|Quoting Joost (Reply 1):|
First, there is an interlining agreement between NW and AF, but no full codeshare agreement (maybe you should change the title?)
It has to do with all kind of legal issues and anti-trust situations.
By a specific construction, KLM and AF are still considered as different airlines by the authorities. For this reason, for example, the Dutch government has a kind of golden share in KLM in order to keep it officially Dutch, and more of these constructions.
KL and NW are granted antitrust immunity on 'between-hub' (=transatlantic) routes, and so are AF and DL. Therefore, all AMS-USA flights on KL or NW carry both the KL and NW code, as do all France-USA flights carry DL and AF on flights operated by either carrier. On these routes, they do not need to compete.
However, KL-DL have no immunity, neither have AF-NW. Therefore, KLM and Delta compete on the routes AMS-JFK and AMS-ATL; AF and NW compete on CDG-DTW. They have to, because otherwise it would be an antitrust violation.
However, they have the right to codeshare beyond the hubs. Some flights AMS-Europe carry the DL code, some DL flights from ATL carry the KL code; some French domestic routes on AF carry the NW code, etc. This is virtually always allowed, as there are no antitrust issues: NW would never compete on CDG-TLS anyways, for example.
It is a bizarre situation, especially as KL and AF are effectively one company and pursuit profit for the company as a whole. They, together with NW and DL, have therefore requested antitrust immunity for the KL-AF group with both NW and DL, but the US have denied, as it would result in a lack of competition. If an eventual merger would take place between DL and NW, the issue will be looked at again; likely, a new DL-NW would need to reduce capacity and possibly give up valueable slots before they get antitrust immunity.
Hope this helps.
|Quoting Joost (Reply 1):|
AF and NW compete on CDG-DTW. They have to, because otherwise it would be an antitrust violation.
|Quoting Runway23 (Reply 3):|
I think what the OP is referring to rather is the non-presence of AF flights on NWA.com.
|Quoting ANother (Reply 6):|
Not true. AF is a French airline that flies from France to the USA, KL is a Dutch airline that flies from the Netherlands to the USA.
They may be closely integrated, but they are separate companies.
|Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 8):|
There is one president of AF/KL who is French.
There is AF/KL stock, not KL stock and AF stock, if you want to buy shares.
Sounds like the same company to me!!!!!
Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe
Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days
Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit
Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior
Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft
Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials
Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions
Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin
Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon
Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos
Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft
Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries
Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground
Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos