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DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:05 am

besides the announced upgrade/changes (DH8 to CRJ/ER4) by DL for JFK-SYR, JFK-ALB, and new 2X daily ER4 service betwen JFK-BGM, I found a few others:

JFK-BUF goes from 4X CRJ in February to 5X CRJ in March, then to 6X CRJ in April.

2 of 4 JFK-SYR DH8s go to ER4's (announced) - the remaining 2 to go RJ by the summer along with all 4 JFK-ALB DH8's.

All 4 JFK-PWM DH8 flights go ER4 in April.

3 of 4 JFK-BTV DH8 flights go ER4 in April.

2 JFK-PIT flights swap CRJ to ER4.

Both JFK-IND flights swap CRJ to ER4.

1 of 4 JFK-BWI and JFK-ORF DH8 flights go to a CRJ in April.

BOS-BGR goes from 3X CRJ to 4X BE1 in April.

** New 2X BOS-ALB begins in April.

looking at the BE1 schedule at BOS, it appears that 1 Beech sits in BOS between 12:10pm and 5:40pm and then sits in ALB from 6:57pm all night until 8:00am the next morning, which leads me to beleive they might add a few afternoon flights to the schedule somewhere.
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:19 am

Hmm.... wonder where the DH8s are going?
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:22 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
Hmm.... wonder where the DH8s are going?

Given who they are operated by, hopefully to hell  Wink .

Quoting PVD757 (Thread starter):
BOS-BGR goes from 3X CRJ to 4X BE1 in April.

Hmm, had that conversion expected, though going from 150 (or 120, not sure whether those CRJ flights are on 40- or 50- seaters) seats to 76 is quite a drop in capacity.
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:31 am

What about BDL? Remaining Dash 8?
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:01 am

Additional changes at JFK (some of these were already announced):

- JFK-PDX resumes April 19 with the 738

- Second JFK-LGW starts April 1 (763ER)

- Second JFK-JAX starts April 1 (CRJ)

- 3x daily JFK-DFW starts April 17 (E170) - shifted from LGA-DFW

Also, spring marks the start of two banks (and some rolling schedules) of transatlantic departures and arrivals:
- Transatlantic departures will start as early as 4:20pm, with quite a few departures in the 4-5pm slot (ATH, KBP, IST, ACC, etc.), reduced number between 5 and 7pm, and then another bank in the 7-8pm hour (TXL, FRA, NCE, MXP, VCE, MAD, BRU, DUB, LGW, PSA, OTP, etc.).

- Transatlantic arrivals will also start much earlier (e.g., with AMS coming in at 11:20am, LGW at 12:10pm), with one bank between 2pm and 3pm and another late bank between 5 and 6pm (IST, BUD, LGW, FCO, ATH, ACC, OTP, PSA, etc.)
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting PVD757 (Thread starter):
looking at the BE1 schedule at BOS, it appears that 1 Beech sits in BOS between 12:10pm and 5:40pm and then sits in ALB from 6:57pm all night until 8:00am the next morning, which leads me to beleive they might add a few afternoon flights to the schedule somewhere.

What routes are the -1900s flying?
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting 146Crew (Reply 5):
What routes are the -1900s flying?

so far, I've only found BOS-ALB and BOS-BGR.

I also know they have put in bids to serve some EAS routes (ART, OGS, and MSS - all small northern tier NY State markets) to BOS. I was expecting to see things like BOS-ISP, SYR, BTV, and maybe places like PQI, BHB, LEB, etc.
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:19 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 6):
also know they have put in bids to serve some EAS routes (ART, OGS, and MSS - all small northern tier NY State

This bid was approved. ART will be the hub with flights to ALB, Massena and Ogdensburg. ART will also be the maintence base for 8 BEH aircraft. Ogdensburg and Massena flights will first go to ART and then to BOS or change planes and go to ALB.

[Edited 2007-02-07 19:20:37]

[Edited 2007-02-07 19:21:46]
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:44 am

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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:05 am

Looks like DL is switching out OH CRJ's for Freedom ERJ's...could this be the end of the OH base in JFK? With Comair's Feb 9th deadline coming up maybe DL's planning ahead.
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:12 am

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 9):
With Comair's Feb 9th deadline coming up maybe DL's planning ahead.

Looks like OH got an injunction from the BK court judge today against any potential pilot job action:

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...23_N07460096&type=comktNews&rpc=44
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:15 am

And news on the 75's routes across the pond. BOS-SNN/DUB is coming, but any others??????
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:27 am

COEI2007 What is your source for this new route?
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:06 am

Well, I remeber a few years back when DL was operating the JFk service before it was dropped and resumed, they had said they were interested in BOS service from Ireland anyway. Its also being talked about a lot in DUB!
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:31 am

Who is operating the ERJ's for Delta, is it Chautauqua?
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting N670UW (Reply 14):
Who is operating the ERJ's for Delta, is it Chautauqua?

Freedom air
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:44 am

What is going on with the Dash 8s? Chautauqua operates to JFK some from CMH, ORF, CLE and IND.
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:46 am

Quoting PVD757 (Thread starter):
which leads me to beleive they might add a few afternoon flights to the schedule somewhere.

ACY....
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:46 am

I am pleasantly surprised to see DL go double-daily on LGW-JFK so soon after launching the route, is their any reason behind it?

With CO offering a very much established double-daily LGW-EWR and Z4 launching LGW-JFK for S07 I am surprised to see the capacity increase so early on in DL's LGW-JFK operation.
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:40 am

Quoting LGW" class=quote target=_blank>LGW (Reply 18):
I am pleasantly surprised to see DL go double-daily on LGW-JFK so soon after launching the route, is their any reason behind it?

I believe that was always their intention. Because London is such a business powerhouse, having more than one flight everyday really helps for the business traveler. This way they have an early return in the morning, and one in the late afternoon.
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:03 pm

I think B6 has taken alot of thier business on BOS-JFK although they serve LGA! I would rather fly to JFK and fly B6 than Fly Delta anywhere!

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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:30 pm

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 3):
What about BDL? Remaining Dash 8?

yes, so far, PVD, BDL, MHT, and PHL are still all DH8. ALB is too, but they have announced that will switch over to RJ by the summer.
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:20 am

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 20):
I think B6 has taken alot of thier business on BOS-JFK although they serve LGA! I would rather fly to JFK and fly B6 than Fly Delta anywhere!

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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:16 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 22):



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 22):
What is your point?

My point is that DELTA should not really be expanding out of Boston because they are no longer a favorite airline of Boston. It was mentioned last month that they are going to have to give up their shinny new terminal and reduce capacity and free up gates....yet they are adding flights? Do they want to become more delay stricken than they already are....more flights + less gates sounds like a way to do GREAT business. I think they should just give up!

They launched SONG...which was GREAT....even better than B6 and look at where it got them. Song is gone...and DELTA claims to be changing....but is not really.

I would like to see them go and see UA and B6 increase their presence in the BAWSTON area! Thats all!
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:24 am

Which one do you work for United or Jetblue?
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 23):
My point is that DELTA should not really be expanding out of Boston because they are no longer a favorite airline of Boston. It was mentioned last month that they are going to have to give up their shinny new terminal and reduce capacity and free up gates....yet they are adding flights?

They are not giving up their shiny new terminal. They will have to concentrate operations to a certain point, to the tune of losing 4-5 gates if it even happens.

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 23):
reduce capacity and free up gates....yet they are adding flights? Do they want to become more delay stricken than they already are....more flights + less gates sounds like a way to do GREAT business.

Operating more flights out of less gates is a way to drive up efficiency and reduce operating costs. WN does it at most airports, so you have a moot point...

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 23):
They launched SONG...which was GREAT....even better than B6 and look at where it got them. Song is gone...and DELTA claims to be changing....but is not really.

Yes SONG is gone. Everyone, including Delta knows that. In terms of Delta changing, change does not happen overnight when you have 2000+ flights to maintain daily and 500+ aircraft. Did you expect them to stop flying for a few months to reconfigure all of the aircraft?

....


I think the real issue here is that you just don't like Delta. Which is fine. However, if you are going to make sweeping generalizations, you should have support for your arguments. We can go into numbers, but on a revenue basis, DL is up vs. last year in most markets, including BOS. Yes the new terminal is expensive and increases airport costs for DL at BOS...
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 23):
My point is that DELTA should not really be expanding out of Boston because they are no longer a favorite airline of Boston.

Passenger numbers tell a different story.

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 23):
It was mentioned last month that they are going to have to give up their shinny new terminal

They are just giving up gates, not the terminal.

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 23):
and reduce capacity and free up gates....yet they are adding flights?

Making better use of their assets, and?

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 23):
Do they want to become more delay stricken than they already are

They are no more delay stricken than other carriers, including UA and B6 which you seem to like.

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 23):
more flights + less gates sounds like a way to do GREAT business.

It is great business. Are you gonna blast Southwest because they operate 10 flights out of one gate per day? If so, you have to learn alot about economics.

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 23):
I think they should just give up!

Gotta love an unbiased opinion.

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 23):
They launched SONG...which was GREAT....even better than B6 and look at where it got them. Song is gone...and DELTA claims to be changing....but is not really.

I guess that's why you are seeing Song features introduced on more and more mainline planes, right  Yeah sure ?

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 23):
I would like to see them go and see UA and B6 increase their presence in the BAWSTON area! Thats all!

UA doesn't give a damn about BOS.
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:43 am

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 23):
Do they want to become more delay stricken than they already are....more flights + less gates sounds like a way to do GREAT business

Huh? You need to look at some facts and numbers. Here's the latest DOT report (for flights in December 2006):

http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/reports/2007/Feburary/200702atcr.pdf

Delta mainline came in at #3 overall in on-time performance for December, scoring an 80.8% on-time arrival rate, just behind Aloha and Hawaiian. Even Comair improved their standing to rank #14 of 20. JetBlue by the way, came in at #18 of 20 for December (a 64.8% on-time rate) as well as for November. Year-to-date, DL came in at #6 while B6 was at #15.

In BOS specifically, B6's on-time arrival % for December was 75.7% while Delta's was 86.7%.
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 27):
Huh? You need to look at some facts and numbers. Here's the latest DOT report (for flights in December 2006):

Thanks for posting the report. Great numbers for Dec now that all runways are open in ATL. I noticed that DL even took it to SWA in most categories. Good numbers for the entire year, also. Keep up the great work DL.
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:44 pm

I am glad to have gotten you all going! It was sort of the goal of my comment...i simply hate it when everyone is on the same page and there is no one disagreeing with them!

I actually flew Delta last week and Their service was much better than it was same time last year. KUDOS to Delta for working their crap out!
 
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:48 pm

Quoting Nkops (Reply 17):
Quoting PVD757 (Thread starter):
which leads me to beleive they might add a few afternoon flights to the schedule somewhere.

ACY....

ACY from BOS and JFK would be great, they are doing well with TTN-BOS from what I've read.
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting PVD757 (Thread starter):
BOS-BGR goes from 3X CRJ to 4X BE1 in April.

Remember when BOS-BGR was all 727 service? Remember when DL had full jets from BOS nonstop to:

Presque Isle
Bangor
Portland
Burlington
Machester
Nantucket
Hartford

and direct jets to:
Worcester
Keene
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RE: DL April Schedule Changes JFK & BOS

Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:05 am

well, I found the BOS-ART/MSS/OGS flights. 1 aircraft does ART-ALB-BOS-ALB-BOS-ART-OGS-MSS-ART-BOS-ART-OGS-MSS

another one does: MSS-OGS-ART-BOS-ART-MSS-OGS-ART-BOS-ALB-ART

the 3rd does BGR-BOS-BGR X4

I actually look forward to see where the other 12 BE1's will go (and certainly hoping PVD can get in on some action, maybe PVD-BUF or something).