MAH4546
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DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:07 pm

Five airlines have applied for the pair of slots that has been freed up by Spirit Airlines' ending Detroit-Regan service this month. The pair of slots will allow for one takeoff and one landing. The applications are:

Delta Connection/Comair for Regan-Little Rock:
http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=445956&docketid=7182

US Airways for Regan-Pensacola:
http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=445956&docketid=7182

ATA for an additional Regan-Midway:
http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=445958&docketid=7182

airTran for an additional Regan-Atlanta:
http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=445964&docketid=7182

Midwest Airlines for an additional Regan-Milwaukee:
http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=445964&docketid=7182

In my opinion, Delta will get it.
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:17 pm

I agree, DL at first glance is my pick to win out. US comes in second, simply because I believe the authorities prefer to add new destinations over adding frequency. Does anybody have access to the O&D numbers LIT vs. PNS to DCA?
 
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:25 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 1):
Does anybody have access to the O&D numbers LIT vs. PNS to DCA?

2Q06:

Little Rock-Washington: 125
Little Rock-Baltimore: 161
TOTAL: 286

Pensacola-Washington: 212 per day
Pensacola-Baltimore: 104 per day
TOTAL: 316

Little Rock already has non-stops to Baltimore. The advantage Little Rock has is the political traffic, which will gain lots of political support. I still can't believe nobody is going for Tallahasse-Regan. 140 daily to DCA and 60 daily to BWI. Less traffic, but we are talking about the capital of America's fourth largest state!
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:36 pm

I like how ATA points out that it has the most seats per departure of any carrier at DCA, making it the most efficient user of slots. It is also the primary reason that Chicago-DCA fares are as low as they are; with just AA and UA on the Chicago-DCA route, DCA would be a "premium" airport with higher fares. ATA is running an annual load factor north of 70 percent on the route, which is pretty darn good; with about two-thirds traffic local and one-third conx to WN, this also gives the midwest solid low-fare service into the preferred DC airport.

The downside for TZ will the fact that they've gone from 752s on the route to a mix of 738s and 733s, but they still offer the highest number of seats (and these are low-fare seats) per departure of any carrier.

It's a decent case from the consumer's perspective, but they don't have the political pull that the other guys do. Sigh.

I'm just glad to see TZ continuing to do well on one of its traditional routes, and looking to do more.
 
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:40 pm

Unless I am reading them wrong, your links for DL and US are the same, as are the links for YX and FL.

Is the planned US route with US metal or US Express? I think DL and LIT will get the service.
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:20 pm

LIT has been looking into a N/S LIT-DCA route for a while. DCA-LIT does look like the most lucrative route out of all of those. I wonder how this would affect WN BWI-LIT flight....

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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:28 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
I still can't believe nobody is going for Tallahasse-Regan.

Didn't DL used to serve that route? IIRC, DL had a few recently cut routes to the Southeast out of DCA, of which TLH was one.

Anyway, as for who'll get it, I'd bet on DL's "Clinton Express"  Wink .
 
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:00 pm

It's Reagan not Regan. Reagan was the President, Regan was his Secretary of the Treasury and then Chief of Staff.
 
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:09 pm

Interestingly, Pensacola is the largest O&D from the combined DCA/BWI/IAD market with no nonstop service from any of the three airports.
 
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:30 pm

Quoting SeeTheWorld (Reply 8):
Interestingly, Pensacola is the largest O&D from the combined DCA/BWI/IAD market with no nonstop service from any of the three airports.

Well when you consider Pensacola has one of the largest Naval Training centers in the country, and couple that with the Air Force Bases at Eglin, you will begin to see why this area may have a bit more pull than Little Rock.
Add in all the Goverment contractors at both and I think there is a very convicning argument for giving this to US.
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:21 pm

I'd love to see PNS get the route....the traffic is definitely there. I was surpised to see that US would use a E170/175 for the route. I only expected they would use a CRJ-200 to start out.

In reality, all the applications are pretty strong and deserving. However, I do believe the US and DL applications will be favored if only because they provide service to smaller markets with minimal/no service to the DCA area. Of course, US and DL are the two largest slot holders at DCA and the DOT has leaned toward giving slots to underrepresented carriers at DCA.

While I would like to see PNS get it, I think LIT will have the political advantage. Of course, a potential merger between US and DL would certainly kill the chance of either carrier winning. However, since the merger is pretty dead, I don't think that will be a factor....especially since it will probably take the DOT six months to decide.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 6):
Didn't DL used to serve that route?

Nope. DL has never tried DCA-TLH. From DCA, DL has in the past tried JAX, TPA, MCO, FLL and PBI.

Despite DL's large presence in Florida, the only route from DCA that DL flies to Florida is DCA-MLB.
 
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:12 am

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 9):
Well when you consider Pensacola has one of the largest Naval Training centers in the country

which will be relocated to Newport, RI in the coming years.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 9):
and couple that with the Air Force Bases at Eglin,

I thought Eglin was near VPS and/or PFN...

either way, I think PNS has a good chance to get the new service. US can also offer much more connecting options via DCA than DL can from LIT.
 
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:21 am

Please! Let it be DCA-PNS! This service has been wanted for years. I know LIT is a capital city and all but they ALREADY have service to a Metropolitan Washington Airport (BWI) and with WN!

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
2Q06:

Little Rock-Washington: 125
Little Rock-Baltimore: 161
TOTAL: 286

Pensacola-Washington: 212 per day
Pensacola-Baltimore: 104 per day
TOTAL: 316

Your numbers are incorrect...
According to Table 1A on the Airfare Consumer Report for the second quarter of 2006: http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/X-5...e_files/consumerairfarereport.htm?

Arpts Distance PAX
LIT" "DCA" 888.00 101.31
PNS" "DCA" 816.00 133.95
PNS" "IAD" 804.00 77.14

If US Airways can make SRQ-DCA work then anything is possible.
SRQ" "DCA" 851.00 44.28
SRQ" "IAD" 848.00 31.64
 
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:25 am

I got my numbers straight from the same exact source as you.

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 12):
PNS" "DCA" 816.00 133.95
PNS" "IAD" 804.00 77.14

You do realize that 133.95+77.14 is approximately 211? Which is only one off from what I got, since I rounded the wrong way.

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 12):
LIT" "DCA" 888.00 101.31

And add about 25 passengers from LIT-IAD.

The numbers are absolutely correct.
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 11):
which will be relocated to Newport, RI in the coming years.

The only thing going to Newport is OCS (Office Candidate School) which is a small part of what goes on in PNS.

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 11):
I thought Eglin was near VPS and/or PFN...

You are correct. In fact, VPS uses Eglin's airfield...something the Air Force has never particularly liked.

However, VPS is definitely in the catchment area of PNS. If PNS offered a nonstop to DCA, I'm sure it would steal some traffic from VPS....just as it would also steal some traffic from MOB.
 
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/M

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:46 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
The numbers are absolutely correct.

Well indeed they're..Next time put Washington (DCA/IAD) though..Please

BTW- Where is US Airways Application for DCA-PNS? the link you listed in the beginning was for DCA-LIT. Nevermind...Found it

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=445968&docketid=7182

[Edited 2007-01-31 16:47:54]

[Edited 2007-01-31 16:49:50]
 
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 15):

Well indeed they're..Next time put Washington (DCA/IAD) though..Please

The table I have only shows them combined. Where are they shown split? Not that it makes a difference, people use them interchangeably for the most part.
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RE: DCA Apps: DL/LIT; US/PNS; YX/MKE; FL/ATL; TZ/MDW

Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:46 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 14):
However, VPS is definitely in the catchment area of PNS. If PNS offered a nonstop to DCA, I'm sure it would steal some traffic from VPS....just as it would also steal some traffic from MOB.

VPS is about 50 miles from PNS, and can actually be driven in about 50 minutes on 85/10/110, little slower on 98. But definately in the area.

Trust me with the way airfare has been, a lot of people from FWB have no problem driving to PNS for a flight.
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