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State Of Hawaii Private Jet

Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:00 pm


Bill would buy state a $1.9M private jet

A hearing is scheduled for Wednesday on the proposal introduced by Sen. Hanabusa

By Alexandre Da Silva

A bill to be considered by the Legislature would set aside $1.9 million in taxpayer money for the state to buy an aircraft for official business.

State Sen. J. Kalani English, chairman of the transportation committee, said he will hold a hearing on Senate Bill 1977 Wednesday to see whether buying a plane would save the state money.

As a neighbor island senator, he said he understands the hardships and costs of travel.

The bill, which notes that many other states already own aircraft, calls for the state Department of Transportation to buy and maintain the plane "to be used by the governor, state executives, and other officers" for state business and disaster relief purposes.

"Given the state of Hawaii's location in the middle of the Pacific Ocean at some distance from mainland states, a state-owned aircraft would be particularly useful and economical," it reads.

English said he put the bill on Wednesday's agenda because he thought it was part of the Lingle administration's legislative package.

But Linda Smith, Lingle's senior policy adviser, said the bill is not from the governor's office.

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But the state might also be able to bid on the Alaska governor's jet. It's going on sale on eBay tomorrow. (eBay Auction)

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RE: State Of Hawaii Private Jet

Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:10 pm

wouldn't they need an aircraft that has at least a good range? In this case, i think they should opt for a bit more to set aside. A second-hand BBJ would be excellent or even a Gulfstream IV/SP
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RE: State Of Hawaii Private Jet

Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:56 pm

I personally am against our state owning a private jet. I believe that our collected money should be spent on our collective interests, i.e. purchase tix on HA, AQ, WP, and LW like the rest of us, and support our local businesses!!!

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RE: State Of Hawaii Private Jet

Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:07 am

The Alaska airplane for sale, isn't that the Westwind they just bought last year?

Quoting Bimmerkid19 (Reply 1):
wouldn't they need an aircraft that has at least a good range? In this case, i think they should opt for a bit more to set aside. A second-hand BBJ would be excellent or even a Gulfstream IV/SP

I agree, a Westwind would only be good for island hoping. It would not be good for flights to/from the lower 48. That is because when it leaves California for Hawaii, it does not have the required fuel reserves to fly for 6 hours to Hawaii, then be able to hold for an additional 2 hours. IIRC, that is the required FAA fuel reserve for island destinations. Flying to California from Hawaii would not be a problem.
 
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RE: State Of Hawaii Private Jet

Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:07 am

Quoting Bimmerkid19 (Reply 1):
wouldn't they need an aircraft that has at least a good range?

If they want to use it for trips to the mainland. If they're looking at using it just for inter-island flying, then a short range turboprop is likely their best option.
 
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RE: State Of Hawaii Private Jet

Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
The Alaska airplane for sale, isn't that the Westwind they just bought last year?

Yes, same aircraft. Our former Gov had the Department of Public Safety buy it. He got tired of the King Air. Said he wanted a "real toilet". That no kidding - that's nearly a quote. Also some horsehockey about being able to move prisoners faster, blah, blah.

Hawaii, you can have the thing. No one wanted it here. It can't land at a majority of the airports in Bush Alaska - unpaved and too short. It was a status symbol for that loser we voted out of office (2nd least popular Gov in the nation, got whipped like a dog in Primaries).

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RE: State Of Hawaii Private Jet

Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:03 am

My Thoughts-

Hawaii business relies on interisland airlines. Not the most cost/time efficient. Add the time and cost of parking, security, time in terminal, and security of state property nearly doubles and triples the actual flight time. It is great to study the cost savings of highly paid state employees to see how the State could utilize an aircraft. Also note that air travel is non-existant after 9pm(ish) and before 5am with-in the islands.

As stated in the article, a Cessna Caravan, pc-12, or King Air would be an ideal solution to by-pass the hassles of commerical air travel and save time. Maybe the state could enter into a charter agreement with pacific wings or mokulele air and just charter/add an aircraft to their certificates (both currently operate C-208s).

If they looked into larger aircraft to the mainland, they have to look into a Hawker 800 xp (currently used by Air Med to transport patients from HNL-California), Falcon 50ex or similar aircraft. Also note-
Island Air does offer charters on a Challenger 601 for this purpose.
 
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RE: State Of Hawaii Private Jet

Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:00 pm

AirMed's Hawkers are actually API wingleted 800As and not XPs. $1.9 isn't going to get you a lot of airplane. We've taken our 800A from MRY to KOA safely, landing with over 45 minute reserves but that's under FAR-91. Its really not the airplane for it.
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RE: State Of Hawaii Private Jet

Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:16 pm

Only $1.9 Million, what are the people fussing about, that's a steal provided the jet is in good condition and ready to fly. May they'll order a VLJ because for $1.9 you can't buy anything with HNL to Mainland range anyhow. Who the heck still wants a Westwind, they're nightmares. Fuel hungry engines and lots of maintenance and the performance isn't the best.
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hawaiian717
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RE: State Of Hawaii Private Jet

Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:48 pm

I don't really see the advantage. Flights are frequent enough that during the day it's not going to be a big delay waiting for the next flight. And with Go's loads, if nothing else they've probably got room. (Sorry, can't resist the opportunity to take a cheap shot at them.) I'm thinking a better approach would be to reach an agreement with someone to provide a charter operation for the rare times when scheduled service won't cut it. How often does a state official need to go to an outer island in the middle of the night, anyway?
 
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RE: State Of Hawaii Private Jet

Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:39 pm

Thanks for the correction falcon.

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 9):
How often does a state official need to go to an outer island in the middle of the night, anyway?

--I think that is what they mean by "disaster relief purposes." ahhh, dont you love marketing.
 
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RE: State Of Hawaii Private Jet

Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:20 am

Quoting Penguinflies (Reply 10):

The State of Minnesota owns a Cessna Citation 550 and one or two King Airs to transport high-level officials around the country... while the Citation 550 is mainly used for the Governor and Lt. Governor.
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hawaiian717
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RE: State Of Hawaii Private Jet

Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:04 pm

Quoting Penguinflies (Reply 10):
I think that is what they mean by "disaster relief purposes."

I still don't think that's needed. If something happens, the first responders are already on each island, having government officials there before the morning flights I really don't think would help.
 
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RE: State Of Hawaii Private Jet

Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:10 pm

State lawmakers killed the bill about 30 minutes ago.

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