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Cabin Pictures Of QF Boeing 707-138 From 1960

Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:23 am

So, you think flying today is bad? Remember the good old days fondly? Wish we could go back?

http://www.707.adastron.com/qantas/707-138-cabin.htm

Some rare colour photos of the F and Y cabin of the Qantas Boeing 707-138 from 1960 have just gone online.

I think everything is worse, except for the 40" pitch for Y and lounges for F.

What I like is how both emergency exits are in the F cabin because it goes back so far in the aeroplane. Check out the thing with the lights - back then, constellations, now mood LED lighting.

It's pretty cool to see though! Anyone else have some old interior pics to share?
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:05 am

Great pictures. I do remember flying for the first time in a B-707, in the 1960s. They were comfortable, and the Stewardest service was a lot better than today. No, IFE, though, unless you carried a magazine.
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:14 am

Thanks for sharing those pictures; ah, those wonderful first days of the jet age. Oh for a time warp!
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:25 am

I remember flying in QF 707s when I was young.

The 'moving map display' was a piece of pre-printed paper with the map printed on it and the route/present position marked in pencil! It was handed from seat to seat. I think I still have one lying around somewhere...

I also remember silver service, real food, no entertainment whatsoever, and people wearing their Sunday best to fly.

I'm tempted to say those were the days, but...
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Thread starter):
I think everything is worse, except for the 40" pitch for Y and lounges for F.

Boeing 707s were never configured at 40" pitch in Economy by any airline. The 40" pitch the article refers to is for First Class. Back in the day, Economy was configured at 34-35". Charter carriers gave you 32", and people complained about that pitch back then.

I remember flying the 707s as a child, and still remember the overhead lighting domes in the cabins at night.
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:59 am

Very nice to see those old photos.
I remember all the early jets as having large F sections.
It did not take too long, however, before the interiors got changed around and the lounges deleted.
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:07 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 4):
I remember flying the 707s as a child, and still remember the overhead lighting domes in the cabins at night.

Yes. I remember those lighting domes in the Air India 707s back in 1965. It was a really nice touch specially at night with other lights turned off. I have very fond memories of my first flight on an Air India 707 in the summer of 1965 from Delhi to London via Moscow. The interior looked surprisingly similar to the pictures of the QANTAS 707s.
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:17 am

Thanks for the link. I remember those open overheads...no bins! smile 
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:53 pm

Quoting COEWR787 (Reply 6):
The interior looked surprisingly similar to the pictures of the QANTAS 707s.

I suppose back then the interiors were all standardised seat wise and then the airline just chose colours and trim etc? I don't know...
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Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:03 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 8):
I suppose back then the interiors were all standardised seat wise and then the airline just chose colours and trim etc? I don't know...

To some degree yes. But I remember that TWA introduced some snazzy seats with plastic backs (much like what VS have in their Y cabins today), and many other airlines followed.

TWA was also the first to show films onboard. When I was a kid, my Dad worked for a big oil company and we - luckily - flew First Class whenever we travelled. I have photographs buried somewhere of us in a TWA 707 watching a Steve McQueen film. I also have this Air India brochure from 1969 showcasing the airline's 707s that I dug up from my Dad's library. Will scan it and post it in this thread.
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Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:10 am

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I remember those open overheads...no bins!

Yeah, I remember them too...from September 06 flying on this baby (or one of her sisters)!

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Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:29 am

Nice website - the 707 brochure that Qantas had was an interesting read.

I spoke to a flight attendant once who had worked for Northeast. Northeast was one of the first carriers to introduce a (leased) Boeing 707 into domestic U.S. service. (I can't find any record of Northeast operating the 707, but if she said so...anyone know for sure? Apparently it was leased from Pan Am or TW for a short period.).

At any rate, the senior flight attendants were apprehensive about flying the new, jet-powered 707, and refused to bid those trips...one reason was the "g-forces" on take-off, the speed and the high-altitude flight into atmosphere bombarded by solar radiation aged your skin. So, the junior flight attendants, of which she was one, were assigned on to the 707.

On one of the first 707 flights Northeast flew, she recalled how impressive the cabin was, and how excited passengers were as they boarded (from JFK to MIA). She was seated on the forward jumpseat, next to the boarding door. As the engines were started, she and the other flight attendant looked at each other in amazement...they had never heard that noise before!

Well, on take-off, prior to the doors sealing with pressurization, the noise turned into this "loud screaming". They could also feel the slight g-force of take-off, and remembering the fears of the senior flight attendants, they bent over with their heads between their knees so the skin on their faces wouldn't get pulled down to their chins.

Anyway, I thought it was funny, as we take jet travel so routinely nowadays that we tend to forget, at one point, it was a novelty.
 
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Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:45 am

Other ones from Saha:

http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/hall/6690/1-IRANEP-SHE707viewofseats.jpg




A small, but in color, pic of the Qantas interior:



And, two from the 707 restaurant in Tehran:



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Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 13):
Anyway, I thought it was funny, as we take jet travel so routinely nowadays that we tend to forget, at one point, it was a novelty.

I don't think it was so much a novelty, I think the word is "terrifying". There's an excellent book by Jay Koren, a career flight attendent about Pan Am who worked PA's first 707 flight to Paris in 1958, none of the cabin crew had done a fam trip in the bird so it was their first jet flight. He described the noise, acceleration and the length of the takeoff roll as being extremely unnerving.
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Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:01 am

I flew on one of TW's last 707 TATL flights and it had an ambiance that suggested a much earlier day in aviation but it still was more modern that these QF pics.

SR's 747s (300s) I believe had overhead bins that had netting on the top but were not fully enclosed.
 
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Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:18 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Thread starter):
Check out the thing with the lights - back then, constellations, now mood LED lighting.

Nowadays, in addition to the mood lighting, you can order a "night sky" overhead option with the stars simulated by individual fiber optic elements. It only simulates either the Northern or Southern hemisphere sky though and you have to pick the season as well.
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Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:30 am

Seeing these images, it's easy to see what a long way we've come since the early 1960s. I know this is hindsight, but those interior shots look quite plain; only a little bit fancier than a Greyhound bus...

Thank god for widebody jets, IFE, Airshow, and lie-flat beds with noise-canceling headphones, and inflight cuisine fit for royalty!

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Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 15):
I don't think it was so much a novelty, I think the word is "terrifying". There's an excellent book by Jay Koren, a career flight attendent about Pan Am who worked PA's first 707 flight to Paris in 1958, none of the cabin crew had done a fam trip in the bird so it was their first jet flight. He described the noise, acceleration and the length of the takeoff roll as being extremely unnerving.

Absolutely brilliant book! I bought a bunch of Pan Am books from The Flying Clippers web site - all of them excellent reads.

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 14):
A small, but in color, pic of the Qantas interior:

Is it a 338C then? Where did you find that? Just curious...
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Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:53 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 19):
Is it a 338C then? Where did you find that? Just curious...

Just googling "707 cabin/interiors/inside/" etc. You caught my interest with this thread..  Wink
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Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:45 pm

http://www.707.adastron.com/gallery/vh-eba-21.jpg

A classic from back in the day. Kudos to the webmasters! I wish there was a detailed early DC-8 site with cabin pics (classic 8's with the curtains and Palomar seats please!) bouncy 
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Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:46 pm

Quoting Flyboyseven (Reply 22):
Look at all the pillows

Well Said, Graham  Wink

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Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:04 pm

Quoting Flyboyseven (Reply 22):
Look at all the pillows

Ah, you just beat me to it  Smile Yeah yeah, aren't we all fancy today, but we can't seem to manage anything as basic as a nice decent clean fat pillow for free anymore.
 
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Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:15 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 4):
Quoting ClassicLover (Thread starter):
I think everything is worse, except for the 40" pitch for Y and lounges for F.

Boeing 707s were never configured at 40" pitch in Economy by any airline. The 40" pitch the article refers to is for First Class. Back in the day, Economy was configured at 34-35".

I recall someone posting once that Trans-Canada had 40" pitch in both coach and first on their DC-8s (to line up the seats with the windows), and the ad linked below shows CO's early 707s fitted with only 48 seats in first and 62 in coach. The pitch had to be fairly substantial in coach as well, but obviously this wasn't the industry standard.

http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%2...ntal%20Compressed/CO5904insert.jpg
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Wow! TV on the plane back in 1960? Back then they didn't have satellite feeds, wasn't everything kinescope and old time reel to reel? So, if the Golden Jet took off from Chi-town on it's way to Hollywood wouldn't the jet have to pass over towns with TV stations? Very interesting to say the least!

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 25):
The pitch had to be fairly substantial in coach as well, but obviously this wasn't the industry standard


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Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:34 pm

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 26):
So, if the Golden Jet took off from Chi-town on it's way to Hollywood wouldn't the jet have to pass over towns with TV stations? Very interesting to say the least!

I don't know how they did it on 707s, but DC-10s were live TV capable. I flew LAX-BOS on Super Bowl Sunday once and they just kept picking up a new station as we flew across the country as the reception faded. I also vaguely recall watching the Today Show a couple of times while boarding an early morning flight.
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Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:36 pm

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 14):


On the photo of the restaurant 707 it reminds me of travel on RAF Britannias which had the back to back seat layouts as a child it had me confused as I wondered why the plane flew backwards.
 
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Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 21):
I wish there was a detailed early DC-8 site with cabin pics (classic 8's with the curtains and Palomar seats please!)

Wouldn't that be nice. I have heard stories from the early DC-8 days with AC and CP and my father had experience on them. The Palomar seats had the reading lights over the shoulder. They had fluorescent bulbs in them which would flicker when you turned them on. Then there was a torrent of light for your reading pleasure, but not for the pleasure of the guy sitting next to you who wanted to sleep!

Now back to the 707.
 
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Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:32 am

Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 29):
The Palomar seats had the reading lights over the shoulder. They had fluorescent bulbs in them which would flicker when you turned them on. Then there was a torrent of light for your reading pleasure, but not for the pleasure of the guy sitting next to you who wanted to sleep!

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Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 29):
The Palomar seats had the reading lights over the shoulder. They had fluorescent bulbs in them which would flicker when you turned them on. Then there was a torrent of light for your reading pleasure, but not for the pleasure of the guy sitting next to you who wanted to sleep!

LOL! For some reason the mental image I have is of a flourescent light (as in ones on the roof) hanging over the side of the seat as your "personal reading light".

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 30):
Oh god I love old jets SO MUCH!!

Me too!
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:44 pm

Gotta love the old jets! Unfortunately, I never got to ride on the Qantas 707. In 1966, I was 16 at the time, they still operated it into Vancouver, via HNL and SFO. I was going over to HNL with my brother during Spring Break, to meet my parents. We couldn't get a nonstop flight on Canadian Pacific (eventually CPAir), we were waitlisted on that flight and confirmed in F-Class on Qantas via SFO! I kept praying that the waitlist on Canadian Pacific wouldn't clear, and we would get F on Qantas. Never happened, though, and ended up in Y on CP. No complaints, but that would have been one flight I would remember forever. In those days, the CP DC8's had the palomar seats, and were spacious. The meals and inflight service were incredible also. Have to say, those were my favourite days of flying. No need for inflight entertainment, the excitement of getting from A to B was good enough. Arriving at HNL late at night in those days was
exciting. Being the crossroads of the Pacific even then, the amount of traffic was amazing.
Thanks for the pics and the links. Incredibly iteresting!
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:22 pm

In the AS 707 pic in reply 30 (above), there seems to be something between each of the passenger service units.

Can anyone tell me what they are??

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Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:14 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 27):
but DC-10s were live TV capable

Yep, there's already a VHF antenna on the plane, just has to be used to pick up VHF TV channels as well. AA would routinely show football on Sundays in my experience. I remember watching a few football games on DFW-EWR flights on DC-10s as a kid.

I also remember in the movie Die Hard 2, the flight with McClain's wife was watching live TV as well (the Simpsons where they go to Dr. Marvin Monroe and shock each other). Wasn't a DC10 and wasn't reality, but it was based on the reality of writer/director having watched TV on planes...
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Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:18 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 31):
LOL! For some reason the mental image I have is of a flourescent light (as in ones on the roof) hanging over the side of the seat as your "personal reading light".

At the moment I can't locate a pic, but of course that reading light was in a little rectangular box at the same height as the headrest. And yes, it had a little fluorescent bulb in it apparently. The box containing the light had a clear plastic front 'lens' and little venetian blind-like things in them, presumably to direct the beam. But still, I hear it was like a floodlight.
 
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Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 35):
At the moment I can't locate a pic, but of course that reading light was in a little rectangular box at the same height as the headrest. And yes, it had a little fluorescent bulb in it apparently. The box containing the light had a clear plastic front 'lens' and little venetian blind-like things in them, presumably to direct the beam. But still, I hear it was like a floodlight.

Here I come to save the day. Not the greatest closeups but, still those old pictures and memories. I remember flying on 2 8's with the "Palomar Seats"
and those over shoulder built in to the seat back they indeed flickered when turned on but boy did they illuminate the area. Interestingly enough in the seatback with the tray table

The light is to the right of the old business dude's head.



Again, the light is to the right of the old lady with the hat in this sketch.

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For some reason old pics on A-Net of 8 interiors were shot behind the seats!
The last A-Net pic posted I believe are still "Palomar Seats." But, UA altered them by removing the flourescant lights and replaced them with audio/headphone jacks. Those must have been dark interior cabins.
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:42 am

Thanks ZippyJet.

I think the UA pic shows non-Palomar seats with the audio in the headrest (from the days when UA countered TWA's Flower Power Twin Seat and AA's 'widebody look' 707s with 5-across in coach) , but they were similar to the Palomars that did get the treatment.

According to brochures I have, that little recessed panel in the back of the seats contained an air vent, plus a little lamp which would illuminate your tray table. The center seat had a call button as well. Also, the O2 masks were stored in a compartment in the center seat in coach, aisle in F Class.

I spoke with a Delta F/A from back in the day and she said that coach passengers were always griping about how stiff-backed the Palomar seats were, but they did have character.

The EA relic shown above is incredible, with the remnants of the Golden Falcon metal above the windows. I can just hear all the New Jersey accents that must have graced the cabin ... "hey Charlie, when do we land in Lauderdale"?
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:21 am

Those were the days! Service back then on board was way ahead of what it is today, seems like things have regressed backwards in that regards.

Does anyone know if there are any good sites of pictures of 1970's vintage of 747 interiors?
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 37):
I think the UA pic shows non-Palomar seats with the audio in the headrest (from the days when UA countered TWA's Flower Power Twin Seat and AA's 'widebody look' 707s with 5-across in coach) , but they were similar to the Palomars that did get the treatment.

Your welcome!  bigthumbsup  Now, I'm an old enough fossil that I remember in beautiful rabbit eared black and white in the early to mid 60's UA had a corny add campaign Take Me Alongprobably sung by the Lennon Sisters, or the Ray Connif Singers. I remember the 8's had the curtains and Palomar seats. I remember seeing these hoaky spots on Flipper, I Dream Of Jeanie, Get Smart and other 60's TV fare. This campaign was around 1964-1966 which was prior to the 8's with the updated ugly pedestrian cabin interiors.

Quoting Skyguy (Reply 38):
Does anyone know if there are any good sites of pictures of 1970's vintage of 747 interiors?

http://www.airchive.com/SITE%20PAGES/MEM-BOEING.html

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Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:12 am

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 13):
I spoke to a flight attendant once who had worked for Northeast. Northeast was one of the first carriers to introduce a (leased) Boeing 707 into domestic U.S. service. (I can't find any record of Northeast operating the 707, but if she said so...anyone know for sure? Apparently it was leased from Pan Am or TW for a short period.).

Northeast was the 5th US carrier to operate the B707 domestically:

10 Dec 1958 National (aircraft lsd from Pan American)
25 Jan 1959 American
20 Mar 1959 TWA
8 Jun 1959 Continental
17 Dec 1959 Northeast (leased from TWA)

Northeast was the 7th domestic jet operator in the US, United and Delta both started DC8 service on September 18 1959.

No particular aircraft were assigned to the lease arrangement (the same situation pertained with the National/Pan American arrangement) and the arrangement finished in December 1960 when specific TWA CV880s were taken on lease.
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:54 am

I love these pictures, takes me back to my stewardess days on the 707!
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:35 pm

Quoting HB88 (Reply 3):
The 'moving map display' was a piece of pre-printed paper with the map printed on it and the route/present position marked in pencil! It was handed from seat to seat. I think I still have one lying around somewhere...

that means that every now and then F/A's would come with these pieces of paper and handing them to passengers to show where the a/c was flying over ?
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RE: Cabin Pictures Of QF Boeing 707-138 From 1960

Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:49 am

Thank you and pass the tissue....I started my flying adventure on BOAC 707's inthe late 60's between YUL and Manchester....great memories....but don't we all now gripe when there is movie or soundtracks don't work...how spoiled we have become...
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