCS. Is this likely to be a profitable route?
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:55 am

A brand new A340 for IR?
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:58 am

It is no surprise if you followed the recent news from Venezuela and Iran. Venezuela and Iran are knitting close ties these days. Iran started up automotive industry in Venezuela, and Venezuela selling cheap oil to Iran, etc. Whether the route will be profitable or not, it is all about two good friends, Ahmadinejad and Chávez.
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:00 am

Wow that would be great !

Great to see the Venezuelan - Iranian relations so good !

But doubt they get a 340 ...

As Chavez and Ahmadineyad have signed new agreements (health,Infrastructure,Oil , etc) of about 19 bill. Dollars
a route between this countries could be profitable .

Hope this is true !

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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:01 am

Quoting Curious (Reply 1):
A brand new A340 for IR?

The article says that IR will "be using new Airbus 340s" on this route.
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:01 am

Quoting EuroBonus (Reply 2):
nd Venezuela selling cheap oil to Iran

The Iranians don´t need cheap oil , they´ve enough .
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:03 am

Quoting IAD380 (Thread starter):
Is this likely to be a profitable route?

it could be if there will be a lot of business traffic.

Will this be operated by a Venezuelan carrier with IR code on it?

where will IR get an A340 from?

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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:06 am

When will we see around-the-world service on IR from THR stopping in DAM, CCS and FNJ?

[Edited 2007-01-23 23:11:06]
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:07 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 7):
Will this be operated by a Venezuelan carrier with IR code on it?

According to the article, IR will operate this flight.

Quoting KL808 (Reply 7):
where will IR get an A340 from?

The article does not say.
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:09 am

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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:09 am

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 9):
According to the article, IR will operate this flight.

Well maybe the conviasa planes , I think because of the embargo Iran can not lease or buy an Airbus or Boeing
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:16 am

That won't make a dime Silly ...assuming it ever actually flies.
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:17 am

This is how it would look like :

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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:19 am

The article does not provide a lot of detailed information about these new flights. Your questions about the A340 lead to question whether all the information in the article is accurate.
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:46 am

Quoting EuroBonus (Reply 2):
Venezuela selling cheap oil to Iran, etc. Whether the route will be profitable or not, it is all about two good friends, Ahmadinejad and Chávez.

Iran has to import oil? I'm going to have to doubt that one.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 5):
The article says that IR will "be using new Airbus 340s" on this route.

I would imagine that their 747SP's could make this flight... but are they even allowed to buy a new A340... where would they get access to simulators, spare parts, etc....

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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting IAD380 (Thread starter):
I am surprised the first regularly scheduled route between the Middle East and South America is THR-CCS. Is this likely to be a profitable route?

This is factually incorrect. Both MEA and Iraqi Airways connected Mid-East with South America AFAIR.
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:10 am

Quoting EuroBonus (Reply 2):
Venezuela selling cheap oil to Iran, etc.

Yeah, that isn't an issue, given that Iran's oil reserves are larger than Venezuela's.
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:30 am

Bringing the topic back to civil aviation:

If IR does go for this link, do y'all think that:

a/ there will be an intermediate stop?
b/ where would it be?

What about a link like: THR-TIP-CCS or even THR-LAD-CCS?!

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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:46 am

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 26):
a/ there will be an intermediate stop?
b/ where would it be?

What about a link like: THR-TIP-CCS or even THR-LAD-CCS?!

How about THR HAV CCS? or THR YUL CCS?  Smile

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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:32 am

Quoting EuroBonus (Reply 2):
and Venezuela selling cheap oil to Iran



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 14):
Iran has to import oil? I'm going to have to doubt that one.

maybe Chavez has to import some oil here to venezuela as he is given away the venezulean oil for nothing..... to our friends Cuba, etc....

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 17):
THR-LAD-CCS?!

would be to south.....


anyway, I will try IR on my next germany visit.... CCS-THR-FRA  Smile
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:53 am

Could it perhaps be a misunderstanding; could they mean IL-96 and not A340, as to an untrained eye they are similar in both appearance and description?

Would be a very interesting route if it goes ahead!

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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:08 pm

It reminds me of the old Soviet bloc "prestige" flights of the 1960's and 1970's...I would imagine oil money will definitely "subsidize" the flights, if they occur.

Iran has been unable to buy either Boeing or Airbus planes because of the embargo of American parts. An A340 could be wet-leased the way that Cubana has done with DC-8's and more recently, DC-10's.

btw, if you do a direct routing on the Great Circle Mapper, CCS-IKA practically overflies Lisbon, Madrid, Rome, Greece, & Istanbul.
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:37 pm

Sorry, but this seems to be very nonsense to me...I will just believe when I see it happening, and in that case I will be VERY surprised.
I can´t imagine that the social and economic relations (apart from political) between the two countries are so strong that can make such flight reasonable. (I could be wrong, of course...). Are there that much people traveling between Venezuela and Iran???
CCS seems to be the strongest market in northern South America/Caribbean with several European and North American airlines but IranAir is just too nonsense...

[Edited 2007-01-24 04:38:41]
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:39 pm

Quoting BSBIsland (Reply 22):
Sorry, but this seems to be very nonsense to me

It is also nonsense to me, but you never know what these two governments are capable of doing. If this flight is really happening, subsidesed or not, I am sure to buy a ticket. I cannot think of any other more exotic route in the Americas.

Who wants to join me in a one week trip to Iran. Come on guys! I am serious (I just wish these news are also serious).

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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:50 pm

If it's true that Iran can't purchase or lease Airbus or Boeing aircraft, why does Mahan operate some A-320s?
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:12 pm

Quoting Viasa (Reply 9):
What's about the "Conviasa" A340?

Indeed. I don't remember, has the the ex. NM A343 found a new operator already ?

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 12):
This is how it would look like :

It would look nice, even if almost all white.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 14):
but are they even allowed to buy a new A340

Of course not, but they'll find a way, like with the ex. TK A310-200s.
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:15 pm

That Conviasa A340 looks cool, so Iran Air could be getting that one?

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 3):
Great to see the Venezuelan - Iranian relations so good !

Hey I love what you say in your signature, one of the most foolish things I've ever heard. Makes me wanna change mine to Fidel: Muerete Ya Viejo LOCO!

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 18):
How about THR HAV CCS? or THR YUL CCS?

Surprised Iran Air doesn't fly to Havana. I guess Fidel is just too demented for Ahmedinejihad to pay attention to him.

[Edited 2007-01-24 06:17:32]
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:45 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 26):
That Conviasa A340 looks cool, so Iran Air could be getting that one?

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 3):
Great to see the Venezuelan - Iranian relations so good !

Hey I love what you say in your signature, one of the most foolish things I've ever heard. Makes me wanna change mine to Fidel: Muerete Ya Viejo LOCO!

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 18):
How about THR HAV CCS? or THR YUL CCS?

Surprised Iran Air doesn't fly to Havana. I guess Fidel is just too demented for Ahmedinejihad to pay attention to him.

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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:07 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 26):
Hey I love what you say in your signature, one of the most foolish things I've ever heard. Makes me wanna change mine to Fidel: Muerete Ya Viejo LOCO!

Hehe , poor guy ...
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:36 pm

Iraqi Airways did indeed operate to South America in it's heyday, i remember from reading the OAG as a kid, there was a four stop flight on a 707, i think the routing was Baghdad to Rio via where i don't remember, i seem to recall it made a stop in salvador brazil. I remember thinking to myself "who in the world would want to fly from Iraq to South America?"

On the current question, i wouldn't be surprised if it was An IL-96, the iranians and the russians do have a relationship, despite our protestations. I can also see the aircraft being leased from Aeroflot, with a russian crew. as for where it might stop enroute, i'm sure there are cities in west africa who would love to have a little extra income, not to mention thumb their nose at america, Lagos anyone?
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:49 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 29):
i wouldn't be surprised if it was An IL-96, the iranians and the russians do have a relationship, despite our protestations

Indeed !! The Russians just sold anti missile equiptment to Iran.


I think the route would be quite popular. Increase in trade between THR and CCS and they need all the friends they can get if sanctions come into play.
Would be nice to see a IR 340 if true . I heard about a possibility of IR THR-CCS a few months ago but actually had forgotten about it. In a statement the Iranian leader said he wanted to link ''friendly nations'' or ''Axis of evil'' States whatever your point of view is!!!!
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:53 pm

I doubt IranAir taking a IL96 they have had this option for along time and have never been interested in Russian Equipment. How About Madrid as a stop? Iranair used to fly their but they stoped there is an Iranian Community plus there should also be passengers from Spain to CCS.
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:00 pm

Tehran - Caracas with Iran Air and A340??

If they´re to go A340, it have to be the -200, where are they to find them? Conviasa and Royale Brunei´s?

I don´t see this as a reality.

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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:29 pm

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 17):
a/ there will be an intermediate stop?
b/ where would it be?

What about a link like: THR-TIP-CCS or even THR-LAD-CCS?!



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 21):
btw, if you do a direct routing on the Great Circle Mapper, CCS-IKA practically overflies Lisbon, Madrid, Rome, Greece, & Istanbul.

Yes, Lisbon was already a tech stop for the Cubana flights going to Islamabad until about a year ago.

If we're talking about a mere refuelling stop, they could also go to SMA or PDL that are exactly on the route and about half way.
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:49 pm

Just one thing: the distance is 11772 km, which makes it do-able for the IR 747SP.
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:56 pm

Old News. RE: Caracas-Tehran Soon With Conviasa? (by 777way Aug 9 2006 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:14 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 29):
Iraqi Airways did indeed operate to South America in it's heyday, i remember from reading the OAG as a kid, there was a four stop flight on a 707, i think the routing was Baghdad to Rio via where i don't remember,

If I remember correctly, the routing was BGW-AMM-LIS-RIO.

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 18):
How about THR HAV CCS? or THR YUL CCS?

THR-YUL-CSS would probably need to overfly the United States on its way from YUL to CCS. However, the United States almost certainly would deny overflight rights to IR. This would cause the flight to detour northeast over the Maritime provinces and Newfoundland to reach the Atlantic Ocean before it could fly south to CCS. This detour could be costly and time-consuming. THR-HAV-CCS would avoid overflying the United States, but it may not generate enough passenger or cargo traffic to maximize revenue for IR.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 21):
if you do a direct routing on the Great Circle Mapper, CCS-IKA practically overflies Lisbon, Madrid, Rome, Greece, & Istanbul.

Certainly, this is the most direct route. TP, IB, other Spanish carriers, and AZ already fly to CCS. For a variety of reasons, IR may not be able to obtain fifth freedom rights from FCO, MXP, BCN, MAD, or LIS to CCS. However, this may not deter IR from routing its THR-CCS flights through any of these cities.
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:35 pm

For political reasons i can see this flight starting. And then i can see it disappearing after just 6 months, even less.

Even EK would have to think twice (and three times) before starting flights to CCS, and they have a HUB that can send people in many other directions (including Iran).

But the O&D numbers between Iran and Venezuela do not grant a flight, no matter how you look at it.

If the Oil industry is going to generate some business trips, pax might be better accommodated in a Business class B-757 with one (or two) intermediate stops, more so with 5th freedom.

My thinking... we will never see this flight.

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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:21 am

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 29):
I remember thinking to myself "who in the world would want to fly from Iraq to South America?"

If CCS-THE keep the same range of business as Rio-Bagda in the past so i believe this route will be profitable. During the 80's Brazil use to sell several weapons & food (mainly chicken/meat) and not to forget about hydro and road projects made by Odebrecht and other major constructors like Mendes Junior (this one goes bankruptcy because of the unpaid bills). Off course, Oil was also a major market as Petrobras was one of the responsible for the larger oil fields found in Iraqi during 80's. By the end, government traffic !

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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:49 am

Quoting Viasa (Reply 9):
What's about the "Conviasa" A340?

The Conviasa Airbus A340 is now painted in full new livery Air Comet Spanish airline and awaiting ferry flight from TLS to MAD.
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:23 am

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 36):
THR-YUL-CSS would probably need to overfly the United States on its way from YUL to CCS

Highly unlikely Cdn govt would ever allow this, and bilaterals likely do not permit it. And if it were to be via Canada YYZ is much more likely--more Iranians in Greater Toronto.

But the bigger picture is, who other than two utter lunatics on the world stage such Chavez and Ahmadinejhad could possibly come up with this bird brained scheme? No logic or commercial principles apply to either of those two morons but you would think that actual human beings running the airlines might have some input into this black pit of a money loser.

Oh well, what is bad for state run aviation in Iran and vzla is ultimately good for the rest of the world so I hope they operate the route 7x weekly at a massive loss.
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:07 am

Would that be the only nonstop flight from the Middle East to South America?

I understand that EK is starting routes to Brazil (and Argentina?) soon...

While I really wish all Venezuelans and Iranians the best I doubt that such a route makes any sense...it is Anti-American propaganda, nothing else, and, to be honest, I could not be more tired of the ever going on bashing of the country that realised the ideas of the enlightment...it really is like Soviet time again, only with shifted focus.

Would nevertheless be a great sight, an A340 in IR colors...the good thing, however, is that airline routes are a certain means of peace keeping  eyebrow 

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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:07 am

Just as an FYI to all y'all energy experts here: Iran does need oil, since they have mismanaged their oil drilling technology so badly that they will not be able to keep up their own demand soon. That's what happens when you let religious fanatics run a country into the ground. I am guessing that they will import oil at first, but more than that expertise from Venezuela.

Thus I do see the possibility of such a flight, although it is mainly to irritate the Western world if you ask me.
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:07 am

Of what I've heard those are 2nd hand A340-313X... and they'll get 2 of them as "Hamshahri" claims, so it should be enough to go THR-CCS non stop... don't you agree?
There was also talk of A321s and A330s... all of course 2nd even 3rd hand  old 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:10 am

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 29):
Iraqi Airways did indeed operate to South America in it's heyday, i remember from reading the OAG as a kid, there was a four stop flight on a 707, i think the routing was Baghdad to Rio via where i don't remember, i seem to recall it made a stop in salvador brazil. I remember thinking to myself "who in the world would want to fly from Iraq to South America?"

In what years was this? Apparently they also flew to JFK for a time. Saddam has been in Cuba before, did Iraqi ever fly to HAV?

Couldn't the 747SP be an ideal plane capacity/range wise for THR-CCS?

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 28):
Hehe , poor guy ...

heh, trust me I wouldn't call him poor..

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 33):
Yes, Lisbon was already a tech stop for the Cubana flights going to Islamabad until about a year ago.

Since when Cubana was flying to Islamabad, Pakistan?? What for? are you sure?
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 42):
Just as an FYI to all y'all energy experts here: Iran does need oil

Incorrect. Iran still produces 4 million bpd and it will increase that to 5 in the next few years. Iran has no need for energy it has about 10% of the worlds natural gas reserve. Were it relies on imports is refined products because Iran lacks refinery capacity.
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 44):
Couldn't the 747SP be an ideal plane capacity/range wise for THR-CCS?

Range - yes, capacity - no.
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:22 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 44):
Couldn't the 747SP be an ideal plane capacity/range wise for THR-CCS?

It may have the range, but it's not the ideal aircraft, and its becoming real old. Too expensive. If IR can get its hand on A340s by a way or another, that would be a better choice. Earlier, I've mentioned the NM aircraft, but around the end of 2006, someone mentioned two other A340-313Xs coming off lease at China Airlines, and perhaps another airline.
 
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:27 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 47):
If IR can get its hand on A340s

Maybe Chavez buys one and Leases it to IR , as the Venezuela embargo is just on
weapons .
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RE: IR To Start THR-CCS Flights

Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting IAD380 (Thread starter):
I am surprised the first regularly scheduled route between the Middle East and South America is THR-CCS. Is this likely to be a profitable route?

It's Iran and Venezuela we're talking about.... I believe they're more concerned about the message this is going to send to the Devil and his minion (that would be Bush and Blair for those who don't pay attention to what is being said at the UN) than the cost of the message.
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