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Q-400's For CO In EWR

Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:11 am

Continental Airlines Selects Pinnacle Airlines and Bombardier Q400 Aircraft for Newark-Based Regional Service
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NEW YORK, Feb. 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL) today announced that it has selected a new regional airline partner and a new type of turboprop aircraft to operate as Continental Connection from its New York hub at Newark Liberty International Airport.

Colgan Air Inc., a subsidiary of Pinnacle Airlines Corp., will operate efficient, quiet and comfortable 74-seat Bombardier Q400 twin-turboprop aircraft on short and medium-distance routes from Liberty starting in early 2008.

"Pinnacle Airlines Corp. and its subsidiary Colgan have the high standards that we expect from our Continental Connection service," said Mark Erwin, Continental's senior vice president of corporate development. "Our selection of the Q400 aircraft is an important move for us because it addresses our need for efficiency without sacrificing our customers' comfort, and because it is well-suited to the unique operating environment at Newark Liberty."

Continental has entered into a 10-year capacity-purchase agreement with Pinnacle Airlines Corp. The company will acquire 15 new Q400 aircraft which it will operate as Continental Connection through its Colgan subsidiary. Continental will schedule and market the service.

The Q400 Aircraft

Manufactured by Bombardier Aerospace, the Q400 is a high-efficiency, modern-technology turboprop, which will be configured with 74 seats in a single cabin. With a maximum cruise speed of 440 mph, the Q400 can keep pace with traffic flows into and out of busy metropolitan airports like Newark Liberty. Passenger comfort will be enhanced by the Q400's state-of-the-art noise and vibration suppression system.

Pinnacle Airlines

Pinnacle Airlines Corp., a publicly traded holding company, is the parent company of Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and Colgan Air, Inc. Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. operates 135 Bombardier CRJ-200 Regional Jets in the United States and Canada as a Northwest Airlink carrier. Colgan Air, Inc. operates as Continental Connection, United Express and US Airways Express with a fleet of 39 Saab 340 and 11 Beech 1900 turbo-prop regional aircraft.

Continental Airlines

Continental Airlines is the world's fifth largest airline. Continental, together with Continental Express and Continental Connection, has more than 3,100 daily departures throughout the Americas, Europe and Asia, serving 150 domestic and 136 international destinations. More than 400 additional points are served via SkyTeam alliance airlines. With more than 44,000 employees, Continental has hubs serving New York, Houston, Cleveland and Guam, and together with Continental Express, carries approximately 67 million passengers per year. Continental consistently earns awards and critical acclaim for both its operation and its corporate culture.

In 2006, Continental Airlines won its sixth J.D. Power and Associates award since 1996. The carrier received the highest rank in customer satisfaction among network carriers in North America in the J.D. Power and Associates 2006 Airline Satisfaction Index Survey(SM). For the third consecutive year, FORTUNE magazine named Continental the No. 1 Most Admired Global Airline on its 2006 list of Most Admired Global Companies. Continental was also named the No. 1 airline on the publication's 2006 America's Most Admired airline industry list. Additionally, Continental again won major awards at the OAG Airline of the Year Awards including "Best Airline Based in North America" for the third year in a row, and "Best Executive/Business Class" for the fourth consecutive year. For more company information, visit continental.com .

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RE: Q-400's For CO In EWR

Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:28 am

Cool. The Q400 has really been making some noise around the North American Airlines. These are horribly comfortable birds, I have flown on them with QX a few times. Great news for both CO and Pinnacle.
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:31 am

I hope we see some in CLE, they are very cool looking!
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:35 am

At 74 seat capacity and medium range, one would think CO would put in an F section, but I assume they will just continue to expand their Y only product like they have with long range ERJ flights and annoy more Platinum Elites...  Wink
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:00 am

Are these aircraft able to utilize jetways?..or do they have to use portable stairs?
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:02 am

I cant wait to see Q400's in CO's livery. They have to better to fly on than ERJ's! Now, if we could just have some E170's please, with a first class cabin!
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:09 am

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 5):
I cant wait to see Q400's in CO's livery. They have to better to fly on than ERJ's! Now, if we could just have some E170's please, with a first class

Just not as fast as an ERJ
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 6):
Just not as fast as an ERJ

On routes under 500 nm, Q400 block time point-to-point is just as fast as ERJ, maybe faster. That's one of the main selling points; just as fast as the jets, but at half the fuel burn. I think you'll see more Q400 sales (and ATRs) as airlines embrace the cost-savings. And if their marketing departments are smart, they'll promote them as "global warming" fighters.
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:56 am

I can see from EWR Q-400s to:

Albany, Baltimore, Hartford, Providence, Philadelphia, Washington Dulles, Syracuse.

With the return of props to EWR hopefully they will bring back Summer flights to Martha's Vineyard, they still offer Nantucket flights with ERJs during the Summer.

Other former COEX prop routes I would like to see brought back:

Atlantic City, Islip, Harrisburg.
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:53 am

Courtesy: Houston Business Journal

Continental Chooses Colgan Air To Fly EWR Regional Routes

http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/070205/1413131.html?.v=2
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 7):
. And if their marketing departments are smart, they'll promote them as "global warming" fighters.

If they're smart, they won't. "We operate 500 aircraft,and 15 of them are good for the environment. The other 485 are busy melting glaciers."

At least that would be the inference.  Smile

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Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:34 am

wouldnt they have the same problems (operating wise) as American Eagle did with their ATRs?
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 4):
Are these aircraft able to utilize jetways?..or do they have to use portable stairs?

The Dash-4's and Dash-8's can use a modified jetbridge. The CRJ's have fold out stairs and they use jetbridges. QX only has 4 jetbridges in PDX which they share with AS, so they board most of their planes on the ramp using the stairs.
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RE: Q-400's For CO In EWR

Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 10):
If they're smart, they won't. "We operate 500 aircraft,and 15 of them are good for the environment. The other 485 are busy melting glaciers."

Good point. But hey, you gotta start somewhere.
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 2):
I hope we see some in CLE, they are very cool looking!

A good bet, I would think. We have lots of markets that could use that much capacity: BDL, PVD, ALB, STL, MCI, ATL, ORD. Would be perfect for those routes.
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RE: Q-400's For CO In EWR

Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:10 am

cna these birds handle live animals??
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:24 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 15):
cna these birds handle live animals??

OK, I'll bite. What did you have in mind? Airborne cattle car? 50,000 chickens in cages? Or fido/mittens in a box?
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:45 am

no no............such as live animals in the cargo hold. we dont carry live animals on the RJ, but since the SF3 has beenflying out of IAH lately we have been carrying additional animals out of cities that used to only have RJ service. this is a small increase in revenue that may be possible if we can carry these animals on these birds.
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:10 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 7):
Quoting CLE757 (Reply 6):
Just not as fast as an ERJ

On routes under 500 nm, Q400 block time point-to-point is just as fast as ERJ, maybe faster. That's one of the main selling points; just as fast as the jets, but at half the fuel burn. I think you'll see more Q400 sales (and ATRs) as airlines embrace the cost-savings. And if their marketing departments are smart, they'll promote them as "global warming" fighters.

Horizon actually pitted a CRJ-700 vs a Q400 on the PDX-SEA run one day. The Dash beat the CRJ by about 5 minutes.
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:15 am

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 11):
wouldnt they have the same problems (operating wise) as American Eagle did with their ATRs?

Nah - CO used to fly dozens of ATR flights each day out of EWR to points north in the winter back in the 1990s and didn't lose a single plane. And some of those markets get pretty nasty in the winter (i.e. SYR).
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:45 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
I can see from EWR Q-400s to:

Albany, Baltimore, Hartford, Providence, Philadelphia, Washington Dulles, Syracuse.

With the return of props to EWR hopefully they will bring back Summer flights to Martha's Vineyard, they still offer Nantucket flights with ERJs during the Summer.

I for one will be glad to see them flying EWR - PVD, hopefully with an increase in frequency. Now if only Air Canada (Air Georgian, or hopefully JAZZ) could get something a little bigger than a Beech 1900 on the YYZ - PVD flight............
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:55 am

Was wondering, if these turboprops are so great and efficient, why don't more airlines use them?
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:03 pm

Quoting L1011buff (Reply 21):
why don't more airlines use them?

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Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:17 pm

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 11):
wouldnt they have the same problems (operating wise) as American Eagle did with their ATRs?

No, NW Airlink used to fly Dash 8-100's out of MSP. CX flys them in the Pacific Northwest. I also once flew a Dash from Anchorage to Valdez. It shouldn't be a problem.
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:26 pm

Quoting ZschocheImages (Reply 23):
CX flys them

Who did you mean? CX is Cathay Pacific.

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 11):
wouldnt they have the same problems (operating wise) as American Eagle did with their ATRs?

What were those? I am unaware. Guessing by

Quoting ZschocheImages (Reply 23):
No, NW Airlink used to fly Dash 8-100's out of MSP. CX flys them in the Pacific Northwest.

it was cold weather ops?
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:33 pm

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 24):
Who did you mean? CX is Cathay Pacific.

My bad, QX.

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 24):
it was cold weather ops?

Yeah, I can't remember for sure but I think it had to do with icing problems. That's why they moved all of them to Carib Ops.
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:40 pm

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 24):
Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 11):wouldnt they have the same problems (operating wise) as American Eagle did with their ATRs?

What were those? I am unaware.

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Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:41 pm

Quoting ZschocheImages (Reply 25):

Yeah, I can't remember for sure but I think it had to do with icing problems.

That's right!!!  yes  Yeah de-icing boot on the leading edges sucked.
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:17 pm

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 4):
Are these aircraft able to utilize jetways?..or do they have to use portable stairs?

The DH4 is definitely jetway compatible. It works similarly to using the CRJ with a jetway. Occasionally, QX uses the jetway at BIL to board the Q400
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:03 pm

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 27):
That's right!!!    Yeah de-icing boot on the leading edges sucked.

The ATR de-icing issue was fixed. I don't think the Dash 8s ever had the same problem. A plane designed and built in Canada should be able to handle winter weather.
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:19 pm

I have said in the past, and finally it is announced.

The Q400 will look fantasic in CO scheme.
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RE: Q-400's For CO In EWR

Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:04 pm

Quoting L1011buff (Reply 21):
Was wondering, if these turboprops are so great and efficient, why don't more airlines use them?

Well, the models are relatively new, and airlines are adding them all over the place as the RJs get old. Airlines invested a lot in RJs, and when fuel was cheap, they were good jets. Now that fuel cost more, combined with the new efficiencies of the Q series, airlines are starting to dumb RJs on routes they aren't best for. CO is no exception.

The world isn't as cut and dry as "this is the best, so everyone should start using it tomorrow." In a business with huge capital investment costs, change happens more slowly.
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RE: Q-400's For CO In EWR

Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:36 pm

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 17):
such as live animals in the cargo hold

They handle live animals in both the forward and aft pits just fine...we send pets in them with no problem

As far as I know they work fine with jetbridges. In PDX we board them all from the ground, but I've heard of them using jetbridges in Canada a lot.

Personally I love the -400. They can carry a lot, both in pax and in cargo, they're nice flying aircraft from a pilots perspective, and do just awesome in winter weather. Rather comfortable to fly on...just don't sit in the last row if you're prone to motion sickness; they have a tendency to twist a bit in flight. Only drawback is that they are MTX hogs a lot...
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:25 pm

Quoting QXRamperMEII (Reply 34):
Only drawback is that they are MTX hogs a lot...

What are the common issues that keep popping up? Would newer build Q400s suffer those same problems?
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RE: Q-400's For CO In EWR

Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:31 pm

Quoting Arrow (Reply 30):
The ATR de-icing issue was fixed

That was related only to early built aircraft. ATRs operate successfully year-round in Finland so there is no way they would have any problems in US.
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:26 pm

Quoting Arrow (Reply 30):
A plane designed and built in Canada should be able to handle winter weather.

The Dashes had their design based on DeHavilland's Twin Otter which was designed with flying in Canada's northernmost settlements as a requirement. The Dash 8's can handle the freezing rain that usually coats places like YHZ and others on Canada's eastern seaboard so they should have no problems with the messes you can find in EWR or cities around the Great Lakes
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RE: Q-400's For CO In EWR

Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:32 pm

I would hope this might see the return of the ISP-EWR shuttle which was run a few years back using the ATR.

If that were to happen it would be the end of US for me...as they are quickly becoming Walmart Air.
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:45 pm

Quoting ISP" class=quote target=_blank>Art at ISP (Reply 38):
I would hope this might see the return of the ISP-EWR shuttle which was run a few years back using the ATR.

That just seems like a waste of a Q400.
 
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RE: Q-400's For CO In EWR

Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:31 pm

Bringing back flights from EWR to Islip, Atlantic City and Harrisburg brings more business oppurtunities to EWR for folks who would otherwise drive to JFK, PHL etc..
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:36 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 40):
Bringing back flights from EWR to Islip, Atlantic City and Harrisburg brings more business oppurtunities to EWR for folks who would otherwise drive to JFK, PHL etc..

Yes, but as backed up as EWR already is and will continue to be do we need flights from New York itself to make it worse?


A few flights per day to get pax from islip would seem more reasonable, but a shuttle service seems like overkill.
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:51 pm

By shuttle I was referring to the short range of the flight. United does it between Orange County and LAX-35 miles, which is the approximate distance between ISP and EWR.

It could work 3x or 4 x per day-that should be sufficient.

Anything which helps Long Island business travelers avoid LGA, JFK, and Greyhound Air (Southworst) would be a gift.
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:56 pm

I'm going to get on record now as guessing what cities will see EWR DH4 service:

PVD, BDL, ALB, SYR, PHL, IAD, BWI, MDT, MHT, BTV, and maybe ROC & BUF

they are getting 15 of them, so this list could easily grow to add plces like ACY, ABE, and ISP...
 
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RE: Q-400's For CO In EWR

Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:25 pm

Is there room for the Q400 at the C2 RJ gates in EWR?

An ERJ-145XR has a wingspan of 68'-11" (21 m) and the Q400 has a wingspan of 93'-3" (28.42 m)

From the looks of things, they won't be able to park them side by side:

http://www.airliners.net/uf/536872672/1170689945C0n5iA.jpg
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RE: Q-400's For CO In EWR

Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:26 pm

Nice to see the return of the turboprop to CO! I hope to see them here in DAY. The used to fly the EMB120 here, and I miss it.
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RE: Q-400's For CO In EWR

Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:42 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 33):
airlines are adding them all over the place as the RJs get old.

In CO's case, the 70+ passenger Q400 is also a way around the pilots' scope clause, which prohibits flying pure jets of that size (like the E170) except by mainline pilots.
 
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RE: Q-400's For CO In EWR

Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:21 am

I can see the DH4's parking at the end of the C2 (lower level) gates. It looks like they should be able to park 6-7 of them arond the end.
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:51 am

Last I heard, some gates on C-2 were due to be put back in their original configuration to accommodate additional larger jets as we scale back ERJ operations at EWR. I would imagine we would reconfigure some gates on the north side of C-2, as we have been using 106 for large jet departures for some time time. In fact, the image above clearly shows a 757-200 taxiing in to the 106 stand. We can also handle the Q400 at most of our standard gates on C-1 and C-3 as well, so we do have plenty of flexibility once they are in service.
 
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RE: Q-400's For CO In EWR

Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:27 am

I'm perplexed at all these excited comments about the return of turboprops. It was just a few years ago that CO was trumpeting its new "all-jet" fleet. That was a happy day for me. I couldn't stand flying ATR-42s, especially in the wintertime from EWR to places like SYR and ITH. I recall the gate agents at SYR being so excited to finally get the RJs and be rid of the "dreadful" ATR-42s and EMB-190s. Granted, like many others, my feelings on RJs soured somewhat when they started replacing full-size jets on ridiculously long mainline routes like IAD-IAH, but on a 90-minute-or-less flight, give me an RJ over a turboprop every time. I say this never having flown (I don't think) a Q400, but I can't imagine the experience is that much better than the ATR-42 (which is to say, terrible).
 
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RE: Q-400's For CO In EWR

Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:43 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 19):
Nah - CO used to fly dozens of ATR flights each day out of EWR to points north in the winter back in the 1990s and didn't lose a single plane. And some of those markets get pretty nasty in the winter (i.e. SYR).

ahh yes the early 90s at EWR with CO ATRs. How could I forget! I remember taking a meatball schemed one in 1993 from BTV-EWR during a snowstorm. Now THAT was a nasty winter ride!
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RE: Q-400's For CO In EWR

Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:46 am

Quoting St530 (Reply 53):
I say this never having flown (I don't think) a Q400, but I can't imagine the experience is that much better than the ATR-42 (which is to say, terrible).

Rode one, you've rode em all eh? I agree...a lot like sex...once you've had one high wing turboprop why bother with the rest?

(Just ribbing you...I hear the Q400 is a great ride, and I for one can't wait for the experience!)

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