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US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:36 am

Wow, this will be the first time in South America, yes? In any event interesting news!

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p88/436355.pdf
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:41 am

Does their current fleet allow that addition of these two cities? If no, are to expect some birds in the fleet, if approved. Interesting though. Very interesting.
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:41 am

It's a renewal of an existing authority, which they use to codeshare on UA-operated flights. It has nothing to do with US operating their own metal to those markets.
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:42 am

The way, I read it, its only a renewal so that it can continue to codeshare with United to those countries.
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:44 am

They are renewing this authority so is this really anything serious?
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:48 am

If you read page 3, it says " US has a current codeshare with UA, but the renewal will provide US with flexibility to impliment service."

US did apply for these cities in 2004 but now, this application is a renewal.
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:51 am

Quoting Bridogger6 (Reply 5):
If you read page 3, it says " US has a current codeshare with UA, but the renewal will provide US with flexibility to impliment service."

All of the applications for codeshare authority have similar wording, allowing the carrier to implement service with its own metal should market conditions warrant and so on.

You're reading something into it that just isn't there.
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:56 am

So basically it is applying for renewal on existing UA codeshare flights. But this also gives them the permission to fly these routes with their own metal, if they choose to do so? Does UA fly to Uraguay?
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:58 am

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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:07 am

It's too bad that they aren't pursuing this further using their own aircraft. The more capacity to EZE the better for everybody. Trying to get my family there twice a year is always interesting (LAX-LIM-SCL-EZE over the Christmas holiday).

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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:08 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 7):
So basically it is applying for renewal on existing UA codeshare flights. But this also gives them the permission to fly these routes with their own metal, if they choose to do so? Does UA fly to Uraguay?

That is exactly the case. US is simply renewing its authority in order to continue codesharing with UA. It does not grant them permission to start up their own flights, however. Remember that Argentina, the larger market of the 2, is a restricted entry market for US carriers and, currently, all authorities are being utilized so US cannot just begin service even if the market warrants it. However, if new authorities become available, US is free to apply for US-Argentina service if it so chooses. Anyway, this is all moot as I highly doubt that there is much, if any, demand from US' hubs to either Argentina or Uruguay.

In answer to your second question, yes, UA does serve MVD as an extension of Buenos Aires. It is reportedly a very profitable station for UA.
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:10 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 7):
Does UA fly to Uraguay?

Actually, it's Uruguay and, yes, UA has been flying to MVD since they acquired PA's routes to South America in 1992, after PA was shut down and liquidated.

UA currently flies to MVD as a 'short-hop' extension to their IAD-EZE daily flight and keeps its 767-322ER on the tarmac in Carrasco for the entire day until the evening return to IAD.

While UA is currently doing quite well on their flights to GRU [twice daily] and EZE-MVD [daily], they used to have a much more extensive network, serving destinations such as SCL from their now-closed hub at MIA.

Code-sharing with US is great way for UA to get the most out of its participation in StarAlliance.
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:25 am

This is good news for US. If they did use their own metal, which city would be their gateway?

And out of curiosity, if they are still planning to merge with DL (who has an extensive South American Network), why go through with this? I realize its good to US codesharing with UA, but why would it matter unless they dont think the merger will work out?
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:53 pm

Even if US Airways could fly to South America it wouldn't have the planes to get there.
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:26 am

US Airways has A330's in their fleet, what about repositioning their 330's to run these routes and use 757ETOPS on more European Routes.
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting LCFreeman49 (Reply 14):
US Airways has A330's in their fleet, what about repositioning their 330's to run these routes and use 757ETOPS on more European Routes.

Their 330s make so much money on their European routes, it would be VERY dumb to do that... bottom line is they need more 330s.
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting Mah584jr (Reply 13):
Even if US Airways could fly to South America it wouldn't have the planes to get there.

There's more to South America than EZE/MVD/GRU/GIG/SCL, you know.  Wink

US would have no problem flying to LIM/CCS/BOG using their existing narrowbody equipment.
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:23 am

Quoting LCFreeman49 (Reply 14):
US Airways has A330's in their fleet, what about repositioning their 330's to run these routes and use 757ETOPS on more European Routes.

I think our 762ERs have longer range, and those would be thinner routes anyway. Moot point, since the Europe routes are doing well and nobody is going to axe a profitable route for an experiment.
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:03 am

This is very interesting! Where would US fly to these cities from? If they fly it with there own planes that is.

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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:55 am

I was always surprised that NWA never applied for DTW-GRU....maybe their relationship with CO caused them to not want to do that
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:31 am

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 15):
Their 330s make so much money on their European routes, it would be VERY dumb to do that... bottom line is they need more 330s.

They have 10 A332s on order. However, I don't know when delivery is going to start.
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:14 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 20):
They have 10 A332s on order. However, I don't know when delivery is going to start.

I think the first one comes in 2009.
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:38 am

Phl or Charlotte to Buenos Aires would certainly be very brave of USairways. Service to Tokyo should be a bigger priority for US. A320 & 757 could do Bogota and Lima no problem,
 
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:16 pm

Perhaps US will consider the 787 and ditch the A350... or wait... nope, I looked out the window and didn't see any pigs flying...  Smile

Even if they were to do that, the wait list I think goes into 2012 or so for the 787, according to another post regarding the subject. At this point, the launch date/delivery date, whichever/I dunno anymore, for the A350 is around that time frame anyway, providing the thing even goes into assembly within the next few months or so. I doubt it.

Even still, the A350 will be flying at some point; I don't think Airbus would just all-of-a-sudden cancel that program and be out X billions of dollars/euros. US will have the privilage of flying it first.
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RE: US Airways Applies For Argentina And Uruguay

Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:06 pm

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 19):
I was always surprised that NWA never applied for DTW-GRU....maybe their relationship with CO caused them to not want to do that

Restrictions on slots right now. Another Brasilian carrier would need to apply and get service to the United States first and looks like Ocean Air will be there soon to LAX.

Quoting Treebeard787 (Reply 18):
This is very interesting! Where would US fly to these cities from? If they fly it with there own planes that is.

PHL would be a good one IMO as well as PHX.

Quoting A330323X (Reply 16):
There's more to South America than EZE/MVD/GRU/GIG/SCL, you know.

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Quoting LCFreeman49 (Reply 14):
US Airways has A330's in their fleet, what about repositioning their 330's to run these routes and use 757ETOPS on more European Routes.

If this happend I will personally never fly US over the pond ever again. I refuse to fly 757's on those routes. I already have to fly other airlines on certain routes to Europe and if this happend I would deffinatly switch my miles over to CO. Plus they would take a huge financial hit.
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