gilesdavies
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Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:36 am

Birmingham International Airports (BHX) has today received approval from the airports board to submit plans for a 400 metre extension to the southern end of runway 15/33.

The airport have their heights set very high and are hopeful if the runway extension goes ahead they will be able to attract airlines to offer flights to the West Coast of the USA and the Far East...

If approval gets the go ahead, the runway will have a total length of 3005 metres long. They also want to get the runway extension in place before 2012, as they feel they will be able to benefit from the London Olympics.

One of the major planning issues that will face BHX in the approval of the extension is by the planning authorities, as there is a small village called Bickenhall located between the M42 motorway and the southern end of runway 15/33. In the village there is an ancient church which is right under the flight path of the runway and will need to be cleared or moved in order for the extension to go-ahead. This is also going to be a melting-pot for locals who will oppose the extension.



BIRMINGHAM INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT PRESS RELEASE

Airport Says that Longer Runway Will Enhance Global Connectivity

Birmingham International Airport (BIA) today confirmed that it has secured Board approval to finalise a Planning Application for the extension to the main runway.

A 400-metre extension to the southern end of the existing runway would increase the potential range of Birmingham’s existing aircraft types, make BIA competitive with Manchester and the London Airports, and stimulate the regional economy. Plans for an extension date back to 1995.

Business leaders have long supported an extension to the main runway, and research by Loughborough University has indicated that Birmingham is only connected with 3 of the ‘top twenty’ fastest growing ‘Global Cities’ – primarily because of runway length.

There are around nine million people within a one-hour drive of Birmingham International Airport; of those that fly, only 44% use BIA – primarily because the short runway does not support the demand for long-haul destinations.

It would be possible to complete the work by 2012, bringing the benefits of Global Connectivity to the Midlands in the same year as the UK hosts the Olympic Games.

BIA’s Head of Corporate and Community Affairs, John Morris, said:

“Adding another 400 metres to the main runway will dramatically increase the capability of Birmingham International Airport and the economic fortunes of the region - by providing the opportunity for direct flights to the West Coast USA, the Far East and other long-haul destinations”.
 
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:03 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
One of the major planning issues that will face BHX in the approval of the extension is by the planning authorities, as there is a small village called Bickenhall located between the M42 motorway and the southern end of runway 15/33.

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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:47 am

I know PK had problems operating their B772ER out of BHX due to the short runway..I hope this will alleviate this particular situation ...
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EGBJ
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:20 pm

Good news for BHX although I guess a looooong consultation follows before any ground is broken.

[Edited 2007-01-30 12:21:28]
 
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:28 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
I know PK had problems operating their B772ER out of BHX due to the short runway..I hope this will alleviate this particular situation ...

What about EK? Wouldn't they have similar problems with their 2x daily, too?? Or do they use 330s?
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:43 pm

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 4):
Or do they use 330s?

EK use the 777 on the daily DXB rotation....they even used a 777-300 last October for a short while.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
I know PK had problems operating their B772ER out of BHX

PK now use the A310 into BHX

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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:43 pm

Great news that someone has finally got the ball rolling...and nice to see the research coming from my department at Loughborough Uni!
 
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:50 pm

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 4):
What about EK? Wouldn't they have similar problems with their 2x daily, too?? Or do they use 330s?

EK use both 777's and A330's. 777's for the afternoon departure and 330's for the evening.

During the summer they replace the 772ER flight with a 773ER which doesn't seem to have any problems, though its uses 80-85% of the runway.

I think this is good news for BHX. I think in the long run it will happen but their will be up roar about Bickenhill's church.
 
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:00 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
If approval gets the go ahead, the runway will have a total length of 3005 metres long. They also want to get the runway extension in place before 2012, as they feel they will be able to benefit from the London Olympics.

Seems like a very tight timescale to get planning permission, then hear the appeal, then tender for contractors etc. But maybe possible.
 
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:58 pm

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 5):
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 4):
Or do they use 330s?

EK use the 777 on the daily DXB rotation....they even used a 777-300 last October for a short while.



Quoting ThomasCook757 (Reply 7):

EK use both 777's and A330's. 777's for the afternoon departure and 330's for the evening.

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Quoting EGBJ (Reply 5):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
I know PK had problems operating their B772ER out of BHX

PK now use the A310 into BHX

..my bad, I should have said "a few years ago"...as they haven't used the B772ER @ BHX in a while..... Smile

...I got my information from the UK CAA..... Smile

Quoting ThomasCook757 (Reply 7):
During the summer they replace the 772ER flight with a 773ER which doesn't seem to have any problems, though its uses 80-85% of the runway.

..could be the loads aren't the highest on the B777's but larger than the A330's
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:24 am

AI, however, do use the 772ER from BHX, to Toronto, and some bit in India I can't spell  Wink Amistirar or somewhere?
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension

Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:09 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
..could be the loads aren't the highest on the B777's but larger than the A330's

I have flown the DXB-BHX route several times with EK now and haven't been able to see a spare seat on the 777 flight. My wife was upgraded on our last flight as they ran out of Y seats.

I think as BHX is not big on cargo with East Midlands being so close it is cargo that is left behind. The flight is only about 7 hours from DXB so I don't imagine a full fuel load is needed either.
 
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
If approval gets the go ahead, the runway will have a total length of 3005 metres long. They also want to get the runway extension in place before 2012, as they feel they will be able to benefit from the London Olympics.



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
I know PK had problems operating their B772ER out of BHX due to the short runway..I hope this will alleviate this particular situation ...

Ok I get the award for the dumbest A.Netter today. I am reading this post thinking, how in the world is Birmingham, Alabama (BHM) planning on benefiting from London Olympics travel. Then I go on to read that PK had problems flying a 772ER out (still assumed) BHM, and I am thinking, when did that ever happen. Sheesh I am an idiot.
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:45 am

great news for BHX, has anyone got any plans of the proposed extenmsion, i.e. how much of that spare land will be taken up?

P.S. Alex, i agree, Loughborough is doing a great job on this, as were in the same department :-p

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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:23 am

Quoting SuseJ772 (Reply 12):

Ok I get the award for the dumbest A.Netter today. I am reading this post thinking, how in the world is Birmingham, Alabama (BHM) planning on benefiting from London Olympics travel. Then I go on to read that PK had problems flying a 772ER out (still assumed) BHM, and I am thinking, when did that ever happen. Sheesh I am an idiot.

lol..don't worry, all of us make mistakes here...I've had to  footinmouth  many times over.... Wink

Quoting Ozair (Reply 11):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
..could be the loads aren't the highest on the B777's but larger than the A330's

I have flown the DXB-BHX route several times with EK now and haven't been able to see a spare seat on the 777 flight. My wife was upgraded on our last flight as they ran out of Y seats.

I think as BHX is not big on cargo with East Midlands being so close it is cargo that is left behind. The flight is only about 7 hours from DXB so I don't imagine a full fuel load is needed either.

...then I guess its minus cargo...which allow EK to "fill 'er up" with pax..but again, I have cited United Kingdom's CAA report..

"PIA has in the past used some of its current fifth-freedom rights from Birmingham and some from Manchester. Recently it has introduced the 777 aircraft for the through services to North American destinations except for New York. The 777 reportedly cannot take off with a full payload from the Birmingham runway. PIA has therefore transferred all of its through services to Manchester."**

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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:15 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 10):
some bit in India I can't spell Amistirar or somewhere?

Close! All the right letters. Just the wrong order. Amritsar.
 
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:56 pm

With the 400m extension, will there be any chance of a 747 using the airport, even if it is slightly weight restricted?

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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:18 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 16):
will there be any chance of a 747 using the airport

I would say definately so....747's do occasionally appear at BHX but only on charters that are usually weight restricted. With the runway extension I wouldn't have thought this would be necessary but can't see any airlines operating the 747 into BHX on a scheduled basis anytime soon.

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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:30 am

EK 777's carry a heck of a large amount of cargo both inbound and outbound from BHX. Their 330's do not do too bad either. Since their flights stated out of BHX I have used their flights on an almost daily basis with tonnage.

Also do not forget that PK started their flights into BHX with B743 equipment.
The first flight they operated we also had a B742F on the ground doing a charter for auto engines. I actually have a photo of both of the aircraft on the ground just after the PK flight had landed.

I know the planning dept at BHX have got various targets on routes they want to see available from here within the next 5-10 years (including various Middle East, Far East and US destinations). It is now a case of attracting the Airlines and making sure the Airport is marketed in the correct way to keep the Airlines here. This is why the BA flight to NYC failed. The business community were told "use it or lose it". They didnt and BA pulled the service.
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:17 am

Quoting Dc10bhx (Reply 18):
Also do not forget that PK started their flights into BHX with B743 equipment.

The I remember this service operating...

The only way they could get their 747-300's out of Birmingham was with them operating via CPH. All of the flights stopped in CPH to re-fuel andpick up additional passengers and cargo, but the vast majority of the passengers had boarded at BHX...

In order for BHX to get Far East traffic, the only operator capable of operating this route and make a success of it is likely to be Singapore Airlines. But one of the main problems they would pose is that Emirates already serves most of the onward connections that Singapore Airlines already operate to Asia and Austraila.

Is there enough room for another Middle Eastern carrier to operate out of BHX like Qatar, Gulf or Etihad?
 
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:24 pm

Quoting Dc10bhx (Reply 18):
EK 777's carry a heck of a large amount of cargo both inbound and outbound from BHX. Their 330's do not do too bad either. Since their flights stated out of BHX I have used their flights on an almost daily basis with tonnage.

Interesting, I was not aware they were that loaded with cargo.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 19):
the only operator capable of operating this route and make a success of it is likely to be Singapore Airlines

I have often thought SQ would be a good option. I'd like to see them fly their 787s into quite a few new cities in Europe. It would certainly open up their brand in the UK.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 19):
Is there enough room for another Middle Eastern carrier to operate out of BHX like Qatar, Gulf or Etihad?

Gulf have advertised this as coming several times and then remove if from the schedule again. It would be nice to see Kingfisher or another sub-continent airline but I don't think any other Middle East airlines will see service now EK is so entrenched.
 
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:10 pm

Quoting Ozair (Reply 20):
I have often thought SQ would be a good option. I'd like to see them fly their 787s into quite a few new cities in Europe. It would certainly open up their brand in the UK.

They already fly to MAN. Would SQ want to use a/c to open up a new city that is so close? I'd imagine there are other cities that they want to try and fly to before BHX. Though you never know...
 
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension

Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:22 pm

Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 21):
They already fly to MAN. Would SQ want to use a/c to open up a new city that is so close? I'd imagine there are other cities that they want to try and fly to before BHX. Though you never know...

I was probably meaning more continental cities compared to UK but still I would love to see them at BHX.

I think BHX has the ability to really grow if they give themselves a chance. More flights out of BHX would also be a step towards reducing the congestion of the London airports especially for those traveling from the midlands that would not have to make the dreaded M25 transit. Since the EK flight to BHX started my wife and I have not flown anyone else. The 45 minute drive to her parents place compared to 2 1/2 hours from LHR after a 24 hour flight is worth the few extra dollars we pay.
 
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RE: Birmingham Commence Plans For Runway Extension.

Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:17 pm

Quoting Ozair (Reply 22):
I think BHX has the ability to really grow if they give themselves a chance. More flights out of BHX would also be a step towards reducing the congestion of the London airports especially for those traveling from the midlands that would not have to make the dreaded M25 transit.

I agree with this so much. I travel SIN-BHX about 3 or 4 times a year and I do my best to avoid Heathrow. There does seem to be an unfair bias towards Heathrow (especially where BA is concerned). Having said that I don't think it is very likley that we will see a direct SIN-BHX flight anytime soon. There are a few options on this route (KLM, Air France, Emirates) for reasonable prices.

BHX is a bit "stuck in the middle". What I mean is connections (lack of) to Heathtrow. For example, you can fly SIN-LHR then easliy get a connection to Manchester. But, it you want to get to Birmingham and want to take advantage of decent carriers and serivce like BA and SQ then you have a very akward train journey.

It would definately be a boost to the West Midlands area if BHX can expand a bit instead of Heathrow becoming bigger and bigger all the time.