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What Fuselage Is This?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:34 pm

I drive by BFI frequently, and for a while i've wondered what fuselage this is, located along Marginal Way on the west side of the field? It looks like a door 3 frame of a 757. The paint resembles that of KLM, but KLM never had the 757, so i'm guessing this was a non-production, static test structure. Anyone know?
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:35 pm

The elusive first production section of 787 barrell?
 
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:41 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 1):
The elusive first production section of 787 barrell?

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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:53 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):
That's this

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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:12 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):

Those doors are massive compared to the other picture, or is the first picture of an emergency exit? The windows also look bigger
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:19 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
Those doors are massive compared to the other picture, or is the first picture of an emergency exit? The windows also look bigger

The doors and windows on the 787 are bigger than normal but not quite a big as they look here as there's a frame to plug into those holes before doors/windows are added.
 
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:42 pm

Looks like a KLM fusselage. I first thought it was from a DC8, but the size of the windows doesn't fit. They were larger.

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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:50 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Thread starter):
It looks like a door 3 frame of a 757



Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 6):
Looks like the front section of a KLM DC8.

Nah guys, it looks much wider than any of those two. My bet it's a widebody. Perhaps a KL DC-10? Look at those blocked windows left of the door, looks like a galley on starboard...

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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:57 pm

Quoting EHHO (Reply 7):
Nah guys, it looks much wider than any of those two. My bet it's a widebody. Perhaps a KL DC-10? Look at those blocked windos left of the door, looks like a galley on starboard...

Yes, could be a DC10.


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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:24 pm

Could it be a 757-300? If you look closely at the ATA photo, you see a production break 5 windows aft of the door.


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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:07 pm

Quoting N747PA (Reply 9):
Could it be a 757-300? If you look closely at the ATA photo, you see a production break 5 windows aft of the door.

I don't think so. These are KLM colors.

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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:34 pm

Uups, after searching the photo data base it looks that it isn't KL. The white line ist too wide for KL colors.

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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:43 pm

It isn't a DC-10. If it was, there would be a white outlining of the doors. Also, a DC-10 door (looking at the KLM DC-10 picture) is higher and comes more in the light blue area.

I first thought that it could be a part of PH-BTC, a B737-406 which suffered damage beyond repair at Barcelona in 2005. However, looking at those pictures I can't seem to fix this piece into that...

So, maybe it's a fake piece of fuselage?

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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:07 am

I don't think its KLM either... the grey underbelly is too low down in this photo...
 
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:44 am

It is not KLM for shure!

If I am correct it is a test fuselage (part) for painting. Ive seen it before around these forums.
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:19 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Thread starter):
I drive by BFI frequently, and for a while i've wondered what fuselage this is, located along Marginal Way on the west side of the field?

Given that its at BFI i would assume its either a 737 or 757 fuse section.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):
That's this

THAT is not a production fuse for the 787... that is a test barrel (two joined together actually).
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:26 am

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 8):
Yes, could be a DC10.

Of all the DC-10s that have been used by KLM, none were broken up while wearing KL livery. All went to another airline.

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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 15):
THAT is not a production fuse for the 787... that is a test barrel (two joined together actually).

Yeah I know, but just posted that in response to a previous thread.
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:43 am

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0756434/L/ Maybe a test painting but does anyone think its a jet escape for a 767?
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:11 am

Quoting Skytony (Reply 18):
Maybe a test painting but does anyone think its a jet escape for a 767?

You may have it here actually... Boeing broke up one of the first(i beleive it was the first) 767 to use in various peices for various things.
The forward fues/section 41 peice is at the Future Of Flight outside. The Wingstub/Center tank and Right wing is at the ERC Training facility near Boeing and this looks to be a peice (same exact paint that is on the Wing stub section) from that aircraft.
Considering that Jersey barriers are 3ft tall so that fence would be about 9ft or so.

It COULD be a 767... i'll be down there tomorrow so i'll check it out.  Smile
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:10 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 19):
It COULD be a 767... i'll be down there tomorrow so i'll check it out

It's a narrowbody, i'm positive of that.
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:39 am

I am almost 100% sure that this fuselage section is that of a 757. One thing I always noticed when traveling on them, is the very narrow exits and emergency hatches. The windows also seem to match that of a 757.

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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:50 am

Looks like the aft section to the 753...

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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:34 am

If not a 767? Maybe the jet escape for the new 737-900 ER?
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:59 am

Could it possibly be a section of an old 707? If memory serves me right, they had a rather small emergency exit.

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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:12 am

Quoting Cessna057 (Reply 22):
Looks like the aft section to the 753...

I can't imagine they'd have broken up a 753!
 
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:19 pm

didn't kl phase out their 8 door 763s recently? i'm wondering if it could be part of one of those?
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:11 pm

Could the 12385 be the construction number of the aircraft???

Looks to me like it might be from a DC10...of course there is a section where this could have fit on a 747.....it is tho definately an ex-KLM bird...

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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:09 pm

It is a paint test section. The thing is constantly changing colors. Boeing uses it to test paint colors and schemes prior to painting the real thing.
 
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:13 pm

Judgeing by the doors a Klm Dc-10.
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:50 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):



Quoting Access-Air (Reply 27):
Looks to me like it might be from a DC10...of course there is a section where this could have fit on a 747.....it is tho definately an ex-KLM bird...

Where on a 747 could that peice fit? Its almost half the width of a 747...
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:58 pm

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 8):
Yes, could be a DC10.

No. The door is too small. I guess it is a 767, because of the door. I don't know which type of door that is, but it's definitely more or less the same size as the number three door on 767s with 8 doors.

I recall seeing a picture once of something similar, I believe I saw it here in the database. It was a fuse barrel of a 767 that was being used for painting tests. Since this barrel is at BFI, it could make sense since BFI has a paintshop there and widebodies sometimes go to BFI for their paintjob before delivery.
 
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:06 pm

I found the picture in question, although it's not from BFI, but from PAE. Sorry for the doublepost, but to avoid editing my post, here it is:

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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:05 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 31):
Since this barrel is at BFI, it could make sense since BFI has a paintshop there and widebodies sometimes go to BFI for their paintjob before delivery.

Someone at Boeing BFI please correct me if i'm wrong as i'm at Everett... but last time i checked i was pretty sure BFI didn't have a paint bay large enough for widebodies... 737/757 only...

I've never heard of a large aircraft being painted at KBFI...
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:44 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 33):
I've never heard of a large aircraft being painted at KBFI...


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Unless I'm mistaken in my interpretation of this picture, this looks like a widebody paintshop at BFI. Feel free to correct me though, as now I'm confused as well.
 
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:16 am

That chunk of fuse I believe is a 767 but for sure it is a paint test. The airplane chunks are leftovers from the early eighties and the static and fatigue test articles. There is a whole "boneyard" of test parts up in Everett near where the test facility is. They keep some just for future reference. There are old 747 sections (tested to 3 lifetimes) and the 777 and 767 test parts. They keep the old fatigue test articles just in case they find something is service to compare it to the test sections. But some like the static test pieces don't have much use. They hang around in case we need them for things like Lets paint one and see what the sun does to the paint. It is a controlled experiment. They know exactly how much sun it got, how much it was washed. etc. They go out every so often and check the paint to the color chip and measure paint gloss, chalking, flaking etc. The paint color is most likely what they had laying around in the right spec. The top blue looks like the KAL blue to me.
 
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:08 pm

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 30):
Where on a 747 could that peice fit? Its almost half the width of a 747...

Never said that. I think it's a 757.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 31):
No. The door is too small. I guess it is a 767, because of the door. I don't know which type of door that is, but it's definitely more or less the same size as the number three door on 767s with 8 doors.



Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 35):
That chunk of fuse I believe is a 767 but for sure it is a paint test.

It's not a widebody, it's a narrowbody for sure, A 757. But my question was is this a part of a scrapped airframe, or just a piece of a static fuselage
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:22 pm

It cant be a jet escape guys this an old piece of an airplane. Look at the picture of the 787 jetescape and look at how nice it looks and then look at the plane in question. If it isnt a 757, it is possible that it is an old 707 jet from somewhere, not sure of where it could be from though.

Also, it kinda looks like a freighter, if you look at how the windows are painted in that makes sense.

And how is everyone saying a KLM bird. Yes the scemes are similar but the gigantic white stripe vs. the smaller one on current KL birds are totaly different..
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:06 pm

Quoting Cessna057 (Reply 37):
If it isnt a 757, it is possible that it is an old 707 jet from somewhere, not sure of where it could be from though.

The answer's already been found...

It was part of a 767
 
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RE: What Fuselage Is This?

Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:02 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 34):
Unless I'm mistaken in my interpretation of this picture, this looks like a widebody paintshop at BFI. Feel free to correct me though, as now I'm confused as well.

Hm... that picture certainly is showing a widebody in a paintshop... i'm doing more investigation.

Buildings 3-369 and 3-380 at Boeing Field are paint hangars. From what i'm finding it looks like 3-380 COULD be large enough to paint widebodies. 3-369 i beleive is a side by side segmented bay for 737's. Since there is only one paint hangar at Renton they need them available ASAP as they have to paint a new 737 every day effectively.

I guess that picture really could be from BFI. You just NEVER see an unpainted 747, 767, 777 leaving Everett. The LCF i'm positive will be painted at PAE. Maybe not by Boeing though. It may be done by Goodrich at the south. They have a paint bay large enough for all aircraft. Only time will tell.  Smile
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