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Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:15 pm

Didn't know it was a Beechcraft Bonanza, thought it was DC-3!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...ruary/3/newsid_2802000/2802541.stm
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:07 am

Quoting Cumulus (Thread starter):
Didn't know it was a Beechcraft Bonanza

Yep, just remember back during those days, the Bonanza was the slickest way to travel.  Wink
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:08 am

"A long long time ago, I could still remember how that music used to make me smile."

"February made me shiver, with every paper I delivered. 'Bad news on the door step,' I couldn't take one more step. I can't remeber if I cried when I read about his widdowed bride, but something touched me deep inside the day the music died."

-Don McClain, 1971

That first verse is downright bone chilling. Buddy Holly was, and forever will be, known as one of the greats of Rock and Roll.

I can't believe that if it wasn't for that bus, the plane ride to certain doom would have never occurred... I can't remember if the crash was due to bad weather, or with something to do with the pilot, but I do know that everyone died in that crash, including Richey Vallins and the Big Bopper, as well as the Pilot.
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:33 am

The crash was during a snow storm. The pilot got disoriented in whiteout conditions.

The group, including Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and The Big Bopper had played the Surf Ballroom in Clear Lake, IA and was scheduled to play an engagement in Fargo, ND. The heater on the bus was malfunctioning, and like any other February drive through Minnesota, that would be miserable without heat (as an example, it's -8°F with a -31°F windchill in Minneapolis today). In fact, one of the members of the band was treated for severe frostbite to the feet from riding on the cold bus with no heat.

The plane crashed shortly after takeoff, about 8 mi. north of Clear Lake. There is even a crash report:

http://www.fiftiesweb.com/cab.htm
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:42 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 2):
That first verse is downright bone chilling. Buddy Holly was, and forever will be, known as one of the greats of Rock and Roll.

Love his music, most today would not even have heard of him. But he was great. I also thought it was a DC3. He and others like were the inspiration for the Beatles, what great music came out of that time
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:05 am

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 3):
The group, including Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and The Big Bopper

A young Waylon Jennings gave up his seat to the Big Bopper so the ill Bopper would have heat to travel in. According to Wiki, as they parted the Bopper jokingly wished that Jennings' bus would freeze up, while Jennings jokingly responed that he hoped the plane would crash. Jennings reportedly was haunted by his words for years.

BTW, those thinking about a DC-3 might have Rick Nelson in mind.
 
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:09 am

I think everyone who thought it was a DC-3 was confusing it with another music legend tragedy, Ricky Nelson. The DC-3 he and his band were travelling in caught fire and crashed, killing all aboard. Ironically, the last song he played before his death was Buddy Holly's "Rave On."

The moral to this story: If you are a musician or in any way famous, don't fly.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Nelson



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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 6):
The moral to this story: If you are a musician or in any way famous, don't fly.

Wow, have you been in a closet the last 40 years or so? Big grin Almost all musicians and stars fly in planes now.  Wink

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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:52 pm

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 6):

The moral to this story: If you are a musician or in any way famous, don't fly.

Patsy Cline and Jim Reeves should have listened to you....and all the others who need to take a private plane to reach the next gig.
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:11 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
Patsy Cline and Jim Reeves should have listened to you....

How about Lynyrd Skynyrd? I believe half of their group perished when their plane ran out of gas and crashed in a cornfield in 1976
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:39 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 9):
How about Lynyrd Skynyrd? I

and Reba McEntire's band after a show in SAN..... it's a long list.
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:52 am

and Otis Redding  Sad
 
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:05 am

Then there's Stevie Ray Vaughan, Aaliyah, John Denver, Randy Rhoads, and Otis Redding.

I think that the rest of them.

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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:06 am

One more... Will Rogers.

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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:10 am

So what all does this say about musicians and their chartered aircraft? They seem to all notoriously perish in crashes. Is there something that ties this all together or is it just a lot of really bad coincidences? Is this statistically in line or anomalous? Of course I would imagine one thing that sets a band apart from other passengers is the amount of heavy gear to transport. Pilots or other people could be "starstruck" and in order to please these people and get them to their next show, fudge the numbers a little bit... I'm not saying that is proper or acceptable, but possible. Any ideas?
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 12):
Aaliyah,

Oh yeah, forgot about her back in 2001. Her learjet went down in the Bahamas.
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 9):
How about Lynyrd Skynyrd? I believe half of their group perished when their plane ran out of gas and crashed in a cornfield in 1976

It was 1977...and the reason I absolutely know that is because it happened on my birthday.


Didn't Glenn Miller perish in a plane crash?
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 16):
Didn't Glenn Miller perish in a plane crash?

Dunno. His airplane and body were never found. I think he's with Amelia Earhart somewhere in the Delta Quadrant.

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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 16):
It was 1977...

At least I was in the ballpark. So I was off by a year... oops
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:18 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 15):
Oh yeah, forgot about her back in 2001. Her learjet went down in the Bahamas.

Actually it was a Cessna 402. The pilot was unqualified -apparently he falsified a bunch of hours. During an autopsy, they found cocaine and alcohol in the pilot's blood. And the aircraft was severely overweight and off-balance. There is a writeup of it in Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaliyah#Death
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:19 am

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 14):
So what all does this say about musicians and their chartered aircraft? They seem to all notoriously perish in crashes. Is there something that ties this all together or is it just a lot of really bad coincidences? Is this statistically in line or anomalous? Of course I would imagine one thing that sets a band apart from other passengers is the amount of heavy gear to transport. Pilots or other people could be "starstruck" and in order to please these people and get them to their next show, fudge the numbers a little bit... I'm not saying that is proper or acceptable, but possible. Any ideas?

There's a consistent thread of incompetent cheeseball charter operators in this mix. The music celeb aircraft I've been on were junker deathmobiles with lousy equipment, and the end of their useful lives. Elvis' Convair 880 was a piece of junk.

The pilot who got Buddy killed wasn't rated for IFR. The plane Nelson died on had a Janitrol heater fire.

Steeler83, Aaliyah's plane not only was not a Learjet, it was a grossly overloaded dirtbag of a C402 and the pilot was under charges for cocaine possession. That was not an accident, it was an out and out homicide.

Here's a site with some interesting information on celeb plane crashes.

http://www.check-six.com/lib/Famous_...issing/Celebrity_Plane_Crashes.htm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 15):
Oh yeah, forgot about her back in 2001. Her learjet went down in the Bahamas.
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RE: Buddy Holly Dies In Plane Crash This Day 1959

Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:26 am

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 14):
So what all does this say about musicians and their chartered aircraft? They seem to all notoriously perish in crashes. Is there something that ties this all together or is it just a lot of really bad coincidences

It doesn't say anything. Some of us just remember the anniversary of the death of one of the greatest stylists in music. As things go, that leads to other musicians who also died in plane crashes. Stastically, musicians have no greater risk of dying in plane crashes than other groups with similar travel patterns.
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