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BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:14 am

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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:56 am

Evidently not Big grin

At least they are expanding in the UK , given their desertion this year Big grin
 
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:57 am

I thought this was going to be some kind of spoof. How odd.

The quote from the Devon and Conrnwall Business Council almost seems disappointed that BA has returned!
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:02 am

Quoting BAxMAN (Reply 2):

I sincerely doubt they are disappointed
 
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:07 am

Could BA be on the road to becoming the new BMI?
What's next? LGW-EMA on B737s?  Silly
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:15 am

Three airlines competing London to Newquay - BA, Ryanair and Air Southwest!

Someone ain't going to survive!
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting Door5right (Reply 5):
Three airlines competing London to Newquay - BA, Ryanair and Air Southwest!

Someone ain't going to survive!

Ryanair  Wink
I read elsewhere that they may announce that they will be dropping NQY-STN flights shortly
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:18 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 3):
I sincerely doubt they are disappointed



Quoting Tim Jones, chairman of the Devon and Cornwall Business Council:
it's certainly good news for Cornwall, but it will undoubtedly have an impact on Air South West who filled the slot."

Not the most enthusiastic welcome for a new airline commencing services to your area.

It's kinda like when your old Aunty Eileen, who you don't really like, turns up unannounced on your doorstep on Sunday afternoon when you were about to settle down and watch the Mighty Reds of Manchester demolish their hapless foes.

[Edited 2007-01-29 21:19:59]
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:24 am

Excellent news and a welcome return on the LGW-NQY run from BA.
 
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Ryanair

Might not Mr O'Leary relish the thought of going into battle with BA on this route?
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:29 am

Quoting Door5Right (Reply 9):

Honestly though, who are the people of Cornwall going to choose, business PAX weill go BA, and holiday makers on the cheap will go Fr, unless BA gives blinding prices
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:32 am

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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:36 am

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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:38 am

Quoting LGW (Reply 11):

Full service?
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:47 am

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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:49 am

It has got to be good news for NQY and Cornwall, but flying a 737 seems a bit of an over kill for this kind of route and BA are unlikely to be able to fill their aircrafts to the same extent at Ryanair. Even though they are advertising fares for £35 each way this is only going to be a lead in fare and the vast majority of the rest of the seats sold will be far more expensive!

Also with only one flight a day, the flight times which are mid-afternoon are not exactly great times to be getting onward connections, to long haul flights using the BA network out of LGW. Especially when most of their US flights depart LGW before midday.

I don't think the flights will operate much longer than this summer only and hope this does not damage or harm Air Southwest, which has been a loyal airline to the folks of the West Country. Unfortunately an airline this size has very limited resources compared to the likes of BA which could very simply squeeze them out of the market...

Quoting Door5right (Reply 5):
Three airlines competing London to Newquay - BA, Ryanair and Air Southwest!

You forgot Aer Arrann as they fly 4-5 times a week between LTN-NQY, I think this is a summer only service like last year...

[Edited 2007-01-29 21:52:41]
 
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 4):
Could BA be on the road to becoming the new BMI?
What's next? LGW-EMA on B737s?

I'd like LGW to LBA with 737s!

Great news for NQY though; even if the flight is too late for long haul connections, there's a high number of European and GT flights it can connect to.

Maybe they'll go twice daily before long, to allow for daytrips.
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:14 am

I've been informed by one of the hard working Gatwick girls that LGW-NQY will start on the 20th March.

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 16):
I'd like LGW to LBA with 737s!

Didn't BA operate LGW-LBA a few years ago with a J41? Or am I confusing myself?

[Edited 2007-01-29 22:16:01]
 
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:15 am

Just checked out prices Fri 20th April returning London Sunday 22nd:

Ryanair: £118.94 (Ryanair prices always more expensive on a Fri/Sun)

BA: £69.10

So maybe if it is a weekend trip BA will do well - their prices seems to be the same every flight.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 15):
You forgot Aer Arrann

Heavens - I did not realise they too flew to Newquay. Such choice!
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:17 am

Quoting LGW" class=quote target=_blank>LGW (Reply 17):
I've been informed by one of the hard working Gatwick girls that LGW-NQY will start on the 20th March.

Is that before the end of the NCL service? I wonder where they are getting the slots from.
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting LGW" class=quote target=_blank>LGW (Reply 17):
Didn't BA operate LGW-LBA a few years ago with a J41? Or am I confusing myself?

They did, but they ended the route when they pulled out of CWL and LBA completely in 2003 (at a similar time to pulling out from NQY too I believe).
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:21 am

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 16):

Not half as much as I do, would love to see BA again @ LBA  Sad

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 20):
They did, but they ended the route when they pulled out of CWL and LBA completely in 2003 (at a similar time to pulling out from NQY too I believe).

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Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:07 am

Shock news - who saw this one coming?
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:10 am

I don't understand why they write Plymouth to Gatwick via Newquay. Surely it should be Newquay to Gatwick via Plymouth?

Newquay is further so they serve it last. Surely thats how they should write it?

'Air South West, which took over the Gatwick service from BA in 2003, currently operates up to five flights a day from Plymouth to Gatwick via Newquay'.

Anyone know why? It isn't the first time Ive seen it written down when talking about 1 stop flights.
 
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:27 pm

Quoting LGW" class=quote target=_blank>LGW (Reply 17):
I've been informed by one of the hard working Gatwick girls that LGW-NQY will start on the 20th March.

 biggrin 

It does not appear to run on saturdays, I wonder wether we will still handle Airsouthwest? Could be interesting to watch the loads of both flights to see who does the best.
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:38 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 22):
Shock news - who saw this one coming?

I don't think anyone did! I'm hoping this is the start of the reintroduction of BA in the regions, following the sale of BA Connect.

If every UK region had a link to London on BA, that would be a good start.

Any chance they can keep the LGW to IOM and INV routes rather than give them to BE?

BA flights from LGW to LPL, LBA and even BHD/BFS would be good.

Quoting LGWspeedbird (Reply 24):
Could be interesting to watch the loads of both flights to see who does the best.

I expect they will complement each other. BA will be more attractive to the connecting passenger and the business passenger, whilst Air Southwest will be more attractive for the low cost traveller.
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:49 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 23):
Newquay is further so they serve it last. Surely thats how they should write it?

Dep PLH 06.45, NQY 07.20, arr LGW 08.30 Daily
Dep PLH 10.25, NQY 11.05, arr LGW 12.15 Daily
Dep PLH 14.10, NQY 14.45, arr LGW 15.55 Daily
Dep PLH 17.45, NQY 18.15, arr LGW 19.25 Daily

Will give PLH 4x daily with a stop at NQY before continuing to LGW...

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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:25 am

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 25):
Any chance they can keep the LGW to IOM and INV routes rather than give them to BE?

BA flights from LGW to LPL, LBA and even BHD/BFS would be good.

I agree. Having them to LGW instead of LHR is better than nothing at all.

Quoting Flyingfool (Reply 26):
Dep PLH 06.45, NQY 07.20, arr LGW 08.30 Daily
Dep PLH 10.25, NQY 11.05, arr LGW 12.15 Daily
Dep PLH 14.10, NQY 14.45, arr LGW 15.55 Daily
Dep PLH 17.45, NQY 18.15, arr LGW 19.25 Daily

So the flight starts in Plymouth...then flies to Newquay...then on to Gatwick?

Seems a strange way of doing it as you are backtracking almost. Would make more sense to start the flight in Newquay...then on to Plymouth....then fly up to Gatwick. Surely??
 
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:41 am

Who cares? I'm just glad they're back to flying it. I'm not a big WOW fan.
 
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 27):
So the flight starts in Plymouth...then flies to Newquay...then on to Gatwick?

Seems a strange way of doing it as you are backtracking almost. Would make more sense to start the flight in Newquay...then on to Plymouth....then fly up to Gatwick. Surely??

I think they go LGW-Plymouth-NQY-LGW. So passengers to both airports have a stop one way and a non-stop flight the other
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:42 am

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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:51 am

This route just doesn't make sense!

It's hardly going to appeal to business travellers when they don't get into London til midday, then have to leave in the morning the day after, it would take them a two night stay at a hotel to get a full days work done, or a one night stay for any kind of meeting, so why bother doing that when you have the flexibility of Air Southwest for an extra £3 each way??

For the leisure travellers maybe, but that'll only be for weekends in London/Cornwall, and with no Saturday service even that's pushing it a bit when they have 3 other airlines to chose from!

I think they need to offer a better schedule and re-think the aircraft they're using before this route is successful!
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:31 pm

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 31):
I think they need to offer a better schedule and re-think the aircraft they're using before this route is successful!

I agree with that. I think BA should purchase a few smaller aircraft when replacing its LGW short haul fleet.

By the way... LGW to NQY is still not mentioned at all on the BA website (although you can buy tickets from LGW to NQY, but not the other way).

Is just me or is this new route all a bit suspicious?!
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:46 pm

Isn't the runway at Plymouth very short? Maybe thats why Air Southwest depart from the airport first so theres no payload limits to worry about?
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:54 pm

BA cant fly a 737 into PLY - the runway is very short indeed, even for a Dash-8.
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:46 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 34):
BA cant fly a 737 into PLY - the runway is very short indeed, even for a Dash-8.

Even for a Dash-8? But Dash-8's DO fly into Plymouth, so it can't be THAT short!
 
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:49 am

Air Southwest are buggered.
Ouch.

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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:11 am

BA are probably keeping a slot warm, so to speak.

One big thing BA will have over WOW is the ability to carry surf boards down to NQY plus the fact the flight is direct should attract a few people.
 
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:27 am

Quoting LGW (Reply 37):
plus the fact the flight is direct

Does the WOW flight have a stop on the way to NQY ??
 
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:28 am

Quoting LGW (Reply 37):
One big thing BA will have over WOW is the ability to carry surf boards down to NQY plus the fact the flight is direct should attract a few people.

Plus capacity over those dash 8s, faster flight time, less expensive, better service, lounges etc etc the list goes on

Sad  Sad I like WOW. Good flights.

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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:37 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 38):
Does the WOW flight have a stop on the way to NQY ??

All but the evening LGW-NQY services on WOW operate via PLH.

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 39):
Plus capacity over those dash 8s, faster flight time, less expensive, better service, lounges etc etc the list goes on

Sad Sad I like WOW. Good flights

I agree in part, WOW are very annoyed (and understandably so) at BA's decision to operate it's own daily LGW-NQY from March; WOW are moving to the South Terminal and will no longer be handled by BA, in reaction to the new route.

I think WOW have done a god job for South West residents after Brymon was wound up but now I have a vested interest, I hope BA murder WOW on LGW-NQY  Wink
 
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:02 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 27):
So the flight starts in Plymouth...then flies to Newquay...then on to Gatwick?

Seems a strange way of doing it as you are backtracking almost. Would make more sense to start the flight in Newquay...then on to Plymouth....then fly up to Gatwick. Surely??

Plymouth is Air Southwest's home base and maintenance base, so the flights originate from here so that maintenance can be done overnight. Plus flying a triangle route is more economical than other options such as flying NQY-PLH-LGW-PLH-NQY.

Quoting BMED (Reply 33):
Isn't the runway at Plymouth very short? Maybe thats why Air Southwest depart from the airport first so theres no payload limits to worry about?

The main runway (13/31) is 1161m long, but it's at an elevation of 476 feet and is sandwiched between the sea on one side, and high moorland on the other - so frequently it's shut due to fog and other associated bad weather.

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 35):
Even for a Dash-8? But Dash-8's DO fly into Plymouth, so it can't be THAT short!

It used to be restricted, but now they can take off with a full load. The problem was that literally just a few feet from the end of Runway 13 was a main road, but since that has been diverted and the safety area extended the full length of the runway can be used. With a full load the Dash will use just half to two thirds of the runway, so it's not that bad, and ATR42's can operate in and out as well. In theory the 146 could land here (we get several Royal Flight visits each year), since the safety areas and surface have been upgraded there is a good comparison to LCY, but unfortunately I suspect there are too many NIMBY's to ever allow a jet service.

Depending on the timings, I can see the BA service as being the end of Air Southwest - certainly in the South West; since the new Air Taxes have come in, passenger numbers on their PLH-BRS flights have dropped off, last time I flew it I was the only one! the PLH-NQY-LGW route is their most profitable by far, but, the majority of passengers are for NQY, not PLH. Also the type of passenger is important; most of those going to NQY are flying for leisure; second home owners escaping to the country from London, or locals who are returning from a holiday, where-as most of the business pax originate from PLH. If BA provide a cheaper alternative then within reason leisure pax are not going to be fussy about the timings, and without them filling up the planes in NQY the route would struggle.

Will be interesting to see what happens.

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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:12 am

I have to admit this one even caught me a bit by surprise.

As for the Air Southwest issue, I suspect it may well have an impact. However there are bigger issues for WOW long term than this BA service. But none that it would be appropriate for me to share my views on.

Mind you - 4 carriers flying from NQY to three London airports. Incredible  Wow! How many other places in the UK have that sort of competition to London ? Mind you i don't think it will stay 4 carriers for long, question of who cuts their losses first.

As for the potential market for BA. Second home ownership in Cornwall, particularly North Cornwall is stil growing dramatrically - house prices are the fastest growing in the country. And many of the second home owners are very wealthy businesspeople or celebrities in the likes of Padstow/Rock (Kensington on Sea or Knightsbridge-sur-la-Plage as it is known locally), Port Isaac, St Ives and so on. There is also a fast growing level of wealthy commuters who work in London in the week and fly out to their seaside pad for the weekend to rejoin their families. The train is just too slow and this is a market that the airlines are exploiting.
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:44 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 42):
Mind you - 4 carriers flying from NQY to three London airports. Incredible Wow! How many other places in the UK have that sort of competition to London ? Mind you i don't think it will stay 4 carriers for long, question of who cuts their losses first.

Rumours still around of FR dropping STN-NQY
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:51 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 43):
Rumours still around of FR dropping STN-NQY

Really? I think they should personally. And I think they should drop BLK as well and let BA concentrate on them (even though BA do not serve BLK already). But I reckon they should and could....even if it is from Gatwick. Would allow them for onward connections to Europe and various worldwide destinations.
 
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:58 am

Just a thought, I wonder if it will be a triangle route? They could operate a morning LGW-NQY-JER-LGW service, and perhaps reverse that during the evening. Air Southwest have reasonably good loads on PLH-JER, so it may work.

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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:50 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 43):
Rumours still around of FR dropping STN-NQY

Yes i heard that too. Thing is with FR you never know how much is posturing for a better deal and how much is genuine until it happens. FR got a fantastic deal from NQY when they moved in where it airport actually made a loss on the FR services there (as the economic benefit to the region outweighed this). I suspect that now with other carriers flying to London the county council and airport bosses are less prepared to give into FR's demands.
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:30 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 44):
And I think they should drop BLK as well and let BA concentrate on them (even though BA do not serve BLK already). But I reckon they should and could....even if it is from Gatwick. Would allow them for onward connections to Europe and various worldwide destinations.

I don't think FR would move out to let BA concentrate on BLK, but I think BA could successfully operate the route.

As I've said before, BA should connect a lot more of the UK regions to London, especially once their presence in the regions disappears following the sale of BA Connect.

BLK, LPL, LBA, MME, BFS/BHD... anything is possible now the NQY route has proved they are actually interested in the UK regions!
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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:55 pm

Quoting LGW (Reply 37):
BA are probably keeping a slot warm, so to speak.

One big thing BA will have over WOW is the ability to carry surf boards down

I suspect there's a lot of truth in both these, especially the former. The scheduling of the BA flights is rubbish for business travellers based at either end of the route.

How is BA doing at Gatwick these days? Other websites are filled with gossip about route cutbacks and redundancies once T5 is online, though that seems a bit drastic to me.

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RE: BA To Relaunch LGW-NQY Flights With 737s

Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:44 pm

Wow! That's a surprise, I assume it'll start with a 737-500,

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