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VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:59 pm

Airbus press release

AIRBUS WINS FIRST ASIAN CUSTOMER FOR VIP A340-500

Airbus has won its first Asian customer for a VIP version of its ultra long-haul A340-500 – highlighting the aircraft’s growing appeal to private customers. The deal is the third for the VIP A340 that Airbus has announced this year, and is in addition to five orders for Airbus Corporate Jetliner (ACJ) Family aircraft.

The Asian customer’s A340-500 is powered by Rolls-Royce Trent 500 engines.

“Already doing sterling service on the world’s longest airline routes, the Airbus A340-500 has exactly what a VIP customer wants – a very large and attractive cabin, four-engined freedom for routings over the remotest regions, and the range to fly nonstop to the world,” says Airbus Chief Operating Officer Customers, John Leahy.

Airbus offers the largest and most modern range of corporate jets, from the entry-level A318 Elite, through the Airbus Corporate Jetliner (ACJ), A320 Prestige and A330/A340 Prestige, all the way up to an A380 Flying Palace.

The market for VIP widebodies has been increasingly active in recent years, with Airbus booking its first firm order for a VIP A340-600 in 2005, plus a VIP A330-200 for an undisclosed customer, in 2006.

Widebody VIP aircraft offer customers both a larger cabin and more range, allowing larger groups to fly even further nonstop in greater comfort and style.

And for customers that select a four-engined A340 or A380, there are added benefits. These include the ability to continue to their destination after an engine failure, better take-off performance in hot and high conditions, and the freedom to overfly remote areas free from extended range twin-engine operations (ETOPS) limitations.

The VIP A330-200, A340-300, A340-500 and A340-600 build on the strong success that the A330/A340 Family has already achieved in the airliner marketplace, where they are the first in their class to pass 1,000 firm orders and have some 100 customers and operators to their credit.

Their modern design features many innovations that deliver more value to customers. These include fuel-saving advanced aerodynamics, extensive use of weight-saving carbonfibre composites, a modern common cockpit and fly-by-wire controls, and reliable systems supported by centralised maintenance.

Corporate jet customers are backed by Airbus’ worldwide network of technical support, training and spares centres, as well as approved service centres.

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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:11 pm

If you fly the whole range with VIP 345 (10.000 nm / 18.000 km) how many hours are you in the air ???

Curius.

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Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:14 pm

The VIP,s really seems to like Airbus  Smile,i would,t mine having one of my own to.....but that,s not gonna happen,congrats to Airbus anyway,they seems to pick a order here and there now,and it,s not just NB.  Smile
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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:22 pm

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 2):
and it,s not just NB.

It's very interesting - not many people are ordering NBs so far this year but give it a few months and that will switch around!
 
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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:23 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
If you fly the whole range with VIP 345 (10.000 nm / 18.000 km) how many hours are you in the air ???

I would say that it is close to 20 hours with average speed of 900km/h  Smile
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Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:52 pm

Just for the record: this is the SECOND A340-500VIP sold this year!? WAW

I'd say Airbus is actively promoting the 4 engines concept for long haul with the VIPs and I suppose it makes sense really, since any other long haul plane might be ETOPS limited.

I know the T7 has the longest ETOPS clearance of all planes and some other twins like the A330/767 can have pretty impressive ETOPS clearances too, but if I have understood it correctly, these don't come automatic. The individual plane, the crew, the maintenance department and the operator all need to be approved by the authorities to fly under ETOPS for commercial flights and although I don't know whether this also goes for private/business flights (and thus by definition non-commerical flights) I suppose all Mr Leahy has to say is: "Would you as a billionaire want to take risks which Joe Average is protected from with his $500 ticket?"

I wonder when the first A380 Flying Palace will be ordered? It didn't sound far off to me...
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:56 pm

Would there be any two cities that this aircraft won't be able to link?

SYD-LHR, NRT-GRU both would be no problems.
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:10 pm

There´s bein a lot of orders for the 332F, ACJ, Elite, Prestige this winter and it´s not over yet......

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Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:13 pm

Quoting Fumitani (Reply 6):
Would there be any two cities that this aircraft won't be able to link?

In the non-commercial configuration I think the A345 will be able to link pretty much every city pair on the map  Smile
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:19 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 7):
There´s been a lot of orders for the 332F, ACJ, Elite, Prestige this winter and it´s not over yet......

Indeed, so far all the orders announced by Airbus have been for the newly launched A330 Freighter program, the corporate range and their highly popular A320 family.... Somehow I am getting the impression Airbus is once again buffering the even higher profile orders from the pax airlines for a mega event like Le Bourget, where they will like to come strong, with a daily stream of big order announcements. Mr Leahy's recent slip of the tong regarding the LH follow up order for a considerable number of A380s might have been one of them...
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:20 pm

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 8):
I think the A345 will be able to link pretty much every city pair on the map

Of major city pairs, Shanghai-Buenos Aires is perhaps one of the longest (10579nm great circle). Anyone see any longer city pair? (not necessarily reachable by any given aircraft)
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:25 pm

Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 10):
Of major city pairs, Shanghai-Buenos Aires is perhaps one of the longest (10579nm great circle). Anyone see any longer city pair? (not necessarily reachable by any given aircraft)

AKL/CHC-LHR/MAN/OSL/GLA maybe?
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:34 pm

Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 10):
Of major city pairs, Shanghai-Buenos Aires is perhaps one of the longest (10579nm great circle). Anyone see any longer city pair? (not necessarily reachable by any given aircraft)



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 11):
AKL/CHC-LHR/MAN/OSL/GLA maybe?

CHC-VGO

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Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:26 pm

Quoting Jonathan-l (Thread starter):
and is in addition to five orders for Airbus Corporate Jetliner (ACJ) Family aircraft.

Airbus announced yesterday a deal for an A319ACJ. They've also announced a deal for 2 A318s going to Comlux and 2 A320s going to the Oman AF. Looks like these are the orders talked about here.
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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:04 pm

Is it for the Sultan of Brunei ??
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:19 pm

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):
Is it for the Sultan of Brunei ??

That was my bet too.  Smile
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:20 pm

Quoting Jonathan-l (Thread starter):
Airbus has won its first Asian customer for a VIP version of its ultra long-haul A340-500 – highlighting the aircraft’s growing appeal to private customers.

QR has a VIP aircraft since 2005, and so this order is not the FIRST Asian customer.
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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:24 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 16):
QR has a VIP aircraft since 2005, and so this order is not the FIRST Asian customer.

Ok, but IIRC this was included in QR's order of 4 A345s, 3 of which are normal airline aircraft.
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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:32 pm

siz396 has it right...ETOPS requires a whole additional level of maintenance and costs. With a 4 engine bird items can defer until the aircraft reaches parts without disrupting the VIP's plans or timing. Further with the 4 motors you are going direct anywhere you want without any hours on one engine restriction thereby shorter flights and additionally allowing you not to overfly areas you do not want to...sometimes an important item depending on intl relations at the time...wink wink. Lastly the 4 motors you are carrying are common around the world for maintenance and parts vastly reducing potential downtime situations.
 
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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:49 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 17):

Ok, but IIRC this was included in QR's order of 4 A345s, 3 of which are normal airline aircraft.

QR has bought one A345 for the Amiri Flight and 4 A346 for the regular airline. They haven't ordered more A345s.

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 16):
QR has a VIP aircraft since 2005, and so this order is not the FIRST Asian customer.

In Airbus world view Qatar belongs to "Middle East & North Africa". Apart from that you're right.
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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:07 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 19):
QR has bought one A345 for the Amiri Flight and 4 A346 for the regular airline. They haven't ordered more A345s.

Also QR arent showing as ordering anything other than the A340-600s from Airbus on the O&D spreadsheet, so if they went elsewhere for the VIP A340 (which this highly suggests) then this press release would be correct in that this A340-500 order is the first one for Airbus itself.
 
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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
I'd say Airbus is actively promoting the 4 engines concept for long haul with the VIPs and I suppose it makes sense really, since any other long haul plane might be ETOPS limited.

Yet if ETOPS is lifted or LROPS is enforced, it won't really matter.

Plus, do ETOPS and LROPS apply to private planes, or just commercial carriers? If it doesn't, it may help explain Boeing's strong 787BBJ sales...
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:23 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
Yet if ETOPS is lifted or LROPS is enforced, it won't really matter.

I think it entirely depends on what rules LROPS will bring in - I cant imagine that suddenly twins will be able to go whereever they please, just as I dont think many of the pacific diversion destinations are suitable for many types of medical emergencies.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
Plus, do ETOPS and LROPS apply to private planes, or just commercial carriers? If it doesn't, it may help explain Boeing's strong 787BBJ sales...

It depends on a lot of factors, some countries require it, some dont, and it also depends how the flight is operated.
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:35 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 12):
CHC-VGO

10,713 nm
19,840 km

Is that the longest you know in the world?

Anyway, I would settle for AKL-LIS (19622 km/10595 nm), which, although highly unlikelly for some biz jet to do, it's still much more likelly than CHC-VGOBig grin
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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:38 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):
Is it for the Sultan of Brunei ??

Doubt it as he did not take delivery of the A340-8000 which is also very long ranged, and still has a relatively new and bigger 744. He is a more likely candidate for the A380.
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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:09 pm

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 20):
Also QR arent showing as ordering anything other than the A340-600s from Airbus on the O&D spreadsheet, so if they went elsewhere for the VIP A340 (which this highly suggests) then this press release would be correct in that this A340-500 order is the first one for Airbus itself.

There is one A345 in the top line as "Executive and Private Jets". I believe it is the one of Qatar Amiri. In earlier sheets Airbus had it listed under either "Qatar Airways" or "Qatar Airways (Amiri Flight)". I don't know why they changed that. However, it doesn't appear at all in the regional sheets.

Quoting A360 (Reply 23):
Is that the longest you know in the world?

Yes, but there might be longer ones.

Quoting A360 (Reply 23):
Anyway, I would settle for AKL-LIS (19622 km/10595 nm), which, although highly unlikelly for some biz jet to do, it's still much more likelly than CHC-VGO. Big grin
At least both LIS and AKL are the biggest cities of their own countries. Wink

Of course, but I wanted a really long one.
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:55 pm

Quoting A360 (Reply 23):
Is that the longest you know in the world?

No, AGP-AKL is longer

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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:15 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 16):
QR has a VIP aircraft since 2005, and so this order is not the FIRST Asian customer.

QR is classafied as Middle East... but in Asia to be honest many corporations do not like buying business jets for some reason and VIPs tend to buy smaller ones just like gulfstreams...

it'll be surprising to see who bought this A345....Chinese VIP??
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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:35 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 26):
No, AGP-AKL is longer

19,940 km

Fair enough! Big grin

Btw, AKL-VGO is "just" 19358 km.


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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:10 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 26):
No, AGP-AKL is longer

19,940 km

I hate to say this, but KUL-CUE is actually longer... 19,956KM... I guess that could very well be the longest route in the world!!
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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:25 am

Guys, the longest route I could find in the Great Circle Mapper was SYX-ARI. It showed 20004km, but one a.nutter said it actually was a few kms below 20000.
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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:30 am

Ok, ok.... only airports with at least 1 Million passengers/year are elegible! Big grin
 
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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:35 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 30):
Guys, the longest route I could find in the Great Circle Mapper was SYX-ARI. It showed 20004km, but one a.nutter said it actually was a few kms below 20000.

Probably depends from where you measure. If you take the ends of the runways that are the nearest to each other, it might be 4km less than when you take the centers of the airports.
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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:19 pm

Wasn't Malaysia in for a new VIP plane? I recalled something about the PM of Malaysia being under fire for buying a new, rather expensive plane?

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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 33):
Wasn't Malaysia in for a new VIP plane? I recalled something about the PM of Malaysia being under fire for buying a new, rather expensive plane?

I believe that was for an ACJ.....

Quoting Manni (Reply 13):
Airbus announced yesterday a deal for an A319ACJ.


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RE: VIP A340-500 For Asian Customer

Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:03 pm

Quoting CaptainTim (Reply 27):
it'll be surprising to see who bought this A345....Chinese VIP??

A wild speculation, but setting aside the VIP A345 as for Qatar's Amiri Flight, Flightglobal's lumping it together in one report with China's Sonangol order for three ACJs could be a hint of a possible new PLAAF "Air Force One". That would be a rather nice icing on the A320 Chinese line cake, and a fitting toast to celebrate large Airbus sales there.

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