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Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:43 am

Hello Everyone,

I am curious. I thought that Eastern operated a Chicago, IL to Birmingham, AL non-stop that continued to some other city. But the OAG I have from 12/1/85 shows a one-stop thorugh ATL. Did this route ever exist? If so,for how long? Aircraft? Schedule? Meals?

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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:57 am

I am almost positive that the route existed at some point. My Mom worked on the Eastern Reservation system and she remembers her instructor at the school using that route for a mock-reservation. But then who knows, it could have been a fictional route.

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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:16 am

According to this route map they did:

http://departedflights.com/EA090672.html
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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:22 am

Yes, in fact it did. I have old photos - real photos - from June 1973 when I flew an EA DC-9 from ORD to BHM. nonstop.
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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:59 pm

Going way back in time, to 1972, Eastern did operate two daily ORD-BHM flights.
EA285 ORD-BHM 1120-1249
EA225 ORD-BHM 1840-2010

Both flights continued to PNS, terminating at 1402 and 2119.

At the time (1972) Eastern was Big in Chicago, (36 Dailies) for fun, here is the list:

ATL-7X
BHM-2X
CLT-3X
FLL-3X
GSO-2X
IND-1X
JAX-1X
SDF-3X
MIA-4X
BNA-2X
MSY-1X
MCO-2X
SJU-3X
SRQ-1X
TPA-1X

And from Midway....one Daily to IND....that was a one-stop to MIA....Odd.
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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:28 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
SJU-3X

What were they using for equip on the ORD-SJU run? That seems like an awful long push for a 727-200...and this would have been pre-L1011, no?
 
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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting B52murph (Reply 5):
What were they using for equip on the ORD-SJU run? That

DC-8's perhaps.....

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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting B52murph (Reply 5):
What were they using for equip on the ORD-SJU run?

Series 900 flights were the DC-8-60s, and these were 900 series flight numbers. Before the L1011, SJU was almost entirely DC-8s...Big Station for EA there....service to ATL, BWI, BOS, ORD, MIA, EWR, JFK, PHL, and PIT...about 24X Dailies.

The other place to which the DC-8-60 operated from ORD would have been MIA....another high-density route.

Eastern was a launch customer of the -61/-63 in 1967....Before they came on line, EA used a 727-100 on the route, and before that, a DC-7.
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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:44 am

Did they still serve BHM from ORD in the mid-80's?

That is about the time my mom was training, January of 1985 to be exact.

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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:47 am

Quoting B52murph (Reply 5):
What were they using for equip on the ORD-SJU run? That seems like an awful long push for a 727-200...and this would have been pre-L1011, no?

Didn't the 720's fly to SJU as well?
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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:18 am

Come on, Does anyone know the answer to my question?
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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:01 am

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 8):
Did they still serve BHM from ORD in the mid-80's?

I'm pretty sure they did not. I flew up north from BHM regularly during the 80s and did a lot of it on EA; don't recall ever going through ORD. I typically flew United going to Chicago then as it was pre-WN in BHM days.
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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:05 am

EA dropped ORD-BHM in 1978 or '79 and it didn't reappear in any of the dozen or so 1979-85 schedules I checked. (DL flew it in 1980-81.)
 
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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:56 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 9):
Didn't the 720's fly to SJU as well?

I don't think so.
The 720 didn't last very long with Eastern, being used on mostly short-haul medium density routes...

I failed to mention that Eastern also used the shorter DC-8s into SJU as well, from places like PIT, BOS, and some of the off-peak MIA flights.
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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:05 am

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I am able to find such flights (by jet) as you describe in the '70's. Back in the '60's BHM was almost exclusivley L-188 territory as far as EA was concerned and those made multiple-stops BHM-ORD. If I jump to fall of '90 I'm not seeing non-stops either.

EA operated a fleet of 15 B-720's from August of '61 and sold off the last one in June of '70.
They may have operated them into SJU (as equipt.subs.) but I can't find any scheduled. It does seem to me they were configured for over-water in the beginning---hence the VHF antennae, rafts, etc.----but I can't remember for sure. (Perhaps a "Silver Falcon" old  out there will know!)  smirk 

I looked at the OAG for October '63 and found SJU to be strictly (standard) DC-8 territory----the first B-727 was delivered in Nov. '63 (EA had a wonderful "open-house" here in ATL over at their hanger------that B-727 looked  eyepopping "baaaaad to the bone" parked in between a DC-7B and an L-188---I had a great time!). Although with a max.range of around 1,700

Jump to August of '66 and SJU is still a bastion of (standard) DC-8's.
(Oh, and with onward connections to CB's wonderful old Convairs to STT and STX.)
A few of them offered the fabulous "Famous Restaurant Service"  thumbsup  such as one from ORD-SJU and one from SJU-JFK.
The first of the "Super 61's" not being delivered untill Feb. '67, and the first "Super 63" in Feb. '69.

In the fall of '57 First-Class was flown by DC-7B's with the "Connies" filling in for the all-coach flights.

AND-----just for the thrill of it,---- in June of '59 you could take EA's First-Class only,(pre-LEAP) L-188 Non-Stop IDL-SJU Flight#801 "The Puerto Rican" leaving New York at 10:35am and arriving at SJU 3:25pm. ($189.00 RT)

OR the equally leisurely, DC-7B Flight#835,
"The El Boricua Deluxe Coach" leaving IDL at Noon arriving SJU at 5:20pm. ($135.20 RT)

Both provided, what would be by todays standards, a VERY luxurious luncheon, I'm sure.
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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:47 am

Ok, Maybe the service in the 80's was short lived, but my Mom is sure the route existed at some point in the 80's.

Last night I found a business card and contacted a person I met at an aviation collectibles show a few years back. He has a huge collection of timetables. Hopefully he can find me an answer.

I will let you all know what he says. He contacted me earlier today and said he should be able to get me an answer tonight or tommorow morning.

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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:27 am

Hi,

My friend emailed me and found the answer, but only gave a non-detailed response.

Eastern did fly the ORD-BHM route (at least in the Jan. 1, 1985 timetable he has, which is the only one from that year).

The flight was routed ORD-BHM-MOB and then the revers.

Do any of you have that timetable? If so can you give me all the details i asked for in the original post?

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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:37 am

In 1/85 it was EA 1651, D9S, leaving ORD 1800 XSa, arriving BHM 1733, and EA 1650 leaving BHM 0808 XSu, arrive ORD 0945, each with "meal appropriate to time of day" or whatever it was they said.

It's in the 2/85 and not in the 3/85 (or the 10/84).
 
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RE: Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?

Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:59 am

Thanks,

Finally an answer! I appreciate it TimZ.

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