sam1987
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What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:22 am

I notice on the LBA departures and arrivals boards that since midday, most flights have been cancelled or diverted; the last departure being TOM5993 to ACE at 11:28 and the last arrival being BD412 from LHR at 12:08.

On the BD website it says flights have been affected due to an "aircraft incident".

Can anyone provide more information?
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:29 am

Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
BD412 from LHR at 12:08

Might have something to do with above. See earlier other post...
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:45 am

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 1):
See earlier other post...

Which post? Can you link it please?
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:46 am

I think a BD airbus burst a tyre on landing from LHR
 
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:04 am

I have heard an aircraft is 'blocking' the runway, which would tie in with the above comment. Not heard anything more specific though
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:07 am

BD412, an A319 from LHR, had all main landing gear tyres burst on landing today. Came to a halt whilst still on the runway, causing all arrivals and departures to be halted for a number of hours.
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:14 am

Have the timings changed? When I was a lad BD412 used to be the morning arrival about 0930 and BD414 used to be the dinner time one, or maybe it was just very late.

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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:20 am

BD A319 came in too hard, burst tires, meaning closed runway, meaning LBA delays. Big grin
 
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:21 am

Must have been a VERY hard landing. I've witnessed some screamers with no damage to any parts of the plane.
 
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:36 am

That must have been quite a cruncher, not as uncommon as you would think though to have a tire burst, although losing all four is quite an achievement to say the least!

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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:29 am

LBA is a very uneven runway, with quite a big slope, i always wonder how easy it is to land on it, and i doubt it would be that difficult to cock it up
 
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 11):
LBA is a very uneven runway, with quite a big slope, i always wonder how easy it is to land on it, and i doubt it would be that difficult to cock it up

Anybody know whether it was LBA based crew who were flying it?

Surely they would know how to land at LBA....
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:21 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 11):
LBA is a very uneven runway, with quite a big slope, i always wonder how easy it is to land on it, and i doubt it would be that difficult to cock it up

Speaking from experience eh? When did you last land an A319?

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 12):
Anybody know whether it was LBA based crew who were flying it?

Nope, it was a LHR domestic flight. Its LHR based crew, not that makes a difference.

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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:33 am

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 12):
Nope, it was a LHR domestic flight

I spoke to the crew after a BD flight from LHR to LBA once, and they were all LBA based (all they ever did was the shuttle runs to LHR and the occasional charter flight via LGW).

I just wondered whether today's service was operated by crew from another base rather than the usual LBA based crew.
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:54 am

If you look on the "disallowed" website beginning with the letter J then you can see a photo of the aircraft at LBA after it's emergency landing!

The aircraft in the incident was G-DBCI


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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:20 am

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 13):
I spoke to the crew after a BD flight from LHR to LBA once, and they were all LBA based (all they ever did was the shuttle runs to LHR and the occasional charter flight via LGW).

LHR based crew.
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 15):
All LHR-EDI/GLA/ABZ/INV/MME/LBA/BHD flights are operated by BMI LHR based crew and a/c, despite what the LBA fans would have you believe

Are you sure? Because the pilots said they were LBA based and one of them even had a Yorkshire accent!

I was also reading a trip report on here a while ago from a BD flight from EDI to LHR and the crew were MAN based (they were doing MAN - LHR - EDI - LHR - MAN)
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 16):
Are you sure? Because the pilots said they were LBA based and one of them even had a Yorkshire accent!

I was also reading a trip report on here a while ago from a BD flight from EDI to LHR and the crew were MAN based (they were doing MAN - LHR - EDI - LHR - MAN)

Yes we are sure, the above you have said would have been Embraer pilots based at LBA/MAN. These were Airbus pilots based at Heathrow which of course is where all the 319s/320s are based.

They are Heathrow based, ok!  Smile

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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 17):
Yes we are sure, the above you have said would have been Embraer pilots based at LBA/MAN. These were Airbus pilots based at Heathrow which of course is where all the 319s/320s are based.

They are Heathrow based, ok!

Still don't believe you! I know the aircraft are based at LHR, but there are two sets of Airbus flight deck crews based at LBA (hence BD Airbus aircraft often fly charters at weekends from LBA via LGW).

That's what the Yorkshire sounding FO told me anyway!

Are you telling me BD pay for hotels for LHR based crew to overnight at LBA every single night?!
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:37 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 15):
LHR based crew.
All LHR-EDI/GLA/ABZ/INV/MME/LBA/BHD flights are operated by BMI LHR based crew and a/c, despite what the LBA fans would have you believe

As far as I know the crew on LBA-LHR are Leeds based. The aircraft overnights in Leeds, not LHR. BD420 is the final flight of the day that aircraft does, and its a LHR-LBA run.

I fly on this service regularly(BD 419) and the cabin crew are certainly LBA based, I asked them! Im flying tomorrow, so just to be sure Ill ask again, and also about the flight crew!

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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:26 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 14):

Pics on here now too chief


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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 12):
Speaking from experience eh? When did you last land an A319?

I was speaking as one of the many spotters who stands at the graveyard end of the runway, looking up, and it is uneven.  Yeah sure

As for the accident, the local rag was proclaiming the pilot as a hero, although unless it was the a/c's fault, how can he be a hero Big grin.

Admittedly, that runway does look like a nightmare to land on, bet in the wet its hard to stop if you land at the top of the slope
 
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:26 am

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 19):
I'm flying tomorrow, so just to be sure I'll ask again, and also about the flight crew!

Thanks!
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:38 am

I might add at this poin that my experiences of landings at LBA have not been especially pretty. Usually "positive contact" and lots of breaking, reverse, etc, etc. (AND if its FR a final dose of breaking to make the turnoff! bigthimbsup  seems to be SOP systemwide tho!)

The last time I arrived into LBA (on an RE ATR 72-201) we had what can only be described as a "firm" landing. The "were gonna need new gear" kind of firm. I know ATRs can be a bit "unforgiving" but this was "OMG weve been shot down"

Looking back I have to think it was the runway, as RE are usually pretty smooth (more cycles, more practice,I guess???). Even at ORK the landings are usually "kisses" rather than "thumps". Ive noticed that on longer runways(like ORK BHX DUB LBA) RE pilots tend to allow the a/c to float in order to get the landings right as the ATR stops pretty sarpish anyway!

That said, the A319 was either very heavy or hit the deck HARD to burst all four tyres?
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:39 am

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 23):
That said, the A319 was either very heavy or hit the deck HARD to burst all four tyres?

hence me thinking the declaration of the captain a hero was wide of the mark.

Credit to him, he aint got an easy job, but he aint no hero
 
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RE: What Is Going On At LBA Today?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 19):
As far as I know the crew on LBA-LHR are Leeds based. The aircraft overnights in Leeds, not LHR. BD420 is the final flight of the day that aircraft does, and its a LHR-LBA run.

I fly on this service regularly(BD 419) and the cabin crew are certainly LBA based, I asked them! Im flying tomorrow, so just to be sure Ill ask again, and also about the flight crew!

Fair enough I stand corrected.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 23):
I might add at this poin that my experiences of landings at LBA have not been especially pretty. Usually "positive contact" and lots of breaking, reverse, etc, etc.

You would usually find that is commonplace at any field with the similar length of runway that LBA has.

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