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DC9 Damaged In YYZ - Write Off?

Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:38 am

I heard a few days ago a NW DC9 has the nose gear and part of the front of the fuselage damaged when a bag runner hit he aircraft. Apparenntly the driver didnt have his D/A so now the handler is completely liable...anybody know of this in more detail??
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:28 am

Plenty more where that came from  duck 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:41 am

If it's one of NW's ancient DC-9's, the book value must be zero....they can just sell it to him for $1 or something and we can then make it the YYZ a.net HQ.... Big grin
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:42 am

If you want pictures look at airlinersgallery blogspot
http://bp0.blogger.com/_iKdrOeTCljo/...(03)(Grd)(Accident-1)+YYZ+(TM).jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_iKdrOeTCljo/...(03)(Grd)(Accident-2)+YYZ+(TM).jpg
The thing I want to know is why was the driver going toward the side of the plane when the baggage door is on the other side?
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:08 am

Totally repairable. Even given it is an old airplane. Two or three lower frames replaced, 4-5 stringer splices and some skin. Most liklely a two-three week job. The real question is what was this guy doing? Why did he even have a bag loader on the left side? Was he at the next gate and says "I'll just go under the plane, It will be quicker than going around it"?
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:40 am

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 4):
Totally repairable. Even given it is an old airplane. Two or three lower frames replaced, 4-5 stringer splices and some skin. Most liklely a two-three week job.

But is it really worth the cost to repair? Old DC-9s are a dime a dozen these days and they'd probably get more from parting it out than if they repaired it and put back into revenue service. Since whoever the handling company has their liability insurance will more than likely be the one who makes the determination on whether this a/c gets repaired. Considering that most insurance companies when it comes to auto accidents will total a wrecked vehicle if the costs to repair it are close to the vehicles' value, more than likely, this a/c will be scrapped.
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:43 am

The decision will be be with the insurance company. Depends also when the next major check will have to done. Also, is there a hanger that can be used to repair the aircraft and not cost more than the aircraft is worth to rent.
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:23 am

It's ironic...look at the second pic...it is a swissport belt loader too...I call this poetic justice....
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:34 am

This DC-9 is parked on the Fedex ramp now.
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:27 am

the funny thing is that swissport doesnt even handle northwest in yyz
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:08 am

Quoting RicardoFG (Thread starter):
Apparenntly the driver didnt have his D/A so now the handler is completely liable...anybody know of this in more detail

For the uninitated -- D/A?

And I'd love to how (a) how he was headed twoard the port side of the aircraftm and (b) how he made it out without injury. Wasn't a US ramper unfourtinately killed in a similar incident last year?

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Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:51 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 10):
For the uninitated -- D/A?

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Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:22 am

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Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:25 am

Lincoln,


Yes a Piedmont ramper in DCA was killed last year. She mistakenly hit the gas instead of the brake and was crushed between the beltloader and the belly of an E170. Anyone know how the hell the driver of this beltloader didn't meet the same fate?
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RE: DC9 Damaged In YYZ - Write Off?

Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting PilotNTrng (Reply 13):
Anyone know how the hell the driver of this beltloader didn't meet the same fate?

Guess the driver realized that stopping wasn't an option and bailed ... probably woke up the next morning with a different case of "ramp rash" though.
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:49 am

Swiss port worker enuff said

Was it driven in was the apron icey there are many things to this. Was it in netural with no ebrake and it rolled who knows...
The reason I am bashing swissport is that this industry on the ramp sould be a profession not pay any one $8/hr to do this kind of work. You make more at Tim Hortons
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RE: DC9 Damaged In YYZ - Write Off?

Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:49 am

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 1):
The thing I want to know is why was the driver going toward the side of the plane when the baggage door is on the other side?

does anyone else notice a problem with the jet bridge?... in the second picture you see that the L1 door is closed and significantly higher thatn the bttm of the pax door?
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:09 pm

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 5):
Since whoever the handling company has their liability insurance will more than likely be the one who makes the determination on whether this a/c gets repaired.

You are assuming they will go through their insurance carrier. They are most assuredly self-insured up to a point. This damage may, or may not, reach that. Depending on check-time, I'll bet they keep it and not declare it.
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:22 pm

If the next flight or last flight at that gate is/was an ERJ/CRJ, the bag bin door is on the port side. The ramper may have been repositioning the beltloader. As for the jetway question? The jetway on DC9s/MD80s have to sit below the lip of the door by about 2 inches, due to the way the door sits in the open position.
Edit: that other door you see below the jetway is the fwd airstair door.

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Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:42 pm

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 18):
The jetway on DC9s/MD80s have to sit below the lip of the door by about 2 inches, due to the way the door sits in the open position.

easily in the photo I referenced earlier, the doorways is 2-3 inches min above the frame.. who knows!
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:10 pm

It's a old DC-9 - just patch it up, and it will keep flying for a few more years. Still, it is fortunate the driver wasn't hurt. I do hope an investgation will figure out what happened.
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:19 pm

Quoting RicardoFG (Reply 9):
the funny thing is that swissport doesn't even handle northwest in yyz

You're right, Swissy was just driving in the vicinity when the brakes failed, going at a high rate of speed (my guess due to the level of penetration of the hand-guard/guilotine) when they bailed. It caved in the belly in about a 3' X 3' swath right at the alternate static port. Once the loader was removed, the damage was far more evident. No, no pictures. Popped rivets and at least five lower frames caved in about 6"-8" and cargo floor penetrated. Repairable, yes, worth it, not likely. I'm surprised it didn't fold in half during the tow. Also interesting to note, in the second photo, behind the wheel directly above the 'swiss' in the swissport sticker (under the two static ports), the black line running up the side of the fuse is a gash where the hand-guard entered and penetrated the cargo floor. Two inches wide and running about 2' of the circumference. Another tid-bit of information. That same gate B15 is where another NW dc-9 got clipped by a mtce van roof rack right at the fwd pressure bulkhead about 5-6 years ago. That a/c lived to fly another day. A temp repair was c/o here then ferried unpressurized to MSP, I guess, for permanent repair.
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:03 pm

Will the belt loader be written off as well?
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:07 pm

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 19):
Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 18):
The jetway on DC9s/MD80s have to sit below the lip of the door by about 2 inches, due to the way the door sits in the open position.

easily in the photo I referenced earlier, the doorways is 2-3 inches min above the frame.. who knows!

I know! I know! What you're seeing below the jet way isn't the 1L door itself, but the door for the retractable stairway that all orginal family DC-9's have. Many airlines have removed the stairs, but the door still remains.

Don't forget that when the original DC-9's appeared, jetbridges were not as commona s they are today.
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:27 pm

Quoting Kearnet (Reply 23):

I know! I know! What you're seeing below the jet way isn't the 1L door itself, but the door for the retractable stairway that all orginal family DC-9's have. Many airlines have removed the stairs, but the door still remains.

That is what that door is. On NW's DC-9s, airplanes that have ventral stairs had their forward airstairs removed to save weight. Airplanes without ventral stairs still have their forward airstairs installed. This really doesn't factor into the belt loader incident but in the case of 9989, the incident airplane, I believe that it would still have forward stairs, due to the fact that the airplane was delivered to Eastern, who, IIRC, didn't have ventral stairs on their DC-9-30s.
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:29 pm

Quoting RicardoFG (Reply 9):
the funny thing is that swissport doesnt even handle northwest in yyz

Right NW handles their own work there, correct?
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:32 pm

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 25):
Right NW handles their own work there, correct?

This is what I have heard.
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:41 pm

I believe YYZ was recently outsourced. Never compromise savings... you should see the crap at some of the other stations- CVG and DAY have been complete train wrecks since the newbies took over.

I actually had a panel from the airplane sitting in my FO's seat when we came out one morning with a note saying "sorry, we found this on the ground."

"sorry, we're taking an hour delay for mx..."
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Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:49 pm

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 25):
Right NW handles their own work there, correct?

I thought Penauille Servisair handled them...but i could be wrng
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:41 am

I have flown on that plane. What a shame if she is parted out. She made it 39 years and what a crappy way to go out.

Quoting Kearnet (Reply 23):
What you're seeing below the jet way isn't the 1L door itself, but the door for the retractable stairway that all orginal family DC-9's have. Many airlines have removed the stairs, but the door still remains.

When I was a kid I remember watching the ground stairs being opened when watching Ozark DC-9s at SGF. I always thought that was cool. I remember walking up/down them a time or two too.
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:44 am

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 27):
I believe YYZ was recently outsourced.

None of the Canadian cities were on the list for being outsourced. I know NW has a lot of their own people in Canada.
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:21 am

Quoting RicardoFG (Thread starter):
heard a few days ago a NW DC9 has the nose gear and part of the front of the fuselage damaged when a bag runner hit he aircraft. Apparenntly the driver didnt have his D/A so now the handler is completely liable...anybody know of this in more detail??

Hey guys, he just wanted to taste the metal, maybe he was hungry and didn't have breakfast. Give the guy a break, maybe there was a beautiful girl he was looking at, wouldn't you look too. No excuse, just plain carelessness I guess he will have a lot to answer for
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 31):
maybe there was a beautiful girl he was looking at

She couldn't have been dressed too seductively at YYZ in January.  cold 
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Quoting RicardoFG (Thread starter):
a NW DC9 has the nose gear and part of the front of the fuselage damaged

How did the nose gear get damaged? The loader doesn't even look like it came close to it in the pictures.
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 27):
Never compromise savings... you should see the crap at some of the other stations- CVG and DAY have been complete train wrecks since the newbies took over.

Gee. I was just in DAY on NW. Everyone was great and it looked very effeciently run. No problemo.
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 32):
She couldn't have been dressed too seductively at YYZ in January.
You never know could have been going south. I have seen them getting on the aircraft for BGI in string bikinis in the middle of winter

[Edited 2007-02-02 19:44:24]
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:13 am

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 34):
You never know could have been going south. I have seen them getting on the aircraft for BGI in string bikinis in the middle of winter

I have a video of Ozark Airlines commercials and one from the 80s has people getting off the plane in swim suits and the like going onto the beach. How cool would that be?
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 35):
have a video of Ozark Airlines commercials and one from the 80s has people getting off the plane in swim suits and the like going onto the beach. How cool would that be?

Well we in the frozen North can't wait to get to the sunshine
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting ReidYYZ (Reply 21):
That same gate B15 is where another NW dc-9 got clipped by a mtce van roof rack right at the fwd pressure bulkhead about 5-6 years ago.

Close, it was actually B14...

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 27):
I believe YYZ was recently outsourced.



Quoting RicardoFG (Reply 28):
I thought Penauille Servisair handled them...but i could be wrng

it's still NW doind their own thing at YYZ,

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As for the incident... it looks like a brake failure of the beltloader, driver realized it and bailed, lucky for him (at that moment) not so lucky for the -9.
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:05 am

Regardless NW should go after the company for every penny of damage and then some. Brake failure or not, it was Swissport's problem for not maintaining, also, how fast was he going if it put that kind of hole in the plane. Steering wasn't gone by the sounds of it either. Accident or not Swissport should pay.

[Edited 2007-02-03 02:06:17]
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:47 am

If NW is still operating the DC-9 that had it's wings replaced by those from the wreckage of AC797, then fixing this airframe should not be a problem.
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:18 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 39):
If NW is still operating the DC-9 that had it's wings replaced by those from the wreckage of AC797, then fixing this airframe should not be a problem.

They might need to bring back Republic to handle that repair. I believe it was them who put the AC wing on the fuselage of the Ozark DC-9 that hit the snowplow in FSD.
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:43 pm

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 36):
Well we in the frozen North can't wait to get to the sunshine

Speaking of the frozen north, it is going to be around 5F this weekend here in Detroit. I would be thrilled for 60F. Sunshine, What is that?
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:56 pm

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 40):
They might need to bring back Republic to handle that repair. I believe it was them who put the AC wing on the fuselage of the Ozark DC-9 that hit the snowplow in FSD.

Republic bought the aircraft N994Z after it was repaired by a less than stellar repair station.
A dual wing replacement was performed. Northwest obtained it when they merged with Republic. The FAA then grounded the aircraft, as little or no documentation was created to support the work.
Northwest had to open up the aircraft and document all repairs under the watch of the FAA. The original work was not satisfactory and Northwest had to correct it. This aircraft N994Z is retired and stored at Mariana.
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:55 pm

Quoting ReidYYZ (Reply 21):
You're right, Swissy was just driving in the vicinity

...................  Wink

Quoting RicardoFG (Reply 28):
I thought Penauille Servisair handled them...but i could be wrng

No, they still have their own ramp crews

Quoting YYZACGUY (Reply 15):
The reason I am bashing swissport is that this industry on the ramp sould be a profession not pay any one $8/hr to do this kind of work. You make more at Tim Hortons

Agree, all 3rd party handlers @ YYZ pay more or less the same, AC is the exception.......... still no reason for "unsafe" behaviour.


Info I have, that girl (DC 9) will be retired from active duty.....

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Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:14 pm

I heard that Swissport just bought it. Plans are to tow it to the north end, outside the perimeter fence and make a small coffee shop were the connie used to be. No, not serious, in fact any time we encounter an aircraft that goes AOG from one ATA chapter to another, we figured it doesn't want to fly so ideas of "tow it beside the connie and make it a sports bar" come out.