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Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:51 am

I was just looking at the other topic about how many airlines are using the great MD 11 for PAX now.

In the past MD 11 has good live in many PAX airlines. Can anyone help me colplete the list. I would love to collect the photo of these wonderful looking birds in all livery. Thanks

Finnair
Thai
Philippines
Japan Airlines
Korean Air
China Airlines
American
Alitalia
Delta
KLM
Air Namibia
Varig
Saudia
Malaysia ??
Garuda Indonesia

??? more?
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:57 am

Other carriers include:

Mandarin Airlines
Swissair
Swiss
TAM (Current)
World Airways (Current)
China Eastern Airlines
Eva Air
VASP
Martinair (Current, MD11F)
City Bird
VRG Linhas Aéreas

And yes Malaysia Airlines did operate the MD11

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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:01 am

Add LTU to the list of former MD-11 operators.
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:02 am

Quoting Thaiaggie (Thread starter):
Can anyone help me colplete the list. I would love to collect the photo of these wonderful looking birds in all livery. Thanks

You can check the Wiki link, as I've done a "previous operators" list on it today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_MD-11

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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:02 am

Didn't KL operate the MD-11, too?
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:03 am

Oh yeah how could I forget EVA. I flew it on BKK-VIE flight.
Too bad 90% of those have gone to cargo.

Thanks Rob and magyarorszag

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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:14 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
Didn't KL operate the MD-11, too?

Yes, but the thread title is: "Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past".

Quoting Thaiaggie (Reply 5):
Thanks Rob and magyarorszag

You're welcome!

Cheers to all.

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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:39 am

Quoting Thaiaggie (Thread starter):
Finnair
Thai
Philippines
Japan Airlines
Korean Air
China Airlines
American
Alitalia
Delta
KLM
Air Namibia
Varig
Saudia
Malaysia ??
Garuda Indonesia

AY, KL and SV are current MD-11 operators, although in the case of SV, the only PAX MD-11s they operate are used for VIP flights only, not scheduled PAX service. Along with that, MH and PR only operated the MD-11 under a wetlease from WO, so those MD-11s would only fly on a very short basis with them.
 
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:40 am

Add Delta too.
And soon, RG.

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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:51 am

USAfrica, albeit short-lived, on routes out of IAD.
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:04 am

You can also add SABENA to this list. I have flown it to YUL.

It is a very sexy aircraft....
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting Gaut (Reply 10):
You can also add SABENA to this list. I have flown it to YUL.

The Sabena MD-11s were owned and operated by CityBird. I also flew one BRU-YUL. If not mistaken the pilots were CityBird and the flight attendants were SN. There was a decal on the aircraft mentioning that the aircraft was operated by CityBird on behalf of Sabena.
 
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:06 am

I would like to add that PSA had these birds in their fleet for a short period of time for their SFO-LAX Service.
 
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:09 am

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 12):
I would like to add that PSA had these birds in their fleet for a short period of time for their SFO-LAX Service.

PSA flew the L-1011, not the MD-11.
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:10 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
There was a decal on the aircraft mentioning that the aircraft was operated by CityBird on behalf of Sabena.


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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:12 am

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 12):
I would like to add that PSA had these birds in their fleet for a short period of time for their SFO-LAX Service.



Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 13):
PSA flew the L-1011

And that was during the mid-1970s.

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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:13 am

Thanks Falcon Flyer for the correction.
 
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:40 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
The Sabena MD-11s were owned and operated by CityBird. I also flew one BRU-YUL. If not mistaken the pilots were CityBird and the flight attendants were SN. There was a decal on the aircraft mentioning that the aircraft was operated by CityBird on behalf of Sabena.

Hi Viscount,

I knew those MD-11 were leased but thought pilots came from SABENA. Thanks for the info...


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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:53 am

wasent JU sopposed to be launch customer for MD-11 in Europe???
If i remember correctly, the war just broke out in Yugoslavia, so their order was cancelled and AY became the launch customer
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:04 am

Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 18):
wasent JU sopposed to be launch customer for MD-11 in Europe???

I think you're right along with Air Europe (Mk 1, UK) and Minerve. None of which actually took delivery.
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:23 am

Lest we forget Aer Lingus!? It may not have been their own metal, but few aircraft ever looked as good as N272WA in the Aer Lingus colours!
 
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:32 am

Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 19):
I think you're right along with Air Europe (Mk 1, UK) and Minerve. None of which actually took delivery.

Along with British Caledonian, AOM and Aerolloyd
 
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:34 am

I appologize in advance if I've duplicated any. Most of these were leased from WO and operated in an all white fuselage with the operators name and logo. I know a photo of the Ghana aircaft is on A.net.

Air ALM (leased from Citybird Dec 00-Mar 01)
AirAsia (leased from WO Mar-Apr 99)
Avianca (leased from WO, partial colors Dec 98-Jan 99)
El Al (leased from WO Jun-Oct 98, again in 99 and 00)
Ghana (leased from WO Oct 94-Mar 95)
TransAer (leased from WO Jul-Sep 99)
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:48 am

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 21):
Along with British Caledonian, AOM and Aerolloyd

Others who had placed orders but were not taken up for various reasons:

Air Zaire (had 2 on order)
China Southern (MoU for 6)
JAT (had 3 on order, +2 options)
Nigeria (had 1 on order)
VIASA (had 2 on order)


Missed one:
STAR Europe (leased from Citybird Dec 96-Mar 97)
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:00 pm

didn't AA operate the MD-11?
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:24 pm

Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 19):
I think you're right along with Air Europe (Mk 1, UK) and Minerve.

I believe Air Europe was also a launch customer for a proposed MD-11 with Trent 700 engines, but in the end, they never even ordered it.

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 24):
didn't AA operate the MD-11?

Yes, and they're in the thread starter's list.
 
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:24 pm

From a pax standpoint the "Mighty Dawg" is a great ride. Large windows and great A/C system (a blessing on the ground on a hot summers day!) ----plenty of reserve power makes for great t/o's---yeeee-haw!.

I hope you folks who really enjoy the history of commercial aviation, and all the exciting sensations of flight, will hurry up and make sure you have made at least one trip on these birds before all the pax versions dissapear. I don't think you would ever regret it. IMO the best seats in the house are windows just ahead of the leading edge of the wing ,rows 14,15,16 etc. ---you get all the wing and engine "action" plus plenty of "buzz-saw", or as a last resort, a window on the next- to- the- last rows(36,37,38) in the rear so your view is not totally obstructed by the wing, and you can still get some of the wing action going on.

If only McDac had not been so squirrely and gone ahead with the programme for mid-eighties deliveries-----no telling how many more might have been built.  
Oh well, no sense in splitting hairs over it now.
I, for one, will miss 'em.

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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:05 pm

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 26):
rom a pax standpoint the "Mighty Dawg" is a great ride. Large windows and great A/C system (a blessing on the ground on a hot summers day!) ----plenty of reserve power makes for great t/o's---yeeee-haw!.

One area that isn't so great about them is the lack of individual gasper fans. The Air Con is good when it's up and running and the cabin is at temp, but it's not really up to the task during a cabin turnaround at Bangkok....After my recent four MD-11 flights (Singapore to Helsinki via Bangkok, then return) my only complaint about this aircraft that I'm so in love and obsessed with, is all to do with the cabin. It's an old cramped low tech design that's showing it's age, and the lack of gaspers is a real dampner on passenger comfort up until you're airborne.

But nothing except the MD-11's older brother (DC-10) comes close to the joy of the steep departure climbout, or the seat of the pants sensation of flight during the flare and touch-down.

I planned my trip solely on experiencing the joy of flying in an MD-11 before they've been retired from Pax service. Shame that the cabin crew were so joyless, serious and cold, and that the cabin was so old and seating cramped. To be an engineer for the MD-11 type certificate holder, with ID, immensely polite, well grommed, and well spoken and not be allowed a flight deck visit even during the 1hr at the gate at Bangkok was an insult. Finnair probably won't get my future business, it's just a shame that the choice of revenue pax operators is now so small.
 
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:01 pm

Quoting Matell (Reply 27):
but it's not really up to the task during a cabin turnaround at Bangkok....After my recent four MD-11 flights (Singapore

Good to hear of your experiences.
I'm thinking there might have been a problem with one of the air packs or maybe the carrier is just trying to economize at the expense of pax comfort. I have also never been exposed to a 'Mighty Dawg" with a worn out interior-----I've been either spoiled or lucky I suppose!

I have encountered many a hot summers day (over 100F outside, on DL's MD11's) and the cabin was like a walk-in refrigerator! I always thought it a nice capability and I can remember many a fellow pax showing appreciation for it too!

I am glad you have been able to enjoy the great sensations of flight these birds offer.
IMHO, I can name only a few other jet aircraft that have such fun sensation and great take-off drama-------'880,720B,727-100 (oh yeah,back in the day when they were new there was PLENTY of "hot-roding"  eyepopping  'goin on---especially over at PI!),747,DC-10,757. And you could almost always find a flight nearly empty in those days for that added take-off drama! A light-weight aircraft on a short-leg----- bigthumbsup !

The kool thing about the MD-11 is that even with a pretty full load there is good take-off drama-----IMO a good indicator of the reserve power.

Maybe a trip on one of KL's birds would be more fun----I never saw a nasty KL interior. wink 
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:05 pm

Nice to see a few MD-11 threads pop up lately between this forum and tech/ops.

Quoting Coleplane (Reply 23):

Others who had placed orders but were not taken up for various reasons:

To add,

SAS
Dragonair
UTA
Aero Lloyd
ZAS
Air Europe
BA
BCal

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 26):

Well said.  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:27 pm

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 28):
I'm thinking there might have been a problem with one of the air packs or maybe the carrier is just trying to economize at the expense of pax comfort. I have also never been exposed to a 'Mighty Dawg" with a worn out interior-----I've been either spoiled or lucky I suppose!

It's possible, and it was the same aircraft (OH-LGF) for both the trip to Helsinki and back. I'm not doubting you though as when they closed the doors and the air packs started working the hot and humid cabin air caused the conditioned air entering the cabin to be visable in 5inch long vapour sheets.

Also the cabin wasn't so much worn out (some faded fabrics, panelling, fittings missing from seats etc) it's just the cabin design is really showing it's age. Given another 10yrs of anticipated service I would suggest a cabin refit in the style of a 777 would do absolute wonders to the feel of the aircraft...however no sane group would front the budget for such an expensive endeavour, and I'm also sympathetic to cabin design engineers.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 28):
747,DC-10,757. And you could almost always find a flight nearly empty in those days for that added take-off drama!

I was initially impressed with the 747's performance, but then I did back to back 757, DC-10 trips with Northwest  Smile. 757 was good (full pax), but the "Diesel Ten" was something else. When I think about it the rotate climb out of MSP may have felt just a bit better than the MD-11's. Wish I could remember my 727 trips...as for the 880....well I'm just a little envious there!

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 28):
Maybe a trip on one of KL's birds would be more fun----I never saw a nasty KL interior. wink

Yes....my next trip will be quite expensive and long (no doubt I'll feel like absolute crap at the end of it), but I may just plan to fly to Europe via China so I can try one of KLM's birds.
 
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:24 pm

Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 18):
wasent JU sopposed to be launch customer for MD-11 in Europe???

Yes.

Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 19):
I think you're right along with Air Europe (Mk 1, UK) and Minerve. None of which actually took delivery.

Minerve did order 3 + 1.

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 21):
Along with British Caledonian, AOM and Aerolloyd

B. Cal had an order for 3 + 6. AOM had 5 in order. For Aero Lloyd, see lower.

Quoting Coleplane (Reply 22):



Quoting Coleplane (Reply 23):
Air Zaire (had 2 on order)
China Southern (MoU for 6)
JAT (had 3 on order, +2 options)
Nigeria (had 1 on order)
VIASA (had 2 on order)

JAT finally had 4 + 1 (YU-AME/F/G/H)
VIASA had 2 + 1
For Nigeria, one source says 1 order, and another talk of two aircraft ordered.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 25):
I believe Air Europe was also a launch customer for a proposed MD-11 with Trent 700 engines, but in the end, they never even ordered it.

Air Europe has ordered the MD-11 with Trent 700 engines 6 + 12. But the airline went belly up in March 1991.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 29):
To add,

SAS
Dragonair
UTA
Aero Lloyd
ZAS
Air Europe
BA
BCal

SAS never placed an order for the MD-11. They ordered the B762/763 familly.
BA inherited the British Caledonian order but finally cancelled it. The first three aircraft went to American, allowing that airline to get some quicker than otherwise.
Dragonair may have been intterested for a while, but never placed an order; UTA went for the A340-300 and not for the MD-11; Aero Lloyd & ZAS Airline of Egypt were to lease aircraft from ADO finance with respectively 2 + 2 and 2 + 1.

Lets not forget an order for one aircraft from Zambia Airways.

One more detail. At the end of 1991, there were order for 359 aircraft, including options.

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Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:57 pm

Above I said that SK, Dragoanir and UTA have never ordered the MD-11, but I was wrong and TrijetsRMissed was indeed right in mentionning these airlines name as customers. As I dug deeper in my documentation after many years, I can say that the MD-11 programme was launched on December 30th, 1986 with orders and options for 92 aircraft from 12 customers: Alitalia, British Caledonian, FedEx, Korean, Swissair, Thai International, Varig, SAS, GPA, Mitsui, Dragonair plus an undisclosed one, that turned out to be UTA.

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Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:29 pm

Quoting BFS (Reply 20):
Lest we forget Aer Lingus!? It may not have been their own metal, but few aircraft ever looked as good as N272WA in the Aer Lingus colours!

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Sat Feb 03, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting Matell (Reply 30):
DC-10 trips with Northwest . 757 was good (full pax), but the "Diesel Ten" was something else.

Back in the late '70's many different carriers had been forced into competeing with Air Florida. It was crazy man! There were all kinds of different aircraft flying all kinds of short routes they had not been designed for----at bargain prices! Air Florida had seen the light (and switched to L-188's) after operating (pure-jet!) 707's between PIE-MIA----what a hoot----they were almost never full----of pax that is----(must have sucked some HUGE fuel loads though!).

Better yet----NW was using '10's between TPA-MIA and they were NEVER full, in the summer almost empty. I just can't begin to explain how fun it was to ROCKET out of MIA or TPA on one of those '10's. Better yet an equipment sub with a 747 and it was just ridiculous----blasting-off in just a few plane-lengths and going up like a red-tailed Space Shuttle!

I can remember an early '70's trip on a nearly empty NA 747 TPA-JFK (equipment sub?). Waiting on the "numbers" ready to launch to the north and we must have been cleared directly to FL40. Another "Space Shuttle" blast-off. I think we were 'bustin through FL2 crossing Hillsborough Blvd.! Yeee Hawww! I was sitting in the last row of F and had great "buzz-saw" 'goin on!

Going back to the mid-sixties in ATL, the "company" (DL) had 880's that got "jet-jockeyed" all over the place! OMG what a great time I had on those take-offs! Taking off towards the west, on a flight to the northeast, pivoting on the starboard wingtip, pulling some "g's" and making a tight u-turn to climb back right over the top of ATL headed east. On a slow afternoon (common at ATL in the '60's!) you could usually look down and see the black contrail-----that you had just created---still hanging in the air on your departure heading!
Very kool.

The absoloute Red-Tailed ROCKET champions  eyepopping  were the NW 720B's. OMG-----I used to get a real kick out of standing amongst a group of spectators up on the observation deck at ATL as we observed a line of aircraft making their take-offs. Some of those old county folks could make some hilarious comments. As soon as I saw a NW 720B join the line-up----I knew I was in for great entertainment! You would typically see a few old piston powered "windmills"----'6's or '440's struggle out and dissapear out over the horizon yawn ---- still at tree-top level.
Then here comes NW----breathing FIRE---- rolling a few plane-lengths and then going straight up untill by the time it was even with you, you had to crane your neck just to keep up with it! eyepopping  Lots of "ooooh-weeee's" 'goin on amongst the crowd!

Now, when PI first got their 727-100's (leased "c's" I think) they made sure the big boys took notice of their newly found rocket capabilities! (Of course the EA folks were doing the same thing!) I can remember quite a few of PI's 727's with ridiculous flight-deck angles rocketing out of ATL---also leaving quite a plume of black smoke!
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I know, I know, I digress----but those were great days! Smile
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:48 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 31):
BA inherited the British Caledonian order but finally cancelled it. The first three aircraft went to American, allowing that airline to get some quicker than otherwise.
Dragonair may have been intterested for a while, but never placed an order;

 checkmark  Like UA, BA was in favor of the 777 from the beginning.

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 32):
Above I said that SK, Dragoanir and UTA have never ordered the MD-11, but I was wrong and TrijetsRMissed was indeed right

Told ya.  wink  I believe these were all cancelled by 1988.
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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:02 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 7):
Along with that, MH and PR only operated the MD-11 under a wetlease from WO, so those MD-11s would only fly on a very short basis with them.

Malaysia Airlines at the time held a stake in WO - so in some ways did part own these MD11s and actually flew with MH for quite some time (roughly 1994-1997). They were most frequently seen at HKG.


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RE: Passenger Airlines With MD 11 In The Past

Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:43 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 35):
Told ya.

Yeah, I know! It's just that I hadn't read all "my papers" about it since years, so I lost it from sight...


Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 35):
I believe these were all cancelled by 1988.

Indeed.

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