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First Revenue Run AS 734C

Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:39 pm

Tomorrow is the day. There are currently two of the AS 737-400Cs at ANC. First revenue flight is to BET. Also a flight to ANC-FAI-SCC-BRW-FAI-ANC. Someone might wanna get some pics.

The story was released on NBC Local news here tonight, as soon as the broadcast is done they'll post a link on their web site: www.ktuu.com
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RE: First Revenue Run AS 734C

Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:54 pm

Aircraft 768 flying:

AS 152 ANC-OME-OTZ-ANC and then AS 146 ANC-SCC-BRW-FAI-ANC.

Exciting!

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RE: First Revenue Run AS 734C

Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:56 pm

will these ever drop down to SEA or is it AK only?

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RE: First Revenue Run AS 734C

Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:18 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 2):
will these ever drop down to SEA or is it AK only?

Word is they will be used exclusively in Alaska, taking over the routes from the 732Cs. That said, it was not unusual to see the occasional AS732 in SEA. Happened rather frequently in fact.

Edit to add:

Quoting RyDawg82 (Reply 4):
So perhaps they will head south in the summer to help supplement the freighter.

Particularly during "Salmon Season" when the fish are heading from ocean to dinner table in 24 hours.

[Edited 2007-02-02 05:50:11]
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RE: First Revenue Run AS 734C

Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:41 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 2):
will these ever drop down to SEA or is it AK only?

I know at one point last year (when they were expected to be online), there were some Southeast-SEA flights popping up in the summer months. So perhaps they will head south in the summer to help supplement the freighter.

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RE: First Revenue Run AS 734C

Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:59 pm

How soon to Dutch Harbor?
 
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RE: First Revenue Run AS 734C

Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:49 pm

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 5):
How soon to Dutch Harbor?

Never.

AS pulled out of DUT years ago, and the runway there at 3900 feet will not handle a 734.

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RE: First Revenue Run AS 734C

Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:59 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
AS pulled out of DUT years ago, and the runway there at 3900 feet will not handle a 734.

AS doesn't use their own metal to DUT; however, PenAir (KS) now operates the flights to DUT with Saab 340's. While KS is a codeshare partner of AS, this agreement is much different. The flights actually carry a AS flights number, use AS tickets/boarding cards, etc.

Spliting hairs, but...  Smile

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RE: First Revenue Run AS 734C

Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:31 pm

Quoting FLY777UAL (Reply 1):
AS 152 ANC-OME-OTZ-ANC

Thank god the -400combis are finally coming! I will have to bring my camera with me to work and see if I can snap a picture or two while shes in action. After having to suffer through the last month of BS excuses by the AS staff here in Nome about freight delays I'm glad to see they are putting the -400c into Nome first. I have a entire bag of bones to pick with Alaska Air Cargo right now!! I just hope things improve with these new planes!


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RE: First Revenue Run AS 734C

Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:54 pm

Quoting Roadrunner165 (Reply 8):
I will have to bring my camera with me to work

Are you back up in OME??? Good for you!!

Hopefully, you'll get one of the photos uploaded here . . . .
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RE: First Revenue Run AS 734C

Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:45 pm

Sorry but I just don't see how AS is going to be able to make money with these aircraft.

The fixed bulkhead is what is going to economicly kill this conversion.
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RE: First Revenue Run AS 734C

Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:54 pm

Quoting RyDawg82 (Reply 7):
AS doesn't use their own metal to DUT; however, PenAir (KS) now operates the flights to DUT with Saab 340's. While KS is a codeshare partner of AS, this agreement is much different. The flights actually carry a AS flights number, use AS tickets/boarding cards, etc.

Spliting hairs, but...

Yeah, KS sends a Saab out there.

I've been in/out of DUT on a C-130 a couple times, and that was hairy . . . I wouldn't want to do it in a 732 much less even dream of it in a 734.

There is NO margin for error.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
The fixed bulkhead is what is going to economicly kill this conversion.

It will be interesting to see what comes of this. I have to think AS studied long and hard about this.

Given the additional fuselage length, that allows for 72 Pax and I believe 4 igloos in front - at the same time - that's virtually double the space on any of the 732s . . .

I mean, put 72 pax on a 732C and you're limited to only 2 igloos, right? So the cargo capacity has virtually doubled.
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RE: First Revenue Run AS 734C

Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:05 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
Sorry but I just don't see how AS is going to be able to make money with these aircraft.

The fixed bulkhead is what is going to economicly kill this conversion.

It does more than the -200 and uses less fuel, how do you think this will be a looser?
 
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RE: First Revenue Run AS 734C

Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:11 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
I wouldn't want to do it in a 732 much less even dream of it in a 734.

I rode it in a 737 once, Markair no less.....I know what a carrier landing feels like.

When I rode in on the Metro where I used to work, it wasn't too bad. It was definately more interesting 2 hours later when we put the Metro into Nikolski.

And interesting for the town, It has been years since anything larger then a goose had landed on that 3000 feet of gravel.

Quoting Socalatc (Reply 12):
It does more than the -200

At max capacity you can put more people in the -200 the the -400 combi and more igloos also.

And you ended up giving up any sort of load flexibility to optimise the configuration of the aircraft.
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RE: First Revenue Run AS 734C

Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:46 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
At max capacity you can put more people in the -200 the the -400 combi and more igloos also.

And you ended up giving up any sort of load flexibility to optimise the configuration of the aircraft.

You may lose some flexibility throughout the day; however, overall this is a huge jump in capacity. Additionally, at the end of the day it comes down to "did the freight/pax make their destination?" Now having a fleet of RNP/Head-Up display aircraft running around out there, the completion rate should increase as the flights can land with higher minimums.

As far as capacity, here is just a made up (yet very typical) scenario:
Before (with -200QC):
ANC-OTZ-OME-ANC
2x daily (1 at 56 pax/3 igloos and 1 at 72 pax/2 igloos)

ANC-OME-OTZ-ANC
1x daily (1 at 72 pax/2 igloos)

Max total for 1 day: 200 pax / 7 igloos

Now (with -400C):
ANC-OTZ-OME-ANC
2x daily (2 at 72 pax/4 igloos each)

ANC-OME-OTZ-ANC
1x daily (1 at 72 pax/4 igloos)

Max total for 1 day: 216 pax / 12 igloos

Increases of:
108% pax
171% igloos

The only time that re-configuring the -200s became really critical was when weather went down. Lets just say for a minute that the weather was at the -400 minimums. The -200 would try the next stop, or come back to ANC. Then the rest of the day Ops and the Ticket Agents would scramble to get these folks north. A -200 would be changed to all seats (111 pax) and today's groceries, mail, newspapers would get bumped until who knows how long.

Additionally, if AS can pull the -400 freighter up off the southeast run, they can use this to supplement extra sections during peak loads. I can see this becoming a huge benefit come summer time when the afternoon flight turns to a -400 (all pax). That is an all around bearcat with ton's of freight and passengers. Run the pax on the all seater with a small amount of freight, and use the freighter to pick up the slack.

Sure AS is giving up some flexibility; however, you cannot tell me this isn't a smart investment on AS' part. Last, I am sure that the ramp, CSA's, and passengers will love finally having normal sized overhead bins. This to will free up much needed belly space for bulk loading.

-R

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RE: First Revenue Run AS 734C

Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:31 pm

I'm sure that Alaska will have no problem making money with the 400c. There is lots of cargo that needs to be moved in Alaska right now as everyone is gearing up for the busy summer season that is only a few short months away. If there is a lack of real crago, they can always fill up the plane with bypass mail. I agree with RyDawg82, having a standard 72 seat cabin has its drawbacks, but if a flight gets canceled it will be much easier to accommodate all the passengers on the next flight without sacrificing cargo loads.

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