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CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Wed Jul 19, 2000 6:20 pm

I heard the news from my friend who's working Continental in Hong Kong. He said Continental will be starting service between EWR-HKG from Feb 2001. The type should B777-200. Do you heard about it (ContinentalEWR)?

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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Wed Jul 19, 2000 10:22 pm

Haven't heard this, but if CO does exercise options on 777's and the type
is approved for a polar route from NY to Hong Kong, then maybe. I bet
they could fill the plane.

We'll just have to see. I believe though the next spurt of Long Haul
growth for CO will be out of Houston, with more destinations in Europe
and Latin America.

Anyway, interesting idea. Thanks for the post.

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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Wed Jul 19, 2000 11:32 pm

Actually, Continental will be starting EWR-HKG. I know the exact date, as well. However, this information is coming out of 1600 Smith Street, therefore I cannot give too many details.
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Continental And Transpolar Routes

Thu Jul 20, 2000 8:44 am

Hello,

What was the policy regarding the flight tests made by different airlines, like American and United over the Pole, using Transpolar Routes?
I mean would Continental Airlines have to gain experience by itself like for ETOPS, or would they benefit directly from the experience gained from the airlines in general, and would launch say EWR-HKG using the Transpolar Routes from the first day of passenger revenue operations?


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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Thu Jul 20, 2000 1:57 pm

FIRST OF ALL CO. DOES NOT HAVE THE A/C TO FLY THIS ROUTE NON-STOP. CATHAY PACIFIC DID THE FLIGHT NON-STOP ONCE AS A PROVING TRIAL BUT THE FLIGHT WAS SEVERELY WEIGHT RESTRICTED. WITH THE NEW POLAR ROUTES OPENING UP SOON AND BETTER NAVIGATIONAL EQP. IT WILL BE POSSIBLE TO FLY THIS ROUTE NON-STOP BUT NOT WITH A 777. MAYBE THE NEW LONG RANGE 777 CAN MAKE IT. BUT THEN AGAIN THEIR IS ETOPS TO WORRY ABOUT. THE MOST PRACTICAL A/C WOULD BE THE A340-500 OR 747-400. WE'LL SEE.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Thu Jul 20, 2000 2:15 pm

I can assure you that CO wouldn't even think about placing an order for the AB (always broke) they did away with AB's several years ago, and with CEO Gordon Bethune's ties at Boeing don't look for CO to be placing an AB order any time this century. I doubt they'd consider a 747, as fleet commonality is important at CO. Let's not forget that just a few years ago the CO fleet boasted some 13 different types--now they're down to 6 (soon to be 7 with the 767 coming online in a month or so) I don't see why an EWR HKG flight wouldn't be possible with the 777-200ER. It does the IAH NRT and the EWR NRT route with no problems or serious weight restrictions. Who knows?
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Thu Jul 20, 2000 2:59 pm

If this is true, it's great news! AA will also be coming fairly soon with their 777s, and if CO joins in, then all we need is DLs 777 as well!!!

The Cathay A340 that flew Toronto-HKG was weight restricted in the panning stages, but as it turned out on the day, the aircraft could have departed at MTOW and still made it to HKG with no problems. Of course, as weather conditions change, this may not be possible on a daily basis.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Thu Jul 20, 2000 8:45 pm

Continental has 10 777 aircraft currently on option,
options that they are likely to exercise. They may
wait a bit and possibly convert the options into a
firm order and given their relationship with Boeing,
they might be able to get the extra-range version
of the 777 in which case they wouldn't have any
problems flying the route with a 777.

As for the Cathay Pacific trial flight from New
York, it was done with a 747-400, not a 777.
Continental will certainly not order Airbus jet
aircraft anytime soon. They don't need them
and don't fit the fleet commonality strategy
the airline has adopted as part of its fleet
renewal. The 747-400 is too large an aircraft
for Continental.

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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Thu Jul 20, 2000 9:30 pm

Given that the range of the 777-200ER (neé 777-200IGW) is still not sufficient to fly EWR/IAH-HKG non-stop, what I think may happen is that if CO gets the EWR/IAH-HKG route, they will use Anchorage (ANC?) as a refuelling stop on this route.

If the route was EWR/IAH-NRT, then the 777-200ER can fly this route non-stop.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Thu Jul 20, 2000 10:46 pm

According to the Boeing homepage, a 777-200ER can fly 8861miles while a 747-400 flies 8400 meaning that a 772ER can fly further. With this fact, I'm sure Continental can start this service.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Fri Jul 21, 2000 1:04 am

The 777-224ER does have the range to make EWR-HKG non-stop using the new polar routes which have opened up from the Russians.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Fri Jul 21, 2000 2:01 am

What about the runways? Newark doesn't have that long of runways, which are needed for those extra long flights, right?
 
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RE: Drerx7

Fri Jul 21, 2000 2:19 am

You really believe this crap you post, don't you? Now answer me this one? Since you claim to actually work for us, and that your working at HQ. What is your post there? You come in here all the time with these silly little comments about "The secret plans" yet its all stuff that has been announced. Also I find it hard to believe that a 16 to 20 year old would be working at HQ.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Fri Jul 21, 2000 2:25 am

If Newark's runways were short, then CO couldn't operate 777's to NRT now
could they?? Also, many airlines, including SIA, Virgin, Eva Air, El Al, Air
France, and Atlas Air use Newark with 747 equipment (-200, -300, -400's
and even -100's). If the runways were short, these planes couldn't land
there, now could they? I think you are thinking about LaGuardia, whose
runways are 7,000Ft long only, instead of the 10,000 ft normally seen at
airports.

LaGuardia cannot accomodate jets larger than the L1011/DC10 and
nowadays the largest jet you will see there is a DL 767-300.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Fri Jul 21, 2000 2:53 am

ContinentalEWR--

A 747 doesn't need a long runway to land.  

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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Fri Jul 21, 2000 3:33 am

No, Newark's runways are 8300 and 9200 ft long. I was reading somewhere that for those extra long-haul flights (like those to Hong Kong which require even more fuel), you need something like 11000+ ft long runways. That's why Boston doesn't have any flights to Asia (the KE flight stops at JFK). I'm just asking here...
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Fri Jul 21, 2000 3:36 am

If they can do it, its a great idea.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Fri Jul 21, 2000 5:37 am

The runways at EWR have been extended, I believe both are now over 10,000ft, one is 11,000, the other might be JUST under 10,000, but I think its around that.

Check www.panynj.gov for exact details of the extensions.

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EWR Runway Info...

Fri Jul 21, 2000 5:54 am

Runway Information (from http://www.airnav.com)

Runway 4L/22R
Dimensions: 11000 x 150 ft. / 3353 x 46 m
RY04L/22R 1000 FT BY 500 FT STOPWAYS BOTH ENDS.
Surface: asphalt/grooved, in good condition
Weight limitations: PCN 62/F/A/W/T
Double wheel: 191000 lbs
Double tandem: 358000 lbs
Dual double tandem: 873000 lbs

Runway 4R/22L
Dimensions: 9980 x 150 ft. / 3042 x 46 m
Surface: asphalt/grooved, in good condition
Weight limitations: PCN 62/F/A/W/T
Double wheel: 191000 lbs
Double tandem: 358000 lbs
Dual double tandem: 873000 lbs

Runway 11/29
Dimensions: 6800 x 150 ft. / 2073 x 46 m
Surface: asphalt/grooved, in good condition
Weight limitations: PCN 62/F/A/W/T
Double wheel: 191000 lbs
Double tandem: 358000 lbs
Dual double tandem: 873000 lbs


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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Fri Jul 21, 2000 11:43 am

I believe that if CO buys new 777LR's and go to HKG then they should move their Continental Micronesia hub out of Guam and into some airport with an actual city (not Agana). CO ought to dump NRT as a hub city; it's just too crowded what with JAL and NW and ANA already there.

Also, how does flying transpolar make it easier to go from EWR to HKG? I know it helps on the way from EWR-NRT because Japan is way north. But how does it help going to a SE Asia destination?
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Fri Jul 21, 2000 12:12 pm

DUHHHHHHH.....FLY BOEING. LOOK AT A GLOBE SOME TIME THEN ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN. THANKS!!!
 
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Polar Routes

Fri Jul 21, 2000 12:29 pm

Although the Polar routes might be a longer trip distance wise between EWR and HKG,flights encounter much less headwinds thus making for a faster fuel efficient trip to Asia.
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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Sun Jul 23, 2000 1:06 am

On the Yahoo, board, someone said that if this went through, we would hear an anouncement next month. They also mentioned something about HNL flts to Japan, which would include KIX and NRT. But I don't see how this is possibel with their current amount of widebodies.

Can someone actually clear this whole situation up with official info?
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)

Sun Jul 23, 2000 12:01 pm

Thanks for the tip on polar routes.

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