JZucker
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College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Wed Jul 19, 2000 10:20 am

Its now the summer before my Senior Year in High School, and as everyone knows, its time to go visit colleges. For the longest time, I thought that the only non-military path to achieving my life long goal of flying for the airlines was through Embry Riddle. But in research I have discovered that many other colleges have aviation programs equal, if not better than that of Embry Riddle's. I am particularily interested in DANIEL WEBSTER COLLEGE, which supposedly is a gem nestled in the woods of New Hampshire. I will be making a visit there later this week. Any info on D.W, Embry Riddle, Florida Tech, and Purdue's aviation programs would be greatly appreciated, as choosing a college has great impact on my future.

Of course, there is no one better to ask this question of than the people of the Airliners.net forum. Thanks in advance, everyone! (Ill post some of the highlights of my D.W. visit after Thursday.)

Thanks, Josh (talk2jz@hotmail.com), from Connecticut
 
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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Wed Jul 19, 2000 10:44 am

Purdue has an excellent flight/aviation program. The aviation program is divided into three areas of study: Flight, Aviation Administration Technology (AAT) and tech (AOT) -- in AOT you get an A&P. You may major in either flight, AAT or AOT; minor options are also available to supplement your major. Purdue's program is well rounded and grooms good pilots. Purdue is worth investigating. For more information... www.tech.purdue.edu/at/


good luck
 
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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Wed Jul 19, 2000 12:26 pm

I went to ERAU last year, and it is not worth the money. I went to the Prescott campus, that was a big mistake, no girls. If you are a nerdy type than ERAU is a good choice. If you like to talk about other things than flying 24/7 you should go somewhere else. One thing to note, the airlines do not care if you have an avaition degree or not, they just want to see that you have a degree. Save your money and go to a school in your state and use the money you save to spend on flying. Thats my word of advise, good luck.
 
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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Wed Jul 19, 2000 12:54 pm

Lest you not forget the University of North Dakota in Grand Forks, which happens to be one of the better flight schools in the country. The John Odegaard School of Aerospace Science at UND is one of the few select schools preferred by both American Airlines and Northwest Airlines. Many of the graduates from the UND School of Aerospace Science manage to land jobs with NWA (and the other major carriers) and some of their regional carriers. This may be an option to which you might want to look. It is true that you do not need a degree in aviation. The airlines simply prefer you to have a college degree. The big thing is your ratings and your flight time. If I were you, I would get my privates first and then go from there.

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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Wed Jul 19, 2000 1:37 pm

i plan on going to a comunity college for two years and then transfering to one of the greats. does that sound like a good idea? i live in dfw now and mountain view comunity college seems to have a good program and is only 15 minutes from my bro's house. ill save allot of money, but does anybody here have anything to say about mountain view? I was also thinking of looking at schools in the rockies (arizona, colorado, ect....) anybody have any recomendations?
 
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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Wed Jul 19, 2000 1:38 pm

Might I recomend Sierra Acadamy based in Oakland. They seem to have a
note worth program. The bay area seems to be good place to train with
lots of emphasis on IFR ( like tons of IFR approaches close by, very diverse airspace, and all kinds of real life weather to deal with) and airline flying. Plus they have nice internships and recomendations for you to the airlines.
I recommend Sierra Acadamey but I am going to Moody Bible Institute. I am in a five year program there that gets me a B.S. in missionary aviation technology all my ratings private through multi-engine and CFI, and an A and P. Plus the tuition is free. All you got to pay for is room and board and flight and wrenching fees. But its a Christian school and its very conservitive. I don't know if you in to that sort of thing.
Depending on you financiel situation try and get your private. I just turned
18 and couldn't wait till college, so over the past year and a half I got it. It
really fans the flames of inspiration. I wish you well in you search.
 
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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Wed Jul 19, 2000 4:20 pm

I'm going to second HNL747s opinion that Purdue is a school to look into. As I enter my junior year in the Purdue flight program, I can honestly say that I made the right choice, that I have never regretted choosing Purdue, and that I am getting the best collegiate aviation education available today. When I was where you are now, I had no idea where I wanted to go. I decided to apply to all the schools that had aviation programs, and then to try to make a choice by the time May 1st came around. Around mid-March of my senior year, I got a newsletter from the APA (American's pilot union) reccommending Purdue. The article that I read made Purdue sound like an outstanding school, and it was right.

Our program is not very big - we had 40 people graduate from our flight department in May (most of whom are now flying regional jets) - but our small size allows the university to make available opportunities that you won't find at other colleges. After you have earned your flight instructor certificate, for example, you can be hired to teach students in Purdue courses. The first 3 semesters of flight lessons can be taught by part-time instructors. Later, after earning the multi-engine rating, all Purdue flight students are given the opportunity to fly our King Air 200s. Over the course of your junior and senior years, you would fly approx. 30-50 hours in the King Air at no cost to you - the University pays for the flights because they are used to fly staff members when they need to take trips. We also have a Beechjet 400A, which is used to fly the president of the university. Like the King Airs, the Beechjet has a student copilot logging PIC on every flight it makes. If you are selected to fly the Beechjet, Purdue pays for you to go to FlightSafety to earn your type rating, then provides about 125 hours of PIC time in the jet.

We have a great fleet, including 14 Piper Warrior IIIs (Brand new - they are being delivered this summer), 4 Piper Arrows, 2 Beechcraft Duchesses, 2 Cessna 150s, a Cessna 182, a Chipmunk, and the turbine aircraft. In addition, we have a 727-100, a 737-200, and 2 727 simulators. The university is currently installing a new addition in our Holleman-Niswonger Simulator Center, a Dornier 328/328JET, and we are seeking NSF funding for an Embraer 135/145 simulator.
On top of our great fleet and facilities, we also have an outstanding staff. The professors in the department of Aviation Technology are top of the line. Every one of them seems to be genuinely concerned about students. Each makes himself available to students for outside consultation, and each is willing to do as much as possible to ensure that their students succeed. Among our professors are former military pilots, former airline pilots, for ATC controllers, and career educators. Together, they bring a wealth of experience that only serves to enhance the educational experience.

When graduation time comes, you will be pleased with our numerous industry contacts. We have direct hire programs in place with, among others, Chicago Express, American Eagle, and Chatauqua. A quick look at teh placement statistics shows that Purdue has had, since 1996, a 100% placement rate among graduates of the flight program. The intensive training that you receive at Purdue not only gives you a broad base of knowledge from which to continue learning throughout your career, but it also provides you with the skills you need to be successful in future classes. The curriculum at Purdue consists of, in addition to GE stuff, meteorology, aerodynamics, crew resource management, human factors issues, ethics and professionalism, aircraft powerplants, aircraft systems (both generally and for the King Air and 727 specifically), and much more. You can get an idea of the classes required and offered from the site that HNL747 listed, www.tech.purdue.edu/at.

Finally, we are not just an outstanding department of Aviation, rather, we are part of a world-class, Big Ten University. Purdue University has among the best programs in the world in many other areas as well, including engineering and agriculture, and offers courses in manifold subject areas. This allows students in AvTech to take other courses that interest them, or even to have a minor or double major. The opportunities at Purdue for pilots is really outstanding!

As I said, I have never once second-guessed my decision to attend Purdue University. Further, in talking to other students in the department, I have never met another Purdue pilot who has, either. Unlike other schools, every student I know in the Purdue Department of Aviation Technology is thrilled with the quality of the facilities, staff, and education that they are receiving. We all recognize that the training, both in the classroom and in the cockpit, offered at Purdue is among the best in the world (excluding, of course, airline training programs, but these are useless if you go in without a fundamental knowledge of aircraft). A student here learns not only how to fly the airplane, but how the airplane flies and how the industry works. If you have any questions about Purdue, please do not hesitate to contact me at mcdonamt@purdue.edu and I will answer any questions you might have. Also, if you decide to come take a look at Purdue, let me know - I'd be glad to show you around our aviation facilities, as well as the rest of the campus.

Best of luck with whatever you decide!
 
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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Wed Jul 19, 2000 5:14 pm

I have also heard of Sierra Academy. They have a deal with San Jose State where you get your B.S from them and your flight traning from Sierra Academy. The only problem is that it costs 40K+. I am looking into it and its a/c mech program.
 
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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Wed Jul 19, 2000 5:36 pm

I'm going to recommend the University of North Dakota! UND has a great flying program. You can earn private, instrument, commercial, and CFI there. They have Piper Warriors, Senecas, Barons, Beechjets, Citations, Piper cadets, Katanas, and helos. A lot of regionals and some majors reduce hour requirements for UND alumni. Every year in Grand Forks they have an aviation conference where lots a airlines come to find potential airline material. I know ACA reduced minimums for UND grads to 600 hours if you do the CO-OP program for one summer. Go to www.aero.und.edu, this'll have a lot more info.
The other school I recommend if you want to be in the rockies is Metro State in Denver, CO. Great flying program, you can earn the same ratings as UND, ERAU, etc. The students are constantly going to the UA flight training facility to fly their sims. I think Metro State has their own DC-10 sim. I think they fly out of Centennial or Front Range airport in the Denver Metro area. Unpredictable weather in Colorado, great flying conditions, lots of snow if you like snow, also, it gets really cold here in the winter. Also look into U of Minnesota Twin Cities, Minnesota State-Mankato, Saint Cloud State, and SUNY farmingdale. I would recommend the United States Air Force Academy,but senior year is a little too late to set your sights on USAFA. Anyway you choose, good luck!
 
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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Wed Jul 19, 2000 11:56 pm

I support Purdue Cadet's comments totally. Purdue not only offers a specialized aviation curriculum, but also has all of the other aspects of a major university. If, for some reason, you decided not to go into aviation as a career, your chances of being selected for a non-aviation position will be greatly enhanced with a degree from a wide-ranging nationally recognized university, rather than a specialty school with little name recognition outside of the aviation industry.
 
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Supercub82

Thu Jul 20, 2000 1:35 am

My brother in-law just graduated from Moody Aviation in May. It is a very challenging and difficult course. The first year is spent at the main campus in Chicago taking all of the basics like English, Math, Science, New and Old Testament Bible, etc. After that, if you pass the application process for the Aviation program you go to Elizabethton Tenn. for two years of A&P training. After you have your A&P you get to work on your Private Pilots license, Instrument rating, Multi engine, Instructor, etc. The terrain of the hills of Tenn. are a good training ground for prospective bush pilots on the mission field. My brother in-law is currently preparing to go to Alaska to fly supplies along with the Word of God into the deep interior of Alaska.

Good Luck!

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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Thu Jul 20, 2000 6:28 am

As a former Riddle student (I got my MBA there), I strongly suggest you analyze the social aspects of college before you make a decision. Fortunately, I went to a large State school for my under-grad degree where I had a great college experience meeting many different people and the opportunity to take a variety of courses. When I went to Riddle (Daytona) I found myself on a campus where guys outnumbered women 9 to 1 and as much as I love aviation, the place was over-kill. Riddle is a good school if you want to become a pilot but if you can balance a solid college experience and a good aviation program, you'll be much happier. I would have certainly kicked myself if Riddle had been my Under-grad choice.
 
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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Thu Jul 20, 2000 6:52 am

I TOTALLY agree with what Iflewrepublic had to say about UND. I am going to be a freshman starting there August 25 . I am from New York State going out to North Dakota for college. Given, people think I am nuts...but I think UND has the best aviation program out there. The campus is really nice and you get to fly in 4 different season: spring, summer, fall and of course WINTER! (unlike Embry-Riddle where you are lucky if you get 2 season)

I would highly recommend UND to anyone that is interested in flying! If anyone has any questions about it and might be interested...feel free to drop me an e-mail...I will try to answer any questions about it!  
 
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Jzucker

Thu Jul 20, 2000 8:21 am

JZucker
im intrested in almost the same exact schools. after you take a look at DWU let me know how it looks.
Go big or go home
 
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RE: Jzucker

Fri Jul 21, 2000 1:15 am

I definatly agree with DFORD757, IFLEWREPUBLIC and UAL1636. University of North Dakota is the place to go. I was a little antsy when I noticed that you didnt even list it one of youre choices. PLEASE!!!! Investigate this gem in the middle of North Dakota. I'll be a freshman this fall, and I know many that have gone through this program. Beileve me, going to UND pays off after 4 years. This is the place to go for aviation. Dont let the state of North Dakota get you down, Im from Seattle, Wa., you can handle ND for 4 years... Having just completed my college search this last year, I have looked at all of the colleges. I would count ERAU out, unless you want aviation 24-7 and no woman, and really focus on UND and Purdue. Both of the universities have a good sized student body and they both dont revolve around just aviation. They give you a big school feel and open a lot more doors in the student and campus life issues. The reason I chose North Dakota was because of its outstanding facilities, programs,direct hire programs, intern., and co-ops. There facilities are top notch, you have to see it to beileve it. Before I visited UND, it was my fourth choice behind ERAU-az, ERAU-fl, Purdue, and Daniel Webster. After I saw UND, it went from my fourth choice to my first choice. Everything about UND amazed me. Well, it must be a good university considering all of the out of state students coming to North Dakota to fly   . I also chose UND because it is a good sized school (11,000) and has excellent athletics (HOCKEY!!!), the combination of this, the school of aviation, student life, and the univ. as a whole drew me in and I cant wait to start. I really encourage you to look into UND, because I think it is the place to go. Check it out! If you have any more questions please e-mail me at crcooledge@home.com. Take it easy and good luck.
 
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UND

Fri Jul 21, 2000 8:28 am

i was reading about UND but it said it was bible country and all very religous people. not sure if true. ERAU is the havard of airplane schools. DWU is the yale of airplane schools
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RE: UND

Fri Jul 21, 2000 10:19 am

Bible Country??? I've lived up in this area my entire life, and been in numerous parts of the country, and I can tell you we are NOT part of the Bible belt...we leave that to Tennessee, Kentucky, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, etc. You can't always rely on what you read. North Dakota isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Fri Jul 21, 2000 11:53 am

Some facts of life, gentlemen, regarding ERAU and Daytona Beach:

#1) ERAU is a TOTALLY aviation-related school.
#2) The vast majority of people within aviation (airlines, airports, and manufacturers) are men, no disrespect meant, so........
#3) do men go to Riddle-Daytona for women......or for an education??? And, apparently those that went there for women, and got disappointed, obviously never ventured 6 miles to the east to the beach. I was one of the "90% men" at Daytona, and did fine with the female students there.

There are obviously some other excellent aviation programs out there. In my 16 years with the American Association of Airport Executives, and during my years on its academic relations committees, I have met many outstanding students from UND, Parks, Middle Tennessee, SIU, Purdue, Northeast LA, LA Tech, etc, etc, etc.

Just remember why you want to go to college, keep your priorities in line, and you'll be fine.

Good luck with your choice.

Tom in NO (at MSY)
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RE: UND

Fri Jul 21, 2000 12:41 pm

i didnt know everyone was going to take that "bible belt" comment so seriously. you act as if it was a terrible thing. i was just repeating what it said in the college book. so just cool your jets.
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Tom In No

Fri Jul 21, 2000 3:20 pm

More facts about ERAU (Daytona)

1) Even the ugly chicks sport an attitude (This is a well known fact that ANY male Riddle student will admit to).
2) Venture 6 miles to the beach; Beach season = Spring Break which lasts 3 months... that's IT. The rest of the year you're dealing with attitude from the few chicks on campus.
3) Yes, education is ONE of the reasons you go to College... so get an education from a school future employers know of. In addition, I'd add that a well rounded education is important. So, unless you want to limit yourself to learning just about aviation, go to a school that offers you more for the money.

Again, I went to ERAU and made the best of it. I'm not a party animal, but I expected a friendly, outgoing and fun atmosphere to be a part of the College experience. Instead, I found alot of attitude and alot of aviation geeks. Do yourself a favor and go to a real school and ENJOY the remaining 4 years of your life before going out in the work force.

Best of luck to you !!!


 
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BIBLEBELT...HAH!

Fri Jul 21, 2000 4:09 pm

Ive never heard that before. Ive had friends go there and they have never commented on it. You might be getting mixed up with the large majority of Caucasians that go to UND...because it is a draw for people in ND,SD, MINN, MT, WY. I think your thinkin' of the oval about 1500 miles SE of north dakota in the appalacian foothills. ANYWAY UND MAKES ERAU AND DW LOOK LIKE COMMUNITY COLLEGES IN AVIATION (PLEASE NO OFFENSE TO CC STUDENTS). AND IF YOU DONT BEILEVE ME, COME UP NORTH AND WE"LL SHOW YOU HOW IT IS DONE.
 
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RE: BIBLEBELT...HAH!

Fri Jul 21, 2000 10:22 pm

I have been to the Daytona Beach Campus of Embry Riddle, and I have to say that I was very impressed with the atmosphere. Let's look for a minute at Embry Riddle's fleet of Aircraft. Embry Riddle has to have the best fleet of aircraft of any college around. I mean Come on, there were 65 1999 172s sitting on the tarmac when I was there. Also, Embry Riddle has a good relation with Flight Safety. They have 2 simulators. A Beech 1900 and a 737-300 I believe. Anyway, If I pay money to get trained from a college, I expect to get trained from that college. I'm going to look at a college that has a good job placement rating. I'm not going to pick a college because they have a good football team, or they have great parties. I mean are you going to college to learn or party?
 
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RE: BIBLEBELT...HAH!

Fri Jul 21, 2000 11:35 pm

how does UND make ERAU and DWU look like a "community college"?
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Frontierman + AA61hvy

Sat Jul 22, 2000 4:09 am

Let me get some basics straight here...I think you misinterpreted my previous message. Of course job placements, academics, and facilities are the most important. I was saying that UND has more to offer when it comes to the social scale as well since it has a bigger univ. There are more clubs and activities to get into and they have more athletics. Look at MORECY comment up in front!!!! These are just sidedishes compared to the academics and job% which I think make UND more appealing. BUT be real...of course academics and job% is the most important. Now for facilities, yes, ERAU has nice facilities, but have you ever treked up to ND. If you havent, you should, because then you will see the difference. Also look at UND's fleet. Now for the Community college remark: Im sorry for offending you but it was a stupid, stupid comparison. I was just trying to be a funny man...something that i'm not good at in chat  . Any aviation college will get to you're dream and Im sorry for sounding like an a-hole, any of them is a good choice..but i'm explaining why I chose UND thats all. I dont want to be long, but if you have other questions email me at crcooledge@home.com and i'll set 'em straight.
 
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Erau $$$$$$

Sat Jul 22, 2000 5:29 am

Enough about riddle, i went there and was not impressed. Some of the professors were very good, but not worth the $4900 per semester tution. Another thing that pissed me off were the flight instructors at the flight line. Most of these clowns had just gotten their CFI's and they were pretty bad. I don't mind having low time instructors but i do mind paying $30/hr for it. I now go to a state school with an aviation program and only spend $1400 a semester. Another thing about riddle is that you have to pay for flight training up front. This means shelling about a few grand at a time, i think UND has the same deal. Of course this really isn't a problem for most of the people at riddle, look in the parking lot and you will see all the new mustangs and SUV's that daddy bought for little Johnny. Some say that only these big name avaition schools have connections with the airlines, not ture. The school i go to in Denver has many connections with United. By the time you get to the majors they don't really care what school you went to, they care about hours and experiance. Save your money and build hours. With all the money you save by going to state school you could have so many more hours than people who waste money on private or out of state schools. When you are trying to get that first CFI job or towing gliders, the person with more hours will get hired, not the riddle clown.
 
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RE: Aviation Colleges

Sat Jul 22, 2000 11:02 am

Does anyone know of the programs at Jacksonville University and Univeristy of Illinois? Please let me know. Thanks!

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RE: Aviation Colleges

Sat Jul 22, 2000 12:02 pm

Here's some advice from a now well seasoned college student and expert on higher ed.... oh BTW I am not in any aviation programs, I am getting a B.A. in History and Sociology at the University of Arizona.

First of all make sure you are dead set on going into aviation. I have known friends who were salivating over schools like USC and Northwestern b/c they were so great and a year later I find them here at the U. It won't be pretty to realize you've dropped 20k after a year and decided that flying ain't your cup of tea.

Secondly, once you have decided to go into aviation take a serious look at the school. what kind of education can it get you? Will it just be aviation related or will you leave there being well-rounded... going to a place like Purdue might be more your thing then.

Third, can you stand being in rural New Hampshire or NoDak or the cornfields of Indiana (no offense guys, Tucson isn't exactly Disneyland) for 4 or 5 years.

Fourth, lets face it college is a social time of your life. Obviously academics and your studies are are important, but how does the campus life feel. Is there anything going on off of campus, is there a grocery store nearby, what are the students like. If you are going to be at a place for 4 years you better like who you are around.

Most importantly you need to come out of college with more than just a degree and credentials... besides knowing how to fly it would be useful to have other skills and in general be well-rounded. But if aviation is your thing I would definately encourage you to go to a school that has a dedicated and driven aviation program so you DO actually get to your goal of being a pilot.

GOOD LUCK
-Brad
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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Sat Jul 22, 2000 1:52 pm

COnsider two things before you choose a college:

You have a requirement to have a bachelors (4 yr) degree to be hired by a major airline. If you want to spend 25,000 dollars a year to go to a place like ERAU, My opinion is you would be wasting your money. There is NO requirement to have a degree in Aviation. You could go to a State University and major in something that would be revelent to life if you were to ever to loose a medical and be forced out of the flight deck. It is foolish to major in Aviation technology/Aeronautical science/what ever you want to call it.

Secondly, there is social depreviation at a place like ERAU. There are like 10 guys for every girl, A LOT of pilots, and NO diversity. If you want to eat, sleep, and breathe aviation, then maybe this is the school for you...if you ask me; no thanks.

Consider price, training, and "the college experience" that would come with the school you decide to go to .
I hope that i havent been to harsh on all the ERAU students and Alumni, but that is my experience there. I am now going to Western Washington University and majoring in Busniess managment. I am taking flying lessons on the side and progerssing well.

KEN
 
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Reality Check

Thu Jul 27, 2000 4:21 am

Alright, you all have confused the poor boy enough. JZ, here's a dose of reality.

First of all, for the most part, you've been getting bad advise. When it comes right down to it, it does not really matter a damn where you go to college in the grand scheme of things. I don't care how well connected any school claims to be to major airlines or what it is they are promising you, You WILL NOT GET HIRED at a major upon graduation. Period.

With that said, You need to choose a college based on the following criteria:

1) WHERE WILL I FEEL THE MOST COMFORTABLE AND DO MY BEST WORK?

2) See number 1.

NDU, D'anl Webby, Perdue and ERAU, they all have outstanding flight programs with superlative instructors and staffs. I fly for a Dash 8's for USAirways Express now (Piedmont Airlines) and am exposed to people of all different backgrounds. All a bunch of good eggs.

I am a proud ERAU graduate. Most of what you've been hearing about riddle being a monastary is a bunch of horse crap. I had an extremely positive experience and have some stories that make "Animal House" look like "Romper Room" (if thats what you really care about). It is a very intense place, populated by folks who are insanely pationate about airplanes and the art of flying. My kind of folks! If thats where you want to be, go and have fun and make the best of it. If not, go somewhere else. But did ERAU help me get my first airline job? You bet your ass it did. Do people look positively upon my academic background? Almost to a man (or woman!). Would I do anything differently if I had it to do all over again? Yes, I'd stay longer!

What it comes down to JZ, is that it doesn't matter really where you go, just have fun with the good and roll with the punches when it gets rough, because this industry will treat you like crap if you let it.

Take the bull by the horns, visit lots of schools, and follow your heart and your passion.

Sincerely,

Dash 8 drivin' Scooter Trash
 
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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Thu Jul 27, 2000 11:25 am

Jz,
I think Riddle is getting an unfair shake in this whole thing. I am glad ATRpilot addressed and let you know the facts. This is what I found after changing schools numerous times.
1. There is good and bad with every school there is.
2. Go where you feel most comfortable.
3. Follow your heart. I promise this will not be an easy decision, but if you follow your heart you will make the right decision.

If you choose to go to a place like Embry-Riddle, Und, or Purdue, I recommend getting as many ratings as you can before you come so you can concentrate on school. I did not and my grades faultered because I was so focused on flying. Not to mention all the money you will save.

I go to Riddle in DAB and I love it. I love the program. Is there problems with it, there is no doubt about that. If you come for a visit and would like to see what things are like e-mail me and I will show you around. I am a CFI/II/MEI and I would even like to take you on a flight and show you the airspace.

aviator39
 
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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Sat Jul 29, 2000 3:20 am

I go to Cornell, and we have a "hotel school". They have a program in "airline food management"

eMail me for details.
 
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RE: College Time! (Daniel Webster, Embry Riddle...

Sat Jul 29, 2000 12:58 pm

Southern Illinois University in Carbondale, IL has a very good flight school too. I know SIU has a reputation of being a party school, but as everyone knows, flying leaves little margin for slacking off. SIU also has a strong partnership with United Airlines (UA gave them a 737-200) and many others. Their website http://www.siu.edu/~aviation/ has more info. I will be attending SIU next fall, majoring in aviation-flight.

Saluki777
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MY Plan

Sat Jul 29, 2000 1:17 pm

I have my heart set on Sierra Academy, in Oakland. I used to be hot for Riddle, but it's in Florida and EXPENSIVE! You know what, I don't care if it's only for four years, I can't LIVE without MOUNTAINS!
I love being in the western USA just because of the geography of it. It's not all flat. Plus I can only dream of flying my own aircraft over the Rockies and Sierras. That's why Sierra Academy caught my eye. It's all about PASSION, JZucker. If the east is your thing and you'd rather fly for, say, USAir, GO FOR IT! My dream is to become a pilot and fly for SWA, CO, DL, or AA. Or even better, a startup airline! Then, once I've gained enough industry experience, look into starting my own airline, of which most of you have heard about, Pacific World Airways. That's my dream. And guess what also lured me to Sierra, I'm planning on basing my future airline out of San Francisco, RIGHT ACROSS THE BAY from where I go to college. It's fantastic how seamlessly it all fits together for me. Do the same for yourself!!
Find a school that meshes with YOUR DREAMS. If you only know that you want to be a pilot someday, be a little less general in your thinking. Is there a specific place you want to be flying around? Is there an airline you'd die to work for? Is military flying your thing?
For myself, I want to be flying routes in the western US, for a carrier like CO, SWA, DL, or AA. That also includes their commuter branches. I'd die to find myself in the cockpit of a Skywest CRJ and fly to Pocatello from SLC daily! Just because I see them flying overhead here every day and I wonder what it's like.  
It's passion.
I KNOW I wouldn't fit into a school like Riddle, UND, Purdue, Daniel Webster. For me, they're all unapealing. Yes, they have great programs, but they lack the simplest of things that mean to most to what I love. If Riddle was in Salt Lake City, bet your ass I'd be there. Just because of what I've grown up around. Flight over the Rockies.
OK I'm rambling an I know it, but so you see what I'm saying here?
IT's
UP
TO YOU,
Burma Shave    
LOL

Live the dream, never stop,

Tropical Skies-
Fly to new horizons
 
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RE: MY Plan

Sun Jul 30, 2000 3:22 am

Not to discourage your dreams or anything, but Oakland and the bay area aren't
really in the mountains. Its the big city, by the ocean. I guess you could cruise up I-80 to Taho or take trips to other parts of the Sierra Nevadas but unless money isn't an issue than I would imagine it would be rather expansive.

I would also like to say that I can sympathize with your dreams or passions. I live in Northeastern califorina and love the mountains too. My flight training will take place in Tennessee but then I hope to come back to the mountains. I once went on a missions trip to Russia. We flew in a Malibu and a Baron from our homes California to Bellingham Wash, then to Ketchican Alsk, Anchorage, Nome and over the Bering Strait to a poor, hungary town there. Experiencing Alaska aviation and at the same time giving people hope is some thing else. I hope to some day fly a Cessna Caravan. Maybe in the bush or the opposite, for Fedex. Or maybe fly a Donier 328 for Horizon. I have this thing for tubo-props. I wanted to fly a MD-90 for Reno Air but they are gone now. Eventually I would like to end up in a Citaition X for ExecJet or some thing. The skys the limit and I'm going to leave my options open. Just thought I would spill my dreams too.
I wish you well in your plans.


TropicalSkies wrote:
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I have my heart set on Sierra Academy, in Oakland. I used to be hot for Riddle, but it's in Florida and EXPENSIVE! You know what, I don't care if it's only for four years, I can't LIVE without MOUNTAINS!
I love being in the western USA just because of the geography of it. It's not all flat. Plus I can only dream of flying my own aircraft over the Rockies and Sierras. That's why Sierra Academy caught my eye. It's all about PASSION, JZucker. If the east is your thing and you'd rather fly for, say, USAir, GO FOR IT! My dream is to become a pilot and fly for SWA, CO, DL, or AA. Or even better, a startup airline! Then, once I've gained enough industry experience, look into starting my own airline, of which most of you have heard about, Pacific World Airways. That's my dream. And guess what also lured me to Sierra, I'm planning on basing my future airline out of San Francisco, RIGHT ACROSS THE BAY from where I go to college. It's fantastic how seamlessly it all fits together for me. Do the same for yourself!!
Find a school that meshes with YOUR DREAMS. If you only know that you want to be a pilot someday, be a little less general in your thinking. Is there a specific place you want to be flying around? Is there an airline you'd die to work for? Is military flying your thing?
For myself, I want to be flying routes in the western US, for a carrier like CO, SWA, DL, or AA. That also includes their commuter branches. I'd die to find myself in the cockpit of a Skywest CRJ and fly to Pocatello from SLC daily! Just because I see them flying overhead here every day and I wonder what it's like.  
It's passion.
I KNOW I wouldn't fit into a school like Riddle, UND, Purdue, Daniel Webster. For me, they're all unapealing. Yes, they have great programs, but they lack the simplest of things that mean to most to what I love. If Riddle was in Salt Lake City, bet your ass I'd be there. Just because of what I've grown up around. Flight over the Rockies.
OK I'm rambling an I know it, but so you see what I'm saying here?
IT's
UP
TO YOU,
Burma Shave    
LOL

Live the dream, never stop,

Tropical Skies-
Fly to new horizons