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Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:14 am

I came across the following this evening and then I did a QUICK search on A.net but nothing came up.
Is this story for real? Or just something made-up by competing carriers?!

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/china-air-p1.php
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RE: Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:24 am

Several years old - Air China.
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RE: Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting LHRneighbour (Thread starter):
Is this story for real?

More than likely not. Except for this story floating around on the net, there's no report on this. If this were real, Air China would've been banned from flying to the EU.
 
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RE: Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:08 am

The picture doesn't look fake; it must have been taken somewhere.
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RE: Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:11 am

Though it looks quite real, I wouldn't trust a website called "boreme.com".
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RE: Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:20 am

I have problems with the idea that those seat-belt straps would have remained in place for the entire flight. . .
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RE: Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:57 am

Agreed PPVRA. My guess is somewhere and engine was removed due to ingesting something, hence the damage. The seat belt just happened to be used to secure the blades on a truck ride somewhere, or just so they wouldn't move sitting in the hangar. Then when the pics came out, a story was added. With all the aviation buffs on this site, this story would have been brought up a few times.

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RE: Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 3):
The picture doesn't look fake

The picture isn't fake, but the story probably is. What you're seeing here is probably an engine being prepared for shipment (possibly underwing on a 747 as a 'fifth' engine) to be repaired. The engine was obviously damaged by a foreign object. I don't believe for one single second the Air China took off with the engine like that on only three working engines for a revenue flight.

[Edited 2007-02-06 21:58:48]
 
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RE: Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:34 am

Those straps are NOT seatbelts
 
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RE: Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:27 pm

Quoting LHRneighbour (Thread starter):
Or just something made-up by competing carriers?!

Seems to have first appeared in alt.culture.taiwan newsgroup/forum in early 2003.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.c...3a77a3cb5c6?hl=en#869493a77a3cb5c6

The first 2 posts seem to be missing.
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RE: Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:50 am

Hey, I was jsut about to post it and I discovered this thread...the thread title almost made me miss it.

Flight international is now reporting the story..perhaps it is so after all.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ound-blades-leading-to-german.html
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RE: Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:58 am

This is totally bullshit!

That engine is from a Kailitta 741F that in FRA suffered a engine failure after a vast number of birds had entered the engine on takeoff from rwy. 18!

It is obviouse that the engine has had some kind of FOD... BTW that is a JTD-9 and Air China only fly the 744 to FRA since the past 9 years!  Wink

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RE: Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:19 am

This has made the rounds for several years ....

According to lore, it was a chinese freighter 747 that was bound for somewhere in europe, and landed in FRA due to fuel emergency.

According to the lore, they'd been flying on 3 engines and therefore had a higher fuel burn than expected.

Text of the common email spreading this around :

Quote:
A pilot for a 747 belonging to a Chinese carrier requested permission and landed at Frankfurt, Germany for an unscheduled refueling stop. The reason became soon apparent to the ground crew: The Number 3 engine had been shut down because of excessive vibration, and because it didn't look to be in a great state of repair.

It had apparently been no problem for the resourceful maintenance team back in China: they took some sturdy straps and wrapped them around several of the fan blades and the structures behind, thus stopping any unwanted windmilling (engine spinning by itself due to airflow passing thru the blades during flight) and associated uncomfortable vibration caused by the suboptimal fan. Note that the straps are seatbelts!

After making the "repairs", off they went into the wild blue yonder with another revenue-making flight on only three engines! With the increased fuel consumption, they got a bit low on fuel, and just set it down at the closest airport for a quick refill.

That's when the problems started: The Germans, who are kind of picky about this stuff, inspected the malfunctioning engine and immediately grounded the aircraft. (besides the seatbelts, notice the appalling condition of the fan blades.) The airline operator had to send a chunk of money to get the first engine replaced (took about 10 days) The repair contractor decided to do some impromptu inspection work on the other engines, none of which looked all that great either.

The result: a total of 3 engines were eventually changed on this plane before it was permitted to fly again.

links :

http://www.airdisaster.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83750

http://chaspope.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!9894DE882DEA4909!295.entry

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RE: Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:27 am

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 11):
It is obviouse that the engine has had some kind of FOD... BTW that is a JTD-9 and Air China only fly the 744 to FRA since the past 9 years!

Based on the tip rubstrip pattern, and front flange config, I'll confirm a JT9D-7A series. Circa 1970 - 1976. It would only be on 747-100 and 747-200.

I've seen worse.
 
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RE: Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:54 am

I saw this too... and got quite worried about Chinese Aviation...

A couple of years back I read on here about one Chinese airline seating extra passengers on plastic seats in the aisle!
 
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RE: Chinese Airline Serious Engine Problem

Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:49 pm

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 9):
Seems to have first appeared in alt.culture.taiwan newsgroup/forum in early 2003.

I first saw the pictures when I lived in the UK and I returned to the States in February 2002. So it was before 2003. The story as I recall was that the subject aircraft was ferried (on three engines) with the damaged fan secured to prevent rotation, because of the obvious balance problem.

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