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Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:04 am

I may be answering my own question, because I know these flights are operated by B767 aircraft. But they are also operated by A32X aircraft too.

So am I right in thinking that the flights operated by the B767 have films on board and the ones with the A32X do not? Is that not a little unfair for the pax who end up with the A32X?

Are the films just shown because these are the slightly longer european flights? Are they shown in the overhead screens?
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:09 am

I know when I went to Larnaca it was on a 767 that showed a film each way but there was 1 flight a week that was 320 operated which wouldn't show a film. I guess the 767 has the screens to show a film and with the flights been longer the airline maybe feels its nicer for the customers?
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
Are the films just shown because these are the slightly longer european flights? Are they shown in the overhead screens?

Yes, Basically.
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:17 am

Heh, try flying United on IAD-SFO on an A319 in domestic first and then coming back on an internationally equipped 767-300ER in business.

Who cares about fair, really? DL doesn't have IFE on the MD-88, so you could end up flying out on one then back on a 737-800 with IFE.

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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:20 am

I fly to ATH with BA quite often and hey show films on their 767s, but with the 320, it's a gamble. I've been in A320 flights with a film shown, flights with no film, just map and flights with nothing at all.
Then again, the 767's screens are not in the best condition and not in the best position if you have a window seat.
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting BMED (Reply 1):
I know when I went to Larnaca it was on a 767 that showed a film each way but there was 1 flight a week that was 320 operated which wouldn't show a film. I guess the 767 has the screens to show a film and with the flights been longer the airline maybe feels its nicer for the customers?

Larnaca is not a European destination though. The A32Xs do have screens, but they just don't show movies/programmes on them. Just the safety video which is ashame really.

Is the Larnaca flight EuroTraveller and Club World or WT, WTP and Club? It should really be the latter since Larnaca is on the Turkish side of Cyprus, and therefore part of Asia, not Europe.
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
Is the Larnaca flight EuroTraveller and Club World

Sorry, I meant Club Europe...
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
Larnaca is not a European destination though. The A32Xs do have screens, but they just don't show movies/programmes on them. Just the safety video which is ashame really.

Is the Larnaca flight EuroTraveller and Club World or WT, WTP and Club? It should really be the latter since Larnaca is on the Turkish side of Cyprus, and therefore part of Asia, not Europe.

Its luck of the draw really if you do get a 32X aircraft which TV screens work. A lot of them do and therefore, we do play movies on ones which do work.
Larnaca is considered a European Destination as Shorthaul Crew operate this flight with Shorthaul Configured 767s and therefore, there is no Club World or WT or WTP, but Standard Club Europe and Euro Traveller
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:29 am

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 7):
Its luck of the draw really if you do get a 32X aircraft which TV screens work. A lot of them do and therefore, we do play movies on ones which do work.

May be a stupid question, but why wouldn't they work? BAs A32Xs aren't THAT old are they??

And if so many of them do not work, should they not think about fixing them!?!

Is it just the A32X flights to ATH, IST & DME which might get a movie or is it other A32X destinations as well?
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:34 am

The last time I flew with BA (bout 3yrs ago at this stage!) The 319s all had little flip down LCS monitors, where as the 320s did not. I imagine that they have been fitted to at least some of the 320s now, so I assume thats what was mentioned in an earlier post.

On my flights (LHR-LIN(319) and MXP-LHR(320)) I only recall a map being displayed. Which is a nice distraction if you get bored of the book or high-life!
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 8):
May be a stupid question, but why wouldn't they work? BAs A32Xs aren't THAT old are they??

And if so many of them do not work, should they not think about fixing them!?!

Is it just the A32X flights to ATH, IST & DME which might get a movie or is it other A32X destinations as well?

No the A32Xs are not that old, just sometimes the Video Player goes Tech a lot more than anything else.. or the CSD forgets to get the tapes!!
Only Band 4 flights have movies on them.
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 10):
CSD

Could you explain what this is please?

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 10):
Only Band 4 flights have movies on them.

Which flights are in this category generally?
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:39 am

Thats is a longggggg way without any entertainment, even QR shows Tom & Gerry or (usually) Mr Bean on their A319/320/321's from DOH to BAH  Smile
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:43 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 11):
Could you explain what this is please?

Cabin Service Director... The person in charge of the flight. On a 32X its a Purser. Sometimes they forget to collect the taped before they board the flight.

I knew you would ask me the Band 4 question!! Thing is im half asleep so ill try and remember and say ATH/LCA/DME and errrr think of the rest when I wake up and get back to you! Big grin
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:46 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 11):
Could you explain what this is please?

AKAIK: CSD=Customer Service Director, i.e. chief crew member.
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:47 am

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 13):
Cabin Service Director... The person in charge of the flight. On a 32X its a Purser. Sometimes they forget to collect the taped before they board the flight.

Not very professionnal Sad

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 13):
I knew you would ask me the Band 4 question!! Thing is im half asleep so ill try and remember and say ATH/LCA/DME and errrr think of the rest when I wake up and get back to you!

Even SOF, LED, BUH, KBP and TIP could apply for band 4, don't you think so?
And BA has LCDs, they could provide IFE in each flight lasting more than one hour : Candid Camera are a lot of fun.
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:52 am

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 15):
Not very professionnal

Crew are Human too and they make just as many mistakes. Especially when you have a short time to do a briefing and rush to the bus to the aircraft collecting your bags on the way.. These things can be forgotten.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 15):
Even SOF, LED, BUH, KBP and TIP could apply for band 4, don't you think so?

Im sure these are classed as Band 3s.. Ill have to look it up..
By the way.. Where is BUH?? BA dont fly there!
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Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 13):

Beat me to it Big grin

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 16):
By the way.. Where is BUH?? BA dont fly there

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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 13):
Cabin Service Director... The person in charge of the flight. On a 32X its a Purser. Sometimes they forget to collect the taped before they board the flight.



Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 15):
Not very professionnal

I would completly agree. Yes I know the crew are humans as well, but people are paying a lot of money for these flights. If it happened once in a blue moon because of a serious reason then perhaps they could be forgiven, but you talk about it as if it happens all the time and it doesn't really matter:

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 10):
or the CSD forgets to get the tapes!!

I think all BAs flights should have IFE on their short-haul flights. I assume all A32X aircraft have the drop down screens now?

They don't have to show a full length movie. Perhaps the BBC News, and a couple of episodes of a soap or comedy/drama. E.g. Friends. And perhaps MTV or something?
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:03 am

Air Malta, you are correct; IST, TIP, OTP, SOF, KBP, LED, DME, ATH and LCA are classed as 'Band 4'; this means a slightly higher level of service is offered; hot meals in Traveller as well as Club and some form of IFE.

Unfortunately, there is some inconsistency in the provision of IFE on those routes, as some of you have pointed out.

As discussed, all 767s have the capability to offer IFE; only some of BA's A320s have the same capability (although all offer the 'moving map' option). Our 319s and 321s apparently only offer the 'moving map' facility - nothing else.

This explains why movies are shown on some 320 services to ATH, IST and LCA, but not all.

With regards to our other longer-range shorthaul destinations (TIP, OTP etc.), IFE is never offered (regardless of whether the service is operated by the 320 or 767) because BA do not deem it 'cost-effective'. As far as the airline is concerned, there is little or no comptetition on the above routes and therefore it is not necessary to offer IFE (which costs money).

I personally believe this to be wrong-headed, especially as the company is keen to offer a 'consistent' product, regardless of the competition on a particular route.
 
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Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 18):
think all BAs flights should have IFE on their short-haul flights. I assume all A32X aircraft have the drop down screens now?

They don't have to show a full length movie. Perhaps the BBC News, and a couple of episodes of a soap or comedy/drama. E.g. Friends. And perhaps MTV or something?

I agree in some ways, although why shoudl BA offer this. The majority of flights without IFE are within 2 hous and most PAX will read or chat amongst themselves, the only way it would work is with headsets and why offer it when none of the competiton is?
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:14 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
Larnaca is not a European destination though

Cyprus has always been considered as a European country, like Malta and the Canary islands. It s not a grey case like Israel. And of course, Cyprus is a member of the E.U since 2004!

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
It should really be the latter since Larnaca is on the Turkish side of Cyprus, and therefore part of Asia

R u serious? Larnaca is on the Greek side!!! There are no direct flights to the Turkish side from any Country other than Turkey. The turkish side hasnt been recognized internationally and thus any direct int/nal flights to the Turkish part would be considered illegal.

8herveg...I m impressed with your lack of knowledge in Geography, not to mention history or politics.
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:14 am

Quoting Lan1981 (Reply 19):
Air Malta, you are correct; IST, TIP, OTP, SOF, KBP, LED, DME, ATH and LCA are classed as 'Band 4'; this means a slightly higher level of service is offered; hot meals in Traveller as well as Club and some form of IFE.

Unfortunately, there is some inconsistency in the provision of IFE on those routes, as some of you have pointed out.

As discussed, all 767s have the capability to offer IFE; only some of BA's A320s have the same capability (although all offer the 'moving map' option). Our 319s and 321s apparently only offer the 'moving map' facility - nothing else.

This explains why movies are shown on some 320 services to ATH, IST and LCA, but not all.

With regards to our other longer-range shorthaul destinations (TIP, OTP etc.), IFE is never offered (regardless of whether the service is operated by the 320 or 767) because BA do not deem it 'cost-effective'. As far as the airline is concerned, there is little or no comptetition on the above routes and therefore it is not necessary to offer IFE (which costs money).

I personally believe this to be wrong-headed, especially as the company is keen to offer a 'consistent' product, regardless of the competition on a particular route.

Thankyou. Nice thorough answer.

So am I right in thinking, that if I want to travel to Athens on BA, with on of their B767s, I am guaranteed some sort of IFE?

Or is it only if the CSD remembers to pick the tape up?? Or if it hasn't gone tech?!!?
 
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Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 22):
Or is it only if the CSD remembers to pick the tape up?? Or if it hasn't gone tech?!!?

Smartass  Silly

Yes expect to see IFE, and shout at the CSD if not Big grin (no dont, it might be an A.netter)
 
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Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:23 am

That is correct; it is up to the in-charge crewmember (CSD on the 767, Purser on the Airbus) to collect the IFE before leaving for the aircraft; forgetting to do this is poor organization but it is not a frequent occurence; what is more likely is equipment failure on the aircraft, or failure to deliver headsets to the aircraft.
 
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Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting CY319 (Reply 21):
Cyprus has always been considered as a European country

Exactly. If Canada occupied Cyprus, it wouldn't suddenly be part of North America!

In any case, Turkey straddles the divide between Europe and Asia - it's in both.  Smile
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:46 am

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 10):
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 8):
May be a stupid question, but why wouldn't they work? BAs A32Xs aren't THAT old are they??

And if so many of them do not work, should they not think about fixing them!?!

Is it just the A32X flights to ATH, IST & DME which might get a movie or is it other A32X destinations as well?

No the A32Xs are not that old, just sometimes the Video Player goes Tech a lot more than anything else.. or the CSD forgets to get the tapes!!
Only Band 4 flights have movies on them

The first batch of BA A320s are some of the oldest out.....the G-BUSx series ordered by BCal are fairly old & G-BUSD has already been scrapped. The new A320s are registered in the EUUx series & EUUA-H are all equipped with full IFE to the same standard as the 767s plus they also have PC power outlets.

As the the CSD/Purser "forgetting to pick up the tapes".........I find this odd, as a Purser on the 320 I simply "get" the tapes (which are put on the aircraft at the start of each month & checked daily by our IFE contractor) from the stowage next to the video player. If there wasn't any IFE on the flight it is far more likely that a standard aircraft was used, with only the moving map & video PA facility.
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Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:47 am

Quoting Lan1981 (Reply 24):
That is correct; it is up to the in-charge crewmember (CSD on the 767, Purser on the Airbus) to collect the IFE before leaving for the aircraft; forgetting to do this is poor organization but it is not a frequent occurence; what is more likely is equipment failure on the aircraft, or failure to deliver headsets to the aircraft.

See my post above!  Smile
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:48 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
Larnaca is not a European destination though



Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
Larnaca is on the Turkish side of Cyprus, and therefore part of Asia, not Europe.



Quoting CY319 (Reply 21):
R u serious? Larnaca is on the Greek side!!!

CY319 is correct 8herveg! Cyprus is very much a member of the EU - and a rich one at that: contributing a great deal to help fund French & Polish farm subsidies  Wink

LCA is a former RAF airfield on the south side of the island, which was activated shortly after the Turkish invasion in 1974. Nicosia Airport was the former commercial airport for the island prior to that, but Nicosia Airport now lies within the Green Line buffer zone, patrolled by the UN, and was rendered unusable during the invasion (along with a couple of CY Tridents  Sad )

This is doubly upsetting because a new Terminal had been completed not long before...

The airport in the Turkish occupied zone is ECN (Ercan) which only sees direct flights to Turkey due to international political condemnation of the partition of the island.

In Turkey, IST is geographically in Europe, whereas Sabiha Gokcen Airport is on the other side of the Bosphorus and is therefore geographically in Asia...
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:19 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
Larnaca is not a European destination though. The A32Xs do have screens, but they just don't show movies/programmes on them. Just the safety video which is ashame really.

Is the Larnaca flight EuroTraveller and Club World or WT, WTP and Club? It should really be the latter since Larnaca is on the Turkish side of Cyprus, and therefore part of Asia, not Europe.

I love this! Yet another well informed post on this site....???
 
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Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:51 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
Larnaca is not a European destination though.

LCA is a European destination! It is on the Greek side of Cyprus. To be honest though Turkey is now classed as a European country as well. Well at least when it comes to BA flights as they only opreate Club Europe flights.

In fact I thought Turkey were classed as part of Europe. At least when it comes to Eurovision!l lol  Smile
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:54 am

Quoting Cyba (Reply 29):
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
Larnaca is not a European destination though. The A32Xs do have screens, but they just don't show movies/programmes on them. Just the safety video which is ashame really.

Is the Larnaca flight EuroTraveller and Club World or WT, WTP and Club? It should really be the latter since Larnaca is on the Turkish side of Cyprus, and therefore part of Asia, not Europe.

I love this! Yet another well informed post on this site....???

Whats that supposed to mean?
 
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Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:53 pm

The nine old A320s have no IFE
All the later A319/320/321 have flip down screens to show Safety demo and moving map.
There are ten A320 UUA-UUJ which also have the IFE panels in the seats so that you can plug in a headset. These are the only 10 small BA Airbus that films can be shown on.
I have no idea why only 10 aircraft have IFE. I assume there was a change of policy at some point in the delivery process.
All B767 have aisle overhead screens and IFE.
There are 3 B757 which also have aisle overhead screens and IFE, but this is not used any more as it was so unreliable. These three B757 were not bought new by BA.
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:05 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
Larnaca is not a European destination though. The A32Xs do have screens, but they just don't show movies/programmes on them. Just the safety video which is ashame really.

Is the Larnaca flight EuroTraveller and Club World or WT, WTP and Club? It should really be the latter since Larnaca is on the Turkish side of Cyprus, and therefore part of Asia, not Europe.

Larnaca actually IS a european destination. And of course not on the turkish occupated part of Cyprus. Geography wasn't your best lesson 8herveg , was it?
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Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:50 pm

Quoting Anax (Reply 33):
Larnaca actually IS a european destination. And of course not on the turkish occupated part of Cyprus. Geography wasn't your best lesson 8herveg , was it?

Alight, no need to be sarcy. I knew Cyprus was split into the Greek and Turkish side...just thought Larnaca was on the Turkish side thats all.

And actually...Geography WAS one of my best lessons, but knowing which side of the border Larnaca was suprisingly didn't come up!! Half of people who are doing degrees at Geography won't even know which side of America New York is on!! Geography these days has nothing to do with geographical locations, more like rock formations, river flows, urbanisation, etc etc!

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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:12 pm

I travel to Athens frequently, and it is exactly this kind of inconsistency on BA that drove me to the arms of the competition.

The 767's have shabby interiors, and it was always very hit and miss regarding IFE or not.

My biggest gripe has always been the inconsistency of the service. BA crews are either brilliant or terrible, and nothing in between. Crew should bear in mind that on a flight of over 3 hours, there is enough time to offer a bar service followed by a meal.

My last flight on BA, we were served the meal about 20 minutes out of Athens, and the drinks trolley followed behind. And this was in Club! It is inexcusable to offer this kind of hurried service on a relatively long European flight. This made the flight seem very long and boring.

I now take OA when flying to ATH direct- excellent service in Business class on an A340. BA cannot compete with this, despite the regular bashing that OA gets on this site.

Here is a trip report that I made last year about my flights on OA.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/76863

Alternatively, I take Swiss out of LCY with a convenient connection in ZRH.

Perhaps the most annoying aspect of flying BA from Athens is the awful water feature in the lounge- it always makes me want to pee!  Smile
 
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Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:24 pm

Quoting Cambrian (Reply 35):
now take OA when flying to ATH direct- excellent service in Business class on an A340. BA cannot compete with this, despite the regular bashing that OA gets on this site.

Here is a trip report that I made last year about my flights on OA.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/76863

Alternatively, I take Swiss out of LCY with a convenient connection in ZRH.

Couldn't agree more; the company's management is of the opinion that our reputation alone is sufficient to keep attracting customers...perhaps they don't fly Swiss or Austrian to see how they shape up.

Even Turkish Airlines offer a superior product (and aircraft) on flights to IST.
 
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Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:25 pm

Quoting Cambrian (Reply 35):
I now take OA when flying to ATH direct- excellent service in Business class on an A340. BA cannot compete with this, despite the regular bashing that OA gets on this site.

Thanks Cambrian you are well informed and a great trip report!! People bash OA because they have nothing else to do with their lives!!! I fly OA more than most and always have a good experience. An A340 to ATH is brilliant and longhaul J seats for 3hours 30 mins is cool. Service always good on that flight. I know its not Swiss but it is still very good.

As for Larnaca being in the Turkish side!!! I must admit it did give me a laugh that someone on here could make such a mistake. People should look at maps to check before they post . Larnaca is a huge tourist destination after all.
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:05 pm

Quoting Lan1981 (Reply 36):
Couldn't agree more; the company's management is of the opinion that our reputation alone is sufficient to keep attracting customers...perhaps they don't fly Swiss or Austrian to see how they shape up.

It sounds like you work for BA? I do think that BA, and some of their crew especially, feel that reputation alone is enough to keep passengers loyal. Longhaul First and Club on BA are still good (but again inconsistent), but their shorthaul product has fallen behind, and the cabins look drab and tired. I really like the new business cabin on the LX A320's, and this is now being rolled out to the entire short haul fleet.

It is not too much to expect small touches like pre-flight drinks in Club on European routes. Even on short flights such as LHR-ZRH, the difference between BA and LX is stark.

IIRC, BA have been piloting a new CE layout (and giving themselves a pat on the back for doing so) with the middle seat free, but this is the norm on Swiss.

Add the recent operational problems that BA have experienced, and this must represent a serious problem for the airline.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 37):
Thanks Cambrian you are well informed and a great trip report!! People bash OA because they have nothing else to do with their lives!!! I fly OA more than most and always have a good experience. An A340 to ATH is brilliant and longhaul J seats for 3hours 30 mins is cool. Service always good on that flight.;

Yes, it's great to fly an A340 in Europe, and I miss their A300 on the London-Athens run.

OA service does reflect their home country, and at least the crew are not like robots.
BTW, I really enjoyed your trip report on your LX trip to Thessaloniki!
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:01 pm

Cambrian that was an excellent report. Objective and up to the point.
It is true , that despite all the problems , OA is still offering a very good product , in terms of value for money, much higher than many European big players such LH , LX etc.
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:59 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 34):
Half of people who are doing degrees at Geography won't even know which side of America New York is on!! Geography these days has nothing to do with geographical locations, more like rock formations, river flows, urbanisation, etc etc!

Well I did Geography at both A-level and University and I think that you would have been flamed by lecturers with a comment like that.
My first exam in Uni was to name a certain 50 capital cities of the World
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:03 am

Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 40):
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 34):
Half of people who are doing degrees at Geography won't even know which side of America New York is on!! Geography these days has nothing to do with geographical locations, more like rock formations, river flows, urbanisation, etc etc!

I'm at uni doing geography teaching and I think thats a bit of a wild statement to come out with!
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:55 am

Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 40):
Well I did Geography at both A-level and University and I think that you would have been flamed by lecturers with a comment like that.
My first exam in Uni was to name a certain 50 capital cities of the World
LOL

Can I ask how old you are? Because things have changed since the days where you only had to answer 'What is the capital of America?'

Alot of my friends are doing Geography at Uni, and still think the capital of Canada is Toronto!!
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:10 pm

Oh my god!! ANOTHER post from 8herveg. Man, you post on here EVERY single day. You must love having your name all over here. Your posts are always "why this" or "why that". It's getting a bit annoying already.
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:37 pm

Quoting Phxtravelboy (Reply 43):
Oh my god!! ANOTHER post from 8herveg. Man, you post on here EVERY single day. You must love having your name all over here. Your posts are always "why this" or "why that". It's getting a bit annoying already.

Just interested in learning about aviation thats all. And perhaps one of the reasons also, is because it wasn't till the 22nd reply that I got a decent answer! If people answered the question properly in the first place, then I wouldn't have to keep coming back on here to ask the same thing over and over again!

If you don't want to see my comments, then don't click on this post!

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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:50 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 42):
Can I ask how old you are?

I am 25years young so it wasnt that long ago

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 44):
And perhaps one of the reasons also, is because it wasn't till the 22nd reply that I got a decent answer

Is reply 22 not your reply???
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:53 am

Many people seem to agree that showing or not of a movie on BA aircraft to some destinations depends on the specific aircraft operating the flight on that day.

The case for LCA is somewhat easier as it is mostly served by B767.

I just wonder what aircraft will BA sending to Cyprus or other destinations served by the B767 once these aircaft are retired.

Some may suggest A320s but given the high volume traffic between the two countries and the unavailability of slots at LHR I would doubt it.

On the other hand, a 777 would seem to big to serve LCA.

Any ideas?

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 34):
I knew Cyprus was split into the Greek and Turkish side...just thought Larnaca was on the Turkish side thats all.

Just for historic purposes, there is NO Greek and Turkish side. There is the Republic of Cyprus which is a recognised country and part of the EU and the part of the island that is occupied by Turkey.
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:06 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 34):
Geography these days has nothing to do with geographical locations, more like rock formations, river flows, urbanisation, etc etc!

Sounds like the geography I did at school many, many years. In studying a country or region you'd get to know the capitals but it was hardly the main point.  Smile
 
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RE: Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?

Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:07 am

IFE is offered on those short-haul flights where the market demands them and competing airlines offer them.

For example SU has IFE on flights to DME, CY on flights to LCA, OA on most flights to ATH and TK on their flights to IST. However on flights to TIP, SOF, BEG, KGP etc BA is the only airline offering direct flights on the route, or, the competition doesn't offer IFE.

IFE carries a significant cost. Airlines have to pay a firm for the right to use the tapes, someone from an outside organisation provides the tapes and loads them on the aircraft. It also cost extra for the cleaners to load the headphones into the seat pockets etc etc.

Simple fact is, BA doesn't have any direct competition that offer IFE on the other longer routes it flies.