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Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:33 pm

The first RRJ 100 fuselage has arrived at Zhukovsky, which will be used for break tests at the labs there.

Picture: http://skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=3487
 
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:05 pm

Looks strangely similar to an EMB170, why can't the Russians ever come up with their own concept !
 
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:13 pm

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 1):
Looks strangely similar to an EMB170,

Actually, I think it looks more like the abandoned Dornier 728 project.


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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:01 pm

Quoting SNATH (Reply 2):
Actually, I think it looks more like the abandoned Dornier 728 project.

I agree, with you, its actually quite strange the similarity. Take a look at those Cockpit windows, they're nearly identical.
 
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:41 pm

Quoting SNATH (Reply 2):
Actually, I think it looks more like the abandoned Dornier 728 project.

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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:57 am

Checking the cockpit window style side-by-side, the RRJ's windows are much less tapered.

I do believe a number of companies (including Bombardier) went to Fairchild/Dornier to check the viability of the project when it went bankrupt. I would not be surprised if Sukhoi did a study of this aircraft when they were doing preliminary work on their own project.

OK, so Bombardier isn't exactly original in any of their other designs... I still believe they should have taken on the D728-928 project when they had the chance...

Enough about that...I think the RRJ will be a great success, given the amount of western technology being used in it.
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:32 am

Boeing is involved in the project, isn't it?

Beautiful aircraft though!

Sukhoi RRJ


[Edited 2007-01-29 20:46:51]
 
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:50 am

Sure is and in my eyes it looks like an A318 without the winglets.

I hope it does well in the future.
 
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 4):
Quoting SNATH (Reply 2):
Actually, I think it looks more like the abandoned Dornier 728 project.

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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:59 am

Quoting ENU (Reply 6):
Beautiful aircraft though!

definitely - and with the prestige of sukhoi and boeing behind it, it's got a lot of potential. all the best to them.

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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:22 am

I have the feeling it will be let down by its engines...

I remember them at the paris air show 2 years ago, great aircraft, stunning receptionists, shame about the really bad brochures...

the hold cannot accept containers, and to describe it as "bulk" is exactly how they represented it in pictures...

at least you know what to expect for your luggage
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:25 am

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 1):
Looks strangely similar to an EMB170, why can't the Russians ever come up with their own concept !

How many ways are there to make a tube look different? I think all aircraft except for the 747 look similar.
 
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:27 am

Quoting Chuchoteur (Reply 10):
I have the feeling it will be let down by its engines...

No, on the contrary ! Don't you know, SNECMA has designed most of the core ? I think the engine is far more modern than the competitors' GE CF34, which dates back to the seventies.

Quoting Chuchoteur (Reply 10):
the hold cannot accept containers

Neither can the competing aircraft, so that's unimportant.



BTW, the pic shows once again how big the An-124 is ! They even carried Tu-204 fuselages in them.
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:40 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 12):
Quoting Chuchoteur (Reply 10):
the hold cannot accept containers

Neither can the competing aircraft, so that's unimportant.

Actually, the A318 takes standard LD3 containers
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:41 am

Quoting Chuchoteur (Reply 13):
Actually, the A318 takes standard LD3 containers

No it doesn't.
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:29 am

Thank you ENU for posting the picture link. That's exciting news about the Sukhoi Superjet (that's the new name for their former 'Russian Regional Jet'-name)! Have the SAS partners still interest in this aircraft? Like Air Baltic?

http://skyliner-aviation.de/photos/polet-rrj-2.jpg
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:34 am

Otherwise we have to change our pdf ad...

http://www.liladesign.com/downloads/LilaDesignBalticRRJ.pdf
 
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:35 am

I dont trust the russians... another one of those flimsy attempts at a good basic concept...

Captain :" Roger that, let me just adjust the trim..., whoooops... button broke off... let me just glue that back on"
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:01 am

Quoting Cjh2007 (Reply 17):
I dont trust the russians... another one of those flimsy attempts at a good basic concept...

Captain :" Roger that, let me just adjust the trim..., whoooops... button broke off... let me just glue that back on"

I think you're mind is stuck in the '80s. The russians have built some solid frames, look at how alot of their older jets are still flying today. That and the newer designs, the IL96, the TU204, and now this one are nice and modern.
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting Graphic (Reply 18):
That and the newer designs, the IL96, the TU204, and now this one are nice and modern.

I think a lot of the negativity surrounding Russian jets originates with poor operators as opposed to poor designs. I think operating economics and manufacturer support are the reasons we don't see them in the West, as opposed to the idea that they are just unsafe. And I'm sure they are getting better on economics, but product support can be a tough one!
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 19):
That and the newer designs, the IL96, the TU204, and now this one are nice and modern.

Sure, like this TU-204!


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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:17 am

Quoting SNATH (Reply 2):
Actually, I think it looks more like the abandoned Dornier 728 project.

Pity this Airplane don´t flies , it looks so good , LH had an option on 60 .

Quoting ENU (Thread starter):
The first RRJ 100 fuselage has arrived at Zhukovsky, which will be used for break tests at the labs there.

I remember reading an article of LH being interested on this A/C .Maybe they buy it for the LH Regional fleet in some years .

How much RRJ 100 has SU ordered?
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:38 am

Looks like the ERJ190.
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 12):
BTW, the pic shows once again how big the An-124 is ! They even carried Tu-204 fuselages in them.

Hey, Russian Matreshka Jets! Think they can make it to 7 nesting jets? Looks cool!
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 21):
How much RRJ 100 has SU ordered?

30 Superjet 95's and an option for a further 20 according to Wikipedia (not a very reliable source though).

[Edited 2007-01-30 00:02:09]
 
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:28 am

Quoting Graphic (Reply 18):
The russians have built some solid frames, look at how alot of their older jets are still flying today. That and the newer designs, the IL96, the TU204, and now this one are nice and modern.

I agree. I think nobody gives them half a chance anymore. It's all A v B. Not A v B v I v T. I would totally love to see some Il-96s and Tu-154s in America.

[Edited 2007-01-30 00:30:41]
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:03 am

Quoting Graphic (Reply 18):

I think you're mind is stuck in the '80s. The russians have built some solid frames, look at how alot of their older jets are still flying today. That and the newer designs, the IL96, the TU204, and now this one are nice and modern.

I agree. If anything they are equal or even stronger than Western Aircraft...look at the type of environment that they operate in. Any aircraft that could survive those harsh winters have to be pretty strong.

I would love to fly on a Superjet, and I hope to see them in the US. Remember no one really gave Embraer a chance in the beginning, now look at them, #3 in the world. But they better watch it, Sukhoi may have built a gem and a good piece of competition.
 
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:20 am

Hey, I'm excited the russians finally made something that someone will buy. What is the production total on IL96 at? 17 or so?

Quoting A342 (Reply 12):
Quoting Chuchoteur (Reply 10):
I have the feeling it will be let down by its engines...

No, on the contrary ! Don't you know, SNECMA has designed most of the core ? I think the engine is far more modern than the competitors' GE CF34, which dates back to the seventies.

I'm sure SNECMA will do a good job... however the core of the CFM56 is based largely on work done by GE on different military cores, so I'm not sure what SNECMA will base the core design on, or if it will be clean sheet. In any event, I have faith in SNECMA.

As for the CF34, it underwent a substantial overhal in its design between its military service on S-3 and A-10 and its duty on Challenger and CRJ. Just like CF6-50 and CF6-80 were almost totally different engines, the new CF-34s are substantially new... they don't provide the impressive efficiency they do by accident.
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:46 am

Quoting Owleye (Reply 15):
Have the SAS partners still interest in this aircraft? Like Air Baltic?

I kind of doubt that BT will ever buy a Russian-made airplane due to the whole hatred of everything that is Russian. I think those 51 years of occupation have something to do with it. Although it will be interesting to see if I'm wrong.

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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:29 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 12):
I think the engine is far more modern than the competitors' GE CF34, which dates back to the seventies.

Depends on if you're talking CF34-8 or CF34-10. The -10 is a new centerline engine, based on a 70% scale of the CFM56. It features 3D aero for fan, booster, and compressor; not seventies aero.

Try not to paint with so broad a brush.
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:48 pm

Well- they did manage to convince the EBRD to help finance it, so clearly there are some Westerners who think it has some potential...
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:57 pm

Probably the first Russian jetliner that I don't find attractive. That thing is almost as ugly as the A318.

I thought it would at least look better than those ungainly Embraers but.. i don't know. Out of these shortys with wing-mounted engines I would've liked to see the Dornier.. precisely the only one who's not being produced, great :/

[Edited 2007-01-30 05:58:12]
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:04 pm

Quoting ENU (Reply 6):
Boeing is involved in the project, isn't it?

I read some time ago that Boeing was involved in marketing and setting up the service side of the project. If that's correct, I would think that's a big boost to the credibility of the project.
 
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:32 pm

Anyone find those cockpit windows HUGE?? They seem massive compared to standard western windows...

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 27):
Hey, I'm excited the russians finally made something that someone will buy. What is the production total on IL96 at? 17 or so?

The IL-96 is gorgeous, IMHO. Its a real shame that Ilyushin doesn't have the resources to really upgrade and fully modernize this aircraft, as it unfortunately can't really compete with even the A340 line when it comes to range. Plus, its still using Russian engines and not the promised -400 with extended range, Pratt and Whitney engines, and Honeywell avionics shown back in the early 90s. Given half a chance, it could really be an excellent plane for North American operators.
 
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:57 pm

Quoting Cjh2007 (Reply 17):
I dont trust the russians... another one of those flimsy attempts at a good basic concept...

Wait a minute. This SSJ project is a cooperation between Russian and Western aviation manufacturers and investors.
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:18 pm

Quoting Cjh2007 (Reply 17):

Captain :" Roger that, let me just adjust the trim..., whoooops... button broke off... let me just glue that back on"

Those unqualified comments are annoying.

Quoting Art (Reply 32):
I read some time ago that Boeing was involved in marketing and setting up the service side of the project.

From what I know they still are.

Quoting OwlEye (Reply 34):
This SSJ project is a cooperation between Russian and Western aviation manufacturers and investors.

Correct. Boeing, Snecma and Alenia more precisely. But Suchoj don't really need western companies to build a great aircraft, but rather to attract western airlines.
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:38 pm

I hope to see this jet flying around! That would be soo cool to fly on that jet!
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:31 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 35):
But Suchoj don't really need western companies to build a great aircraft, but rather to attract western airlines.

Agree! For the SSJ it's a good thing western companies are involved which makes sales easier to western airlines. The sale price of this Superjet seems to be very competitive.

 
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:46 pm

Quoting Art (Reply 32):
I read some time ago that Boeing was involved in marketing and setting up the service side of the project. If that's correct, I would think that's a big boost to the credibility of the project.

Boeing's involvement would actually appear to be fairly limited - advisors only, judging from their own press releases...

That's why Boeing Commercial Airplanes is serving as a contract adviser to the Russian Regional Jet program, led by Sukhoi Civil Aircraft, on the development and marketing of an airplane designed to compete with those made by Bombardier and Embraer.
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:52 pm

Why didn't Boeing step into the market of smaller jets?
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:08 pm

Quoting Cjh2007 (Reply 17):
Captain :" Roger that, let me just adjust the trim..., whoooops... button broke off... let me just glue that back on"

Heh, funny. Although I imagine that this would more likely happen in one of those Boeings or Airbuses, made of plastic.  Smile

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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:58 pm

Paint your own Sukhoi Superjet 100 at the 'entertainment' page at Sukhoi's official Superjet 100 website: http://www.sukhoi.superjet100.com/en_flash.html

For professional liveries go to a specializing graphic design company...  wink 
 
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:09 pm

Is it an understatement that I find the Sukhoi Superjet 100 company livery design "different" than I expected for the introduction of a new aircraft?

http://www.liladesign.com/Sukhoi-Superjet-100-intro.jpg
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:26 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 27):
I'm sure SNECMA will do a good job... however the core of the CFM56 is based largely on work done by GE on different military cores, so I'm not sure what SNECMA will base the core design on, or if it will be clean sheet. In any event, I have faith in SNECMA.

It was based on a brand-new demonstrator core called the SM21, IIRC.

Quoting F14D4ever (Reply 29):
Depends on if you're talking CF34-8 or CF34-10. The -10 is a new centerline engine, based on a 70% scale of the CFM56. It features 3D aero for fan, booster, and compressor; not seventies aero.

Try not to paint with so broad a brush.

Haha, the CFM56 also dates back to the seventies. I know, the -7 is from the nineties, but still it ain't the most modern engine anymore.


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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:46 am

In the next week, 6-13 February 2007, issue of 'Flight International' there will be a Superjet special.
 
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RE: Picture Of First Sukhoi Superjet 100 Fuselage

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting Cjh2007 (Reply 17):
I dont trust the russians... another one of those flimsy attempts at a good basic concept...

Captain :" Roger that, let me just adjust the trim..., whoooops... button broke off... let me just glue that back on"

you cannot be serious.

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