sk909
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US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:24 am

Hey friends,

I had the pleasure travelling with Continental last Thursday to EWR from CPH. A really friendly airline, and a decent service. The meals were rather ok, and all in all I was really satisfied.

Now the reason for the topic, is that I had a rather "aha" experience. I was astonished about the amount of security at CPH, just to get on board. Before checking in at CPH I had to hand over my passport to a security/Continental employee, for them to make some sort of preliminary security check. Furthermore I had to answer a long list if questions.
Now well trough the "interrogation", I got to check in, which was a fairly standard procedure.
Now it was time for the CPH airport security check. Very standard procedure, though not as thorough as in the USA (no shoes of).
After spending some time in the terminal (extremely nice - the US airports could, and should something from the Danes) it was time to board the plane. Our so I though. I had to go through another metal detector and my hand luggage through the x-ray machine. As if I would have picked up a bomb, a knife or some other instrument to kill...
Pleasantly onboard the plane, they had there security information time, in which we were informed that no congregation around the toilets, and no entry to the galleys. All new security issues instated.
Ok, so now we should be sure that no crazy maniac, or terrorist, would the aircraft.
Now well in the air, and on our way to the US, we were served. Our so I thought....

When they served my lunch they had a metal knife on the tray. The knife being metal, hard, sharp and sharp-pointed...

By the way, the same being actual on the way back.

Now my question is:
How can the US claim that they are having such high standard of security, when I am not aloud to bring a small nail clipper, but I can have a sharp, sharp-pointed, metal knife by the airplane crew? I mean isn't a knife of 7-8 inches a lot more dangerous than a small nail clipper or a small razor blade??? This wasn't really a question... I was a soldier for nearly 4 years, and I know that such a knife is a lot more dangerous. So why all that security? For a long time I have been pro security, but lately I think I is a joke. It is all a charade. Something, especially the US, has set up to make it look like that flying is safe. But also the EU is been pulled into this evil circle, making no sense at all.

Does any of you have anything to say about this? Hope so.

Best regards,

SK909
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EvilForce
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting SK909 (Thread starter):
For a long time I have been pro security, but lately I think I is a joke. It is all a charade. Something, especially the US, has set up to make it look like that flying is safe. But also the EU is been pulled into this evil circle, making no sense at all.

Dude, it's ALWAYS been a joke. It's ALWAYS only been window dressing meant to make you FEEL safe, not actually BE safe.
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ATCGOD
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:29 am

Quoting SK909 (Thread starter):

When they served my lunch they had a metal knife on the tray. The knife being metal, hard, sharp and sharp-pointed...

I thought they only served dull butter knives on flights now. I find it hard to believe you had a full on steak knife on your tray.
 
sk909
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:48 am

Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 2):
I thought they only served dull butter knives on flights now. I find it hard to believe you had a full on steak knife on your tray.

Well believe or not, but we were a lot people puzzled by it. And yes there was a served a very nice meal.
On the way home from EWR to CPH they served a nice meal with a choice of chicken or beef.
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deltagator
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting SK909 (Thread starter):
Before checking in at CPH I had to hand over my passport to a security/Continental employee, for them to make some sort of preliminary security check. Furthermore I had to answer a long list if questions.
Now well trough the "interrogation", I got to check in,

That is part of the pre-flight questions to size you up that is requested by the US government. It is quite hilarious for us US citizens returning home. It goes a little like this...

Q: Why do you want to travel to the USA today?
A: Because I want to go home after a business trip.

Q: What is your business in the USA?
A: Returning home from a business trip. I will taking a brief vacation when I get home.

Q: Where will you be staying during your vacation?
A: My house for the next three days over a long weekend.

Q: Why are you visiting the US?
A: I'm not visiting! I live there as a US citizen, born and raised.

Quoting SK909 (Thread starter):
they had there security information time, in which we were informed that no congregation around the toilets, and no entry to the galleys.

Paranoia of people plotting the hijacking and demise of the plane. As if they couldn't sit in the same row and do the same plotting.

Quoting SK909 (Thread starter):
Does any of you have anything to say about this?

Don't even get me started!  Wink USA security that we see (the backend scans are getting better) is an absolute joke and is there to give you the impression of being safe. Profiling to look for the terrorist and not the weapon is one thing we need desperately.
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sk909
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:31 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 5):
That is part of the pre-flight questions to size you up that is requested by the US government. It is quite hilarious for us US citizens returning home. It goes a little like this...

Well it is was more like:
Q: When did you pack your luggage?
A: This morning at 4 am.

Q: Where has it been since?
A: I my car.

Q: Has anybody been in contact with it?
A: No...

Q: Any battery driven gadgets?
A: Yes

Q: Like what?
A: MP3 and camera

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 5):
As if they couldn't sit in the same row and do the same plotting.

Well if I had been a terrorist I would have planned it in advance... And when an eventual attack was about to happen, I would just walk through the cabin...

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 5):
USA security that we see (the backend scans are getting better) is an absolute joke and is there to give you the impression of being safe

Well I respect a country for trying. But I expect it to be a serious try. The only thing you risk by doing it the way the US is, is that people loss faith, and loss any kind of respect. I mean it is like kind, asking a parent if he/she can stay home from school because og illness... You either be really sick or ill, or you make a real attempt, acting an act, worthy of an Oscar. Not come soon lame excuse of an attempt.
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gh123
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:53 am

Well as far as the questioning at check in goes - I am under the impression that there are penalties for airlines who transport people into the US who do not have the correct paperwork/ visas etc. Therefore they have to ensure that you are 'good to go' before you fly.

Say AA flies me to the US and I do not have a propper visa (for work) when I get turned round at immigration AA would be also responsible for my return travel.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
7474ever
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:35 am

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 7):
Say AA flies me to the US and I do not have a propper visa (for work) when I get turned round at immigration AA would be also responsible for my return travel.

Bingo, exactly like that. The airline MUST take you back (if the plane is full, a passenger will stay on the ground...) plus pay a penalty.
 
sk909
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:55 am

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 8):
Bingo, exactly like that. The airline MUST take you back (if the plane is full, a passenger will stay on the ground...) plus pay a penalty.



Quoting Gh123 (Reply 7):
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Well that doesn't explain the whole we "will ask questions take your passport". I mean I fly SK a lot, and they don't employ 8-9 people just to ask questions. That is done by the check in staff. Yes, they ask me the same questions, and yes they look in my passport whether or not it is valid.
Nor was it to save time... I mean there was a cue, and people was scattered all over the place. It just looked plain unstructured.
And during the whole "we will take your passport" thing, they swept the passport thru a computer, and the data was recorded.

And yes, if a passenger doesn't have the right passport or visa, the airline has to transport the passenger back to point of origin, and is penalized.

Give me something better...
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EvilForce
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:01 am

Quoting SK909 (Reply 9):
Give me something better...

Create an airline called Armed Airlines. All passengers are allowed to bring guns, knives, and taser weapons on board. No security at all.
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VHXLR8
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:38 am

Quoting SK909 (Reply 6):
Well it is was more like:
Q: When did you pack your luggage?
A: This morning at 4 am.

Q: Where has it been since?
A: I my car.

Q: Has anybody been in contact with it?
A: No...

Q: Any battery driven gadgets?
A: Yes

Q: Like what?
A: MP3 and camera

These type of questions have been asked at check-in all around the world for many many years. Not just USA flights, and not just recently.
 
deltagator
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:54 am

Quoting SK909 (Reply 6):
Well it is was more like:
Q: When did you pack your luggage?
A: This morning at 4 am.

Well I did get those questions as well but I'm seriously not kidding about the other ones. It was all quite surreal getting asked questions like that at the behest of my own country. Hope you had a good time over here despite some of "retardedness."

Quoting SK909 (Thread starter):
How can the US claim that they are having such high standard of security, when I am not aloud to bring a small nail clipper, but I can have a sharp, sharp-pointed, metal knife by the airplane crew?

You can bring nail clippers onboard now. I even travel with a small screwdriver.
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bps3458
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:49 pm

..... and after that assuring security experience, the friendly staff of US Immigration has a go at you. After my last experience in SFO in December I have really given up and just try to keep my mouth shut.

Let's be positive, the US is a great country to visit with millions of friendly people. I really enjoyed my time working in the Twin Cities and NY and left behind lots of great friends since my move to Oz.

Cheers,

Peter
 
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:37 pm

Not to worry...

The metal knife I had in Business Class last week would be classified as a "blunt instrument!"
 
bps3458
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:01 pm

Flying LH in business class from JFK to FRA in 2004 I really had to laugh when I received a plastic knife and metal fork. Wouldn't it be just as easy to use a metal fork as a weapon or even grabbing a bottle of whine and breaking the bottle ?!?!? As someone said before, it is a scam to make the travelling public feel safe.

Cheers,

Peter
 
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:09 pm

Quoting SK909 (Reply 6):
Well it is was more like:
Q: When did you pack your luggage?
A: This morning at 4 am.

Q: Where has it been since?
A: I my car.

Q: Has anybody been in contact with it?
A: No...

oh man, the problem is when you have someone either not familiar with these routine questions or flying for the first time... when they actually ask "Has anybody been in contact with it?" I once saw/heard a woman tell the check-in agent... (not word for word ofcourse) "yes my brother helped me load it in my car... then a gentleman in white uniform outside (referring to the security agents outside that airport) helped me take the luggage off the cart and into the xray machine and then another gentleman in khaki uniform took the luggage out of the other end of the xray machine..." all the while the check-in agent is trying to get the woman to say "NO".
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EvilForce
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:47 pm

Quoting BPS3458 (Reply 12):
..... and after that assuring security experience, the friendly staff of US Immigration has a go at you. After my last experience in SFO in December I have really given up and just try to keep my mouth shut.

Let's be positive, the US is a great country to visit with millions of friendly people. I really enjoyed my time working in the Twin Cities and NY and left behind lots of great friends since my move to Oz.

I've traveled extensively, and as a US citizen I will say US immigration/customs are the nastiest jackholes I've ever encountered. CONSISTENTLY.
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Cubsrule
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:43 pm

Best questions ever (from AF/DL at CDG).

Q. Have you had control of your luggage?
A. My hand luggage? (I was connecting from WAW)

Q. No, your luggage
A. Of course not. It's been in AF's control.

Q. Why?
A. Because I flew here from Warsaw...
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ltbewr
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RE: US Security Bad Excuse

Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:49 am

The people asking for your passport and asking some questions at check in are just following a well established procedure to protect the airline. They add one more (thin) layer of safety. They need to make sure you have all the necessary documents (like your passport/visas) to reduce delays at the check in counter and costly problems for the airline. By asking some questions, even some silly ones, it is a reasonable large mesh screen to keep off potential troublemakers, people using illegally obtained or stolen tickets (or e-tickets), 'gifts' from a stranger that may contain illegal or dangerous items (like a bomb) or of someone placing a bomb in someone's unattended luggage.

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