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Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:58 pm

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Airbus, maker of the delayed A380 superjumbo, is in talks with two potential buyers of private versions of the $300 million plane that the company calls the "flying palace."

"They are not customers until they sign, but there are two very interested parties," Richard Gaona, vice president of Airbus' executive and private aviation unit, said in an interview Monday in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. "It's going to be a private jet," Gaona said, adding that one of the customers was in the Middle East...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/301644_airbus30.html

[Edited 2007-01-30 15:02:11]
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:13 pm

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"Airbus could sell 400 Flying Palaces and it won't save the program," said Doug McVitie, managing director of Arran Aerospace, a Dinan, France-based consulting company. "Airbus won't make a lot of money on sales like this because these guys want everything done their own way, so with highly customized planes, you reduce by a large percentage the number of components Airbus could provide."

That guy is an "aviation analyst"?? These will likely be the most lucrative sales of all... a small order, little chance to get a large discount, little need to customize the cabin/plane as it will be delivered green to Jet Aviation, Lufthansa Technik etc. A pricey green airframe on a single order... should be a very nice profit.

He makes it sound as if Airbus would be doing the whole customizing and cabin fit out - on which planet is he living? Both Airbus and Boeing don´t want to have this non-standart business as it is way too expensive for them.
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:31 pm

So if one customer is in the Middle East, where would the other be? Could it be from Russia with the new Oligarchs!! Perhaps Roman Abromovich??
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:45 pm

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 1):

That guy is an "aviation analyst"?? These will likely be the most lucrative sales of all... a small order, little chance to get a large discount, little need to customize the cabin/plane as it will be delivered green to Jet Aviation, Lufthansa Technik etc. A pricey green airframe on a single order... should be a very nice profit.

What some of those 'analysts' write makes me wonder how much research they put in their work.

Here's an article posted today regarding a sale of an A340VIP to a private Arab client.

"it (Airbus) recently sold an Airbus A340 to a private Arab client for $180m"

http://www.ameinfo.com/109115.html

I also came across an article that claimed that the VIP aircraft (2 A32S) for the Czech Republik were purchased for about US$135 million.

Looks like there isn't a lot, but a huge amount of money to be made with the sales of VIP aircraft.
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:48 pm

G'day

Is the Sultanate of Brunei considered Middle East or Far East?

HRH the Sultan badly needs some new transport, the present metal is getting kind of dated.  stirthepot 

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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:51 pm

I read somewhere that there are actually three people very interested in an A380 VVVIP.

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 2):
So if one customer is in the Middle East, where would the other be? Could it be from Russia with the new Oligarchs!! Perhaps Roman Abromovich??

Abramovich? Maybe, he went from 737 to 767, maybe that one has become too small now. I read that he wants to have the world's longest yacht, currently build in secret at Hamburg. Maybe he feels that he needs to have the biggest private jet, too. He sure has the money for that.

Quoting Manni (Reply 3):
it (Airbus) recently sold an Airbus A340 to a private Arab client for $180m"

http://www.ameinfo.com/109115.html

I also came across an article that claimed that the VIP aircraft (2 A32S) for the Czech Republik were purchased for about US$135 million.

That looks like list prices. Maybe those ordering only small amounts really have no good negotiation power.
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:51 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 3):
Looks like there isn't a lot, but a huge amount of money to be made with the sales of VIP aircraft.

That´s correct - and that´s the reason why both Airbus and Boeing have heavily ventured into the Corporate Shuttle / Private Jet market. The number of frames sold is comparably (selling 20 A319s a year for private use is by any means a small airline´s fleet) small, but the average price tag per unit is far higher. As these frames - and that goes for basically all the large private jets - are build on an airliner production line there is little extra cost compared to an airliner. Means: low costs due to "being fitted into the line" but high margin due to high price.

Quoting Manni (Reply 3):
"it (Airbus) recently sold an Airbus A340 to a private Arab client for $180m"

There was recently an article that Virgin Atlantic sold one of their newly delivered A340-600 to a fond management company for 106 million USD (think it was USD; and I don´t know if including engines or not). It gives a good bench mark how high the margins in the VVIP market could be.
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:52 pm

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 4):
G'day

Is the Sultanate of Brunei considered Middle East or Far East?

Obviously Far East....one look at the map solves that question.... smile 
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:55 pm

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 4):

Is the Sultanate of Brunei considered Middle East or Far East?

Far East. And since HRH The Sultan does not fly what everybody else flies, it is highly likely that he is one of the two. Good for LH Technik, his 744 is a -430 as well.
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:04 am

I've never understood why any private party would want an A380 because of the practical limitations of where it can fly to. While it's certainly one hell of an aircraft in terms of size and what you could put in it, wouldn't it be severely limited on where it could go. What's the last count of the total number of airports around the world that could handle an aircraft of this size?
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:07 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 9):
I've never understood why any private party would want an A380 because of the practical limitations of where it can fly to. While it's certainly one hell of an aircraft in terms of size and what you could put in it, wouldn't it be severely limited on where it could go. What's the last count of the total number of airports around the world that could handle an aircraft of this size?

You're absolutely right on that...but remember, anyone who can afford a private 380 will probably have their own private gulfstream / 767 / 330 / 787 or whatever, to connect from the nearest 380 capable airport, to wherever they ultimately want to reach...  Big grin
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:10 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 9):
I've never understood why any private party would want an A380 because of the practical limitations of where it can fly to. While it's certainly one hell of an aircraft in terms of size and what you could put in it, wouldn't it be severely limited on where it could go. What's the last count of the total number of airports around the world that could handle an aircraft of this size?

Why the limitation? It can land anywhere B747 can land which is a lot of fields. You part at a FBO or a remote spot and deplane!! Of course a smaller jet can land at many more places but these guys are not going to tiny locales ....
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 1):
That guy is an "aviation analyst"?? These will likely be the most lucrative sales of all... a small order, little chance to get a large discount, little need to customize the cabin/plane as it will be delivered green to Jet Aviation, Lufthansa Technik etc. A pricey green airframe on a single order... should be a very nice profit.

True...but it's entirely possible that it could be delivered to a completion center in the states as well, due to our status as a third world country.
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:16 am

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 11):
Why the limitation? It can land anywhere B747 can land which is a lot of fields.

Is that true. I was under the impression that airports had to meet special requirements (i.e. taxiway width and building clearances) for the A380. Are you telling me that's incorrect and that an A380 can fit anywhere a 747 can?
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:17 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 9):
I've never understood why any private party would want an A380 because of the practical limitations of where it can fly to. While it's certainly one hell of an aircraft in terms of size and what you could put in it, wouldn't it be severely limited on where it could go. What's the last count of the total number of airports around the world that could handle an aircraft of this size?

I guess the limitations are not smaller than those with a 747. Many of the changes that airports are doing for the A380 have to do with getting people out of the upper deck directly and handling those large numbers of pax. One wouldn't have those problems with the VIP version. It can just sit somewhere and the pax are picked up by cars and leave through one lower deck door. Not really a problem. The final location is probably reached by car or helicopter anyway.
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:27 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 1):
That guy is an "aviation analyst"?? These will likely be the most lucrative sales of all... a small order, little chance to get a large discount, little need to customize the cabin/plane as it will be delivered green to Jet Aviation, Lufthansa Technik etc. A pricey green airframe on a single order... should be a very nice profit.

He makes it sound as if Airbus would be doing the whole customizing and cabin fit out - on which planet is he living? Both Airbus and Boeing don´t want to have this non-standart business as it is way too expensive for them.

I think what he is saying is that private customers will get the aircraft bare-bones, very green, and have it customized elsewhere. In that case, Airbus is basically selling the shell of the airplane so will not make a profit margin on the elaborate wiring, individual oxigen masks, lighting, seats, galleys and everythig else that airliners would want.
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:44 am

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 4):
Is the Sultanate of Brunei considered Middle East or Far East?

Are you serious? Big grin Check the map a bit...
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:55 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 12):
True...but it's entirely possible that it could be delivered to a completion center in the states as well, due to our status as a third world country.

Since when has Algeria a completion center  Wink ?? Seriously, per my understanding so far only LH Technik and Jet Aviation have developed something looking like an A380 VVIP cabin outfit. Anyway, if you read what you have quoted I clearly pointed out that there might be others => ETC.
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:05 am

http://www.gulf-news.com/business/Aviation/10100459.html

Quoting 'two middle east clients' for A380VVIP  bouncy 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:10 am

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 11):
Why the limitation? It can land anywhere B747 can land which is a lot of fields.

I remember many moons ago when the Saudi Royal family landed at LGW on a state visit they came in 3 x B747 and 2 x 707 with the luggage, 2 x A380 could take the lot, direct to LHR, including all the cars  Smile
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:13 am

Sounds like great fun to have an enormous plane like that all to yourself, but jeez the cost to the environment to haul around one guy's ego. Rather disheartening I think
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:15 am

you could just pack in a nice helicopter into the back of the a380 aswell, for final positioning  Smile
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:16 am

I should think one could find something better to do with the enourmous amount of money that will be sunk into this...like help starving kids somewhere or something.
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:28 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 17):
Since when has Algeria a completion center ?? Seriously, per my understanding so far only LH Technik and Jet Aviation have developed something looking like an A380 VVIP cabin outfit. Anyway, if you read what you have quoted I clearly pointed out that there might be others => ETC.

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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 4):
G'day

Is the Sultanate of Brunei considered Middle East or Far East?

HRH the Sultan badly needs some new transport, the present metal is getting kind of dated.

Located on Borneo, between the Malaysian states of Sabah and Sarawak.

He's my bet, too. The royal household has a substantial fleet, including almost every widebody type in commercial service today. He got his 744 fairly early in the program's life. A 380 purchase about now would be holding true-to-form.

When the entire household travels to London, it takes a substantial portion of the fleet to get them there. Word in Bandar Seri Begawan is that it takes several extras to bring them and their purchases back!
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:45 am

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Airbus, maker of the delayed A380 superjumbo

I don´t get it why must an article that has positive news start with a negative comment.

[Edited 2007-01-30 20:16:23]
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting Manni (Reply 3):
I also came across an article that claimed that the VIP aircraft (2 A32S) for the Czech Republik were purchased for about US$135 million.

Looks like there isn't a lot, but a huge amount of money to be made with the sales of VIP aircraft.

Yeah, seems like a high price. But it is hard for us to judge since we don't know the details in the contract.

For an operator like the Czech Air Force a lot of extras might be included: A spare engine, a lot of flight- and ground crew training, building up basic maintenance facilities, and maybe a lot more.

Quoting Pope (Reply 9):
I've never understood why any private party would want an A380 because of the practical limitations of where it can fly to. While it's certainly one hell of an aircraft in terms of size and what you could put in it, wouldn't it be severely limited on where it could go. What's the last count of the total number of airports around the world that could handle an aircraft of this size?

A VIP plane doesn't park at a gate, but in the biz plane compound.

There are hundreds of airports today, ready to accept a VIP 380. On some of them it might have to taxi back on the runway since the taxiways are not wide enough. But hell, no city will get a VIP 380 visit every day. Such a visit will be a "special event".

Some years back, when Bill Clinton visited CPH and arrived with 2 x C-25A and 3 x C-5B, then the airport was closed down for almost two hours.

Quoting Pope (Reply 13):
Are you telling me that's incorrect and that an A380 can fit anywhere a 747 can?

The most severe airport limiting factor is probably the the wheel load. The 380 has at MTOW a lower per wheel footprint than a 744 since it has more wheels. Also a VIP 380 will very seldom be fueled to max MTOW for a 15 hours flight, so it may find airports which would never accept a fully loaded 744 or pax 380.

If weight struggled, then a VIP 380 can always take off at a small airport at, say, 60-70% MTOW from a small airport with a 6-7,000 feet runway, fly a few thousand miles to a major airport and refuel for the rest of the journey. And of course a VIP 744 can do the same.
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:18 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 5):
I read that he wants to have the world's longest yacht, currently build in secret at Hamburg. Maybe he feels that he needs to have the biggest private jet, too. He sure has the money for that.

Just yesterday I was reading a thread in non-av about why many people (mainly men here in America) need such over sized SUVs and trucks when they would never have a need for something that large. It came down to the fact that many if not all of these guys feel more masculine and tough in larger vehicles. A few people posted that they make up in the size of their car (or plane in this case) what they lack in their shorts. I'm sure this Roman Abramovich guy is no different...

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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:32 am

Quoting ChrisH (Reply 21):
you could just pack in a nice helicopter into the back of the a380 aswell, for final positioning

Sorry Chris, but for that purpose the A380 is one of the worst planes you can buy.

The 380 fuselage is a triple bubble design. It means that it is totally dependent upon the two floors for structural integrity when pressurized. Even a tiny Bell 206 chopper would never fit inside a 380.

For that purpose the perfect plane will always be the 744F with front door.

But if you have the money to spend on a VIP 380, then you can also easily spend the change on a second hand 744F.

Bill Clinton needed three Chinook choppers for his CPH visit. To transport him and his folks from CPH to the lawn in front of the Royal summer cottage. They arrived on the C-5B Galaxies - an even better plane for that than the 744F, but hardly up for sale these days.

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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:52 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 9):
I've never understood why any private party would want an A380 because of the practical limitations of where it can fly to.

I don't think there are that many limitations, at least in VVIP configuration. I think the wheel loading and runway requirements are less than for a B747, so there should be more airports accessible to an A380 than a B747.

Another thing entirely is that a VIP A380 "flying palace" cannot be considered very prudent use of public funds. Lavish expenditure (or perception of it) in Versailles was one of the causes precipitating the French Revolution. If there is, say, an Islamic Revolution in Saudi Arabia the consequences can be so interesting that it may still be studied centuries later.
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:22 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 1):
That guy is an "aviation analyst"??



Quoting Manni (Reply 3):
What some of those 'analysts' write makes me wonder how much research they put in their work.

If you google around abit, you'll find that Doug McVitie is a former Airbus sales director  Wink
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 9):
I've never understood why any private party would want an A380 because of the practical limitations of where it can fly to.



Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 20):
Sounds like great fun to have an enormous plane like that all to yourself, but jeez the cost to the environment to haul around one guy's ego.

IMO major cities with modern facilities are the most probable destinations for such an ostentatious aircraft - save for those occasions when the owner wishes to go to a hideaway, in which case he'd opt to take something much less conspicuous. I suspect "bragging rights" as the main goal of owning a custom A380, which would likely spend most of its days in a big private hangar.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 22):
I should think one could find something better to do with the enourmous amount of money that will be sunk into this...like help starving kids somewhere or something.

Definitely. But that would make for one less interesting topic of discussion on here.

Quoting Joni (Reply 29):

Another thing entirely is that a VIP A380 "flying palace" cannot be considered very prudent use of public funds. Lavish expenditure (or perception of it) in Versailles was one of the causes precipitating the French Revolution.

Doubtful that prudence is a big factor for such an acquisition. In any case pomp and ostentation seem to be the norm in oil rich places, and the powers that be must be believing their "pampered" loyal subjects wouldn't mind.
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:00 am

The order must come from one of the countries oppressed by the West. Hey, that's what happens when your oil is being stolen... you can barely afford to buy private "compact" airplanes. I could take such form of oppression anytime.
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 18):
http://www.gulf-news.com/business/Aviation/10100459.html

Quoting 'two middle east clients' for A380VVIP

Oh boy... now I know why they turn the spigot off from time to time... so that their spoiled, drug-using kids can get another Maserati or three.

The royal parents are no different in the oil-sheikdoms either... spending obscene amounts of their country's money on intra-family rivalries... two competing towers in Riyadh come to mind.

I think big egos deserve big airplanes... congratulations oil sheiks everywhere... please, give us more reasons to adopt alternate fuel sources so that we can have you go from eating caviar in your palaces to eating canned tuna in a hovel!
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 19):
I remember many moons ago when the Saudi Royal family landed at LGW on a state visit they came in 3 x B747 and 2 x 707 with the luggage, 2 x A380 could take the lot, direct to LHR, including all the cars Smile

Not LHR apart from official visits. The British Airports Authority has banned private flights from LHR. It is just way too busy an airport... and we wouldn't want kids running around, would we?  Smile

Quoting Pope (Reply 9):
I've never understood why any private party would want an A380 because of the practical limitations of where it can fly to.

Anybody purchasing an A380 wouldn't be a first-time private aircraft buyer. They would probably be "upgrading" to a "slightly larger" aircraft, the "smaller" one being something like a 767, A340, 744, or a 747SP (a little baby). They would probably fly to places they've flown to before, which include all main European hubs (Paris & London especially - shopping), NYC, Orlando (Disney for the kids), Nice, Marbella (where the several yachts are moored), a few places in the Middle East (home), Marakkesh, and a few other main airports. Flying to secondary airports just ain't much fun...

I am so looking forward for an A380 to land in SXM...  Wink
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:41 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 31):
Doubtful that prudence is a big factor for such an acquisition. In any case pomp and ostentation seem to be the norm in oil rich places, and the powers that be must be believing their "pampered" loyal subjects wouldn't mind.

In any case, 300 million is probably what they earn extra in one month when the oil barrel goes up a few cents...
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:01 am

From a reliable source, the two private buyers of the 380 are:


It'll be called of course either the Bodda Bing or the Stugatz of the skies!

Buyer 2 is said to be:

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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:03 am

Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 34):
I am so looking forward for an A380 to land in SXM... Wink

Hehehe... that would be fun, to see how low it would need to go to get enough runway. Maybe they could dub it the true "Clipper of The Fence"!  biggrin  Or it might *not* be so much fun, if unfortunate beachgoers ended up becoming "fan food"  crying 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:30 am

my guess is its the Qatar Emiri flight, I got an uncle whos a chief engineer in there. I guess the emir needs it for his 50 something kids.

my 2 cents newagebird
 
Baron52ta
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:24 pm

One thing, an A380 would make the ultimate in airbourne conference centre, which is why you might want one since it is impossible to gate crash and very difficult to listen in to the discussions at 38k feet

Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 34):
The British Airports Authority has banned private flights from LHR

Just one thing re LHR BAA doesn't own it any more it belongs to some Spanish outfit
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:59 pm

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 28):

For that purpose the perfect plane will always be the 744F with front door.

I'm curious to hear which helicopter would fit through the nose door of a 747. (hint: it's 2.49 meters from floor to ceiling)
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:05 pm

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 4):
Is the Sultanate of Brunei considered Middle East or Far East?

Sure he is Far Eastern, he is somewhere beside Singapore, Malaysia & Indonesia

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 4):
HRH the Sultan badly needs some new transport, the present metal is getting kind of dated.

First of all, they call him His Majesty not H.R.H, second thing if he knew that we are talking about him in this forum he will send each one of us $5000!!
The sultan love to be discussed and mentioned everywhere, thats why he will definitely buy the flying palace.

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 10):
You're absolutely right on that...but remember, anyone who can afford a private 380 will probably have their own private gulfstream / 767 / 330 / 787 or whatever, to connect from the nearest 380 capable airport, to wherever they ultimately want to reach

I agree in that if someone who will buy A380 have another aircrafts, but when those VIPs want to travel they dont want fuel-stop, technical stop, or transit (changing aircraft to a smaller airport) they fly from where they are to the point they want, and thats why Sultan of Brunei told airbus to build the A340-8000

Quoting Newagebird (Reply 38):
my guess is its the Qatar Emiri flight, I got an uncle whos a chief engineer in there. I guess the emir needs it for his 50 something kids.

he have 6 kids, i dont know where did you get this figure which looks so insulting to a very well respected man
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:10 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 41):
First of all, they call him His Majesty not H.R.H, second thing if he knew that we are talking about him in this forum he will send each one of us $5000!!
The sultan love to be discussed and mentioned everywhere, thats why he will definitely buy the flying palace.

So I do need to post, but perhaps I should not continue my theory from the A340 VIP thread that being secret, these must be low quality customers! Ah well, the best of theories must bite the dust every now and again.  indifferent 
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:10 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 42):

So I do need to post, but perhaps I should not continue my theory from the A340 VIP thread that being secret, these must be low quality customers!

That would certainly jeopardize your five grand. dollarsign  Speaking of which, maybe I too am entitled, for urging everyone in the UFO 748I thread to look farther east for the one strongly interested in a VVIP A380. Just one question, does the sum come with a cease and desist admonition?  tapedshut   Wink
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:17 pm

Im one of the customers! and im going to make a party for a.netters! on the flying palace Big grin

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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:19 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 43):
Just one question, does the sum come with a cease and desist admonition?

As opposed to seize and insist?? Probably!  birthday 
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:22 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 31):
Doubtful that prudence is a big factor for such an acquisition. In any case pomp and ostentation seem to be the norm in oil rich places, and the powers that be must be believing their "pampered" loyal subjects wouldn't mind.

I agree that since they appear to be considering the purchase, prudence doesn't seem to be a big factor. That may turn out to be a mistake, however, since at least in Saudi Arabia the "pampered" subjects in fact do mind that the royals are hoarding the oil money.

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 27):
Just yesterday I was reading a thread in non-av about why many people (mainly men here in America) need such over sized SUVs and trucks when they would never have a need for something that large. It came down to the fact that many if not all of these guys feel more masculine and tough in larger vehicles.

I think this is a global phenomenon. Over here in Finland some wives oppose their husbands' plans to buy expensive cars because they're worried that the other wives suspect the men are compensating for lack of size elsewhere.
 
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:46 pm

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 27):
Just yesterday I was reading a thread in non-av about why many people (mainly men here in America) need such over sized SUVs and trucks when they would never have a need for something that large. It came down to the fact that many if not all of these guys feel more masculine and tough in larger vehicles. A few people posted that they make up in the size of their car (or plane in this case) what they lack in their shorts. I'm sure this Roman Abramovich guy is no different...

Yes, a lot of people use their cars as a compensation for something.

I have seen it often over here, a Mercedes M or a BMW X5 or some car like that - and who is getting out of it? A dude of about 170cm, small shoulders, belly, and glasses. I haven't looked into their pants, but I guess that is as unimpressive as the rest of them.

What I also see: I'm driving around 55 in a 50 zone and some victim passes me in the style of "my parents didn't love me, my boss is bullying me, my wife is ugly, my car is uncomfortable, but I'm passing you so that makes me feel better". I even hear them stepping on the accelerator while there is a light going red 50 meters away.

All victims, I tell you.

However, I don't know whether there has been a study of penis length and the size of a private jet.
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:09 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 5):
I read that he wants to have the world's longest yacht, currently build in secret at Hamburg. Maybe he feels that he needs to have the biggest private jet, too.

Suddenly Freud comes to mind...
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RE: Two Customers May Buy Private A380 Superjumbos

Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:24 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 47):
I have seen it often over here, a Mercedes M or a BMW X5 or some car like that - and who is getting out of it? A dude of about 170cm, small shoulders, belly, and glasses. I haven't looked into their pants, but I guess that is as unimpressive as the rest of them.

ask women and they will tell you that size doesn't matter, skill is everything. You know what really counts? The checque book and the Bank account behind it.

Which leads us to VVIP jets again. Look at the Abramovitch guy, not really impressive, but look at the permanent smile on his face. He owns a private jet and he can do whatever he wants as long as he does not annoy the owner of his home country.

BTW - that theory may be true or not, for better judgement we should find out who bought that A346 VVIP jet recently.
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