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US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:19 am

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...airways-lines-up-narrowbodies.html

No exact time frame when the order will announce. US Airways have 96 737-300/-400s in service.
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:23 am

I'd be absolutely shocked if Airbus didn't win this one. How many A319/320/321s do US/HP currently operate?
 
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:27 am

They will however threaten to go boeing, to get a good price. I can actually see either airbus or boeing winning this one.
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:29 am

737-800/900's would look good in US colors!
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:29 am

same, I'm not placing any bets on the table, but I think it's safe to assume that they'd order Airbus as to how they already have several A32Xs along with the A330s.

Though it's about time that they're getting replaced. They look like they lived through the apocalypse. Perhaps I should say this once the inevitable day of NW officially retiring their DC-9s occurs.  duck 
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:33 am

Maybe they get a good deal from Airbus because of the A350 delay.
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:34 am

I would have to believe this order will go to Airbus for the A320 family, though I am sure US will shop Boeing just to secure the best price they can from Airbus.
 
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 2):
I can actually see either airbus or boeing winning this one.

Well, don't go too far out on a limb there, Nostradamus.  Wink

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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:37 am

This one could swing either way. Both manufacturers will be pulling out all the stops to win the order, but I feel Boeing are in a better financial position at the moment and will thus be able to offer a more attractive deal. Airbus on the other hand have the natural advantage given US's previous commitments to Airbus products.

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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:40 am

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 8):
Both manufacturers will be pulling out all the stops to win the order, but I feel Boeing are in a better financial position at the moment and will thus be able to offer a more attractive deal.

Heh, it doesn't work that way.

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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:42 am

I expect this order to go to Airbus for a number of reasons:

1) Price
2) Commonality with existing fleet
3) Boeing's recent support of DL vs. LCC plan?

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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:44 am

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 8):
Both manufacturers will be pulling out all the stops to win the order, but I feel Boeing are in a better financial position at the moment and will thus be able to offer a more attractive deal.

Remember that US signed the first "gentleman's agreement" with a manufacturer when they signed one with Airbus for the A320 family. So it is quite possible that US will be getting favorable rates on the A320 from that deal (though obviously cost increases have been factored in since that agreement was first signed) that Boeing may not wish to match if they can get a better price from other carriers.
 
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:45 am

Hate to say it, but this is really, really old news. The cheapest bid will win. Airbus may provide further incentives if US sticks with the 350XWB.
 
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:55 am

What is US Airway's rush? The 733 and 734 are perfectly fine airplanes (although I'm sure the US 733/734 fleet is in dire need of updating of its interiors). Can't they wait until 737RS/A320NG are defined?
 
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:57 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Remember that US signed the first "gentleman's agreement" with a manufacturer when they signed one with Airbus for the A320 family.

That wasn't a gentleman's agreement. That was an actual purchase agreement for 400+ frames including options.

A lot of those options have expired, sadly.

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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting Ca2ohhp (Reply 12):
Hate to say it, but this is really, really old news. The cheapest bid will win. Airbus may provide further incentives if US sticks with the 350XWB.

Yeah we were just discussing this last week.
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting Ca2ohhp (Reply 12):
The cheapest bid will win.

I think that summarizes it.

With close to 100 planes up for replacement, US can order any type without having to think about fleet commonality, although it would obviously make give it a very lean fleet if they were to stick with the A32X family.

I wonder though if they are actually going to order all these planes at once.
I'd say an order for 40, with options for another 40 might be more plausible, topped up with 20 or so leases.
 
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:02 am

US Replacement Order For 737 (by Cltguy Jan 31 2007 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:12 am

Id love to see some 738's in the fleet. That would be nice to see in the new US livery.
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:18 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 10):
2) Commonality with existing fleet

With so many a/c, is fleet comonality such a big issue?

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 13):
Can't they wait until 737RS/A320NG are defined?

The article states that they may well do that - short term leases of current a/c to replace the 733/4 then buy the new replacement a/c when they are out.
 
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:48 am

Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 19):
With so many a/c, is fleet comonality such a big issue?

I suppose not, but I think US Airways could even further maximize their profits by streamlining as much as possible. Airbus will give US Airways a very competitive rate-- there is a lot at stake. If US Airways sticks with the A32x family, they can focus on simpler maintenence structures, pilot training, etc. I'm not saying US Airways can't pull a profit with both types-- they are now-- what I am saying is that US Airways maybe can pull GREATER profits by sticking with Airbus. Not to mention it'd make for an even easier HP/US fleet merger.

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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:09 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 7):
Quoting Flyorski (Reply 2):
"I can actually see either airbus or boeing winning this one."

Well, don't go too far out on a limb there, Nostradamus.

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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:23 am

US could get a sweetheart deal from Bombardier as a launch customer for the C-series? I highly doubt the probability but if I ran Bombardier I'd be knocking on the door in Phoenix!

Any thoughts?
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:38 am

Performance Range @ Max. Pax
C110 STD (110 passengers) 1800 nm 3335 km
C110 ER (110 passengers) 3000 nm 5560 km
Speed Mach kt mph km/h
Max Cruise Speed 0.82 470 541 870
Normal Cruise Speed 0.78 447 514 828
Altitudes ft m
Maximum Operating Altitude 41,000 ft 12,496 m


[edit] Preliminary Data

[edit] C-110
Configuration 110 Passengers Seated @ 32" Pitch
Three Flight Attendants

Cabin Windows Large 11" X 16" Positioned High

Passenger Seats 18.5" Wide Economy Class Seats (19.5" Mid Seat)
20.0" Wide Business Class Seats
Slim Profile Design
Large Under-seat Stowage Area

Cargo Compartments Usable 830 ft³
7.6 ft³/pax
39.5" Height

Total Seats 110 Seats single class
99 Seats Dual Class



[edit] C-130
Configuration 130 Passengers Seated @ 32" Pitch
Three Flight Attendants

Cargo Compartments Usable 1058 ft³
8.1 ft³/pax
39.5" Height


Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 22):
if I ran Bombardier I'd be knocking on the door in Phoenix!
 
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:54 am

There must be thousands of pilots and FAs that are type rated on the B737s, so if US choose B737NG the crews will only need a NG type update instead of a full course to become type rated on the A320 Family...? Would be a lot cheaper, no?

Does US really need to have aircraft with such small capacity gaps, as in 99, 124, 150, 168, 186 seats? How about just 99-seat E190, 150-seat A320/B738 and 194-seat A321/B739ER?
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:02 am

There is no doubt that US will go with more A320-family aircraft. Remember that US became a dyed-in-the-wool Airbus client after being disrespected by Boeing in the 80's and 90's. They are too far down the road to turn back now. Especially in light of the merger with HP.

No matter how much Airbus charges, this order is a done deal.

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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:09 am

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 25):

There is no doubt that US will go with more A320-family aircraft. Remember that US became a dyed-in-the-wool Airbus client after being disrespected by Boeing in the 80's and 90's. They are too far down the road to turn back now. Especially in light of the merger with HP.

No matter how much Airbus charges, this order is a done deal.

USAirways IS America West. Thus, the history issue seems to be irrelevant.

I agree with those above: A32X seems likely, but Boeing has a shot. While I agree it would be interesting to see the 737NG in the US fleet, the Airbus product makes much more sense. I know the whole commonality issue goes out the window once you have a certain number of that type, but I am a little more cautious looking forward. They could order 50+50 737's, but if the economy hits the skids, another terrorist incident occurs, the competitive landscape changes dramatically, etc., they might not take all ordered aircraft. Then what do you do when you have 25-30 orphaned in your fleet?

I vote for more 319's and 321's. Or a mix of 190's and Airbii.

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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:12 am

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 25):
There is no doubt that US will go with more A320-family aircraft. Remember that US became a dyed-in-the-wool Airbus client after being disrespected by Boeing in the 80's and 90's. They are too far down the road to turn back now. Especially in light of the merger with HP.

No matter how much Airbus charges, this order is a done deal.

I really don't see that apathy between Boeing and the new US management.
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:19 am

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 27):
really don't see that apathy between Boeing and the new US management.

There isn't. For some reason some on a.net think Doug Parker is in seventh grade and would pass up a better deal because Boeing didn't play ball with him. I actually think the 739ER is a solid option as the west 757's are running on borrowed time to Hawaii.
 
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:22 am

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 22):
US could get a sweetheart deal from Bombardier as a launch customer for the C-series? I highly doubt the probability but if I ran Bombardier I'd be knocking on the door in Phoenix!

The C-series is not a suitable replacement aircraft for the Boeing 737-300/400 series. Besides, US already is purchasing aircraft of that size - from Embraer, with 99-seat two-class E190s entering service.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 24):
Does US really need to have aircraft with such small capacity gaps, as in 99, 124, 150, 168, 186 seats? How about just 99-seat E190, 150-seat A320/B738 and 194-seat A321/B739ER?

The 124-seat A319s are firmly established in the US Airways fleet and won't be going anywhere. Furthermore, putting 194 seats in an A321 would certainly reduce its range to the point where it would be completely incapable of serving transcontinental routes (where the aircraft is already marginal). I'm skeptical that the reconfigured 183-seat A321s will be able to reliably fly cross-country.
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:47 am

This order should swing into Airbus's favor due to pricing, fleet commonality and available slots. The slots for the 737 are pretty full from what I've read.
 
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:52 am

the company is leaning towards best price. period . i e-mailed scott kirby about it and that's the answer he gave me.
 
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:57 am

Quoting Mah584jr (Reply 30):
This order should swing into Airbus's favor due to pricing, fleet commonality and available slots. The slots for the 737 are pretty full from what I've read.

And as you've also read when making a similar post, the A320's backlog is longer.

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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:06 am

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 28):
There isn't. For some reason some on a.net think Doug Parker is in seventh grade and would pass up a better deal because Boeing didn't play ball with him. I actually think the 739ER is a solid option as the west 757's are running on borrowed time to Hawaii.

Parker would surely be considered having a 7th grade mentality if he ordered the 739ER solely on the basis of using them for low yield Hawaii traffic. It's more likely that the existing 767-200s or TA 757s will replace the Hawaii 757s in 2009 after delivery of the 332s.
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:09 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 26):
I am a little more cautious looking forward. They could order 50+50 737's, but if the economy hits the skids, another terrorist incident occurs, the competitive landscape changes dramatically, etc., they might not take all ordered aircraft. Then what do you do when you have 25-30 orphaned in your fleet?

Excellent point.

There was also a point about the HP fleet to Hawaii...if they just tarted them up with new cabins and a D-check they would be fine, right? Or are they especially high time/cycle frames?
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RE: US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement

Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:11 am

Sorry folks, the thread below is still open, and is the same subject.

Continue there please, this thread is locked as it is in fact a duplicate. I won't delete it because of the valued information contained herein.
US Replacement Order For 737 (by Cltguy Jan 31 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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