AirframeAS
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Question About Freedom (F8)

Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:49 am

I once flew on F8 in 2003 TUS-PHX on a CR9 as a non-rev. They were like YV partnered with HP at the time. Now my question is: Now that F8 isnt in PHX anymore, are they still around or did they go defunct and gave their aircraft to YV? I remember reading about this aircraft 'giveaway' on A.net somewhere, did a search and I cannot find it.

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RE: Question About Freedom (F8)

Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:55 am

Freedom is a subsidiary of Mesa Air Group. They currently operate the ERJ-145 and Dash-8 for Delta Connection, mainly out of ATL, MCO and JFK.

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RE: Question About Freedom (F8)

Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 1):
They currently operate the ERJ-145 and Dash-8 for Delta Connection, mainly out of ATL, MCO and JFK.

I take it that they are still around, sans the CR9 and west coast ops? I swear that it was a CR9 on F8 between TUS-PHX in 2003 the one and only time I was on them.
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RE: Question About Freedom (F8)

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:03 am

Freedom started with the -900s as a non-union subsidiary of Mesa. The pilots of Mesa (rightfully) objected to that and Freedom became union and the -900s went back to Mesa, from the way I recall it happening.
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RE: Question About Freedom (F8)

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 3):

Would you consider it as a 'defunct' carrier since they are no longer doing west coast ops? Seems like they changed their whole ops 100%.
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RE: Question About Freedom (F8)

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:12 am

No - I would only consider them a defunct carrier if Mesa shut them down and discontinued using the operating certificate.

Would you call Shuttle America a defunct carrier? They changed their operations 100% as well when they became a subsidiary of Republic Airways Holdings.
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RE: Question About Freedom (F8)

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:21 am

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 5):
Would you call Shuttle America a defunct carrier?

I thought it would be because they are no longer doing west coast routes anymore like they used to, if you know what I mean. Thats why I asked.
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RE: Question About Freedom (F8)

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:26 am

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 3):
Freedom started with the -900s as a non-union subsidiary of Mesa. The pilots of Mesa (rightfully) objected to that and Freedom became union and the -900s went back to Mesa, from the way I recall it happening.

A move that has Orenstein written all over it...  sarcastic 
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RE: Question About Freedom (F8)

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:39 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 6):
I thought it would be because they are no longer doing west coast routes anymore like they used to, if you know what I mean. Thats why I asked.

I understand what you're saying - but defunct isn't the appropriate word. That would imply the carrier is no longer operating. I'm trying to think of one that is, though...I'll let you know if I find one!!
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RE: Question About Freedom (F8)

Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:44 pm

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 8):
I understand what you're saying

Thanks, S5FA170. I appreciate it!
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RE: Question About Freedom (F8)

Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:05 am

oh yes...freedom, that was a fun time at mesa, they managed to piss about everyone in U.S. commercial aviation off...and yes, they certainly did have the -900s. I can't remember, were the -700s initially freedom out of PHX? I don't think so, I think they were YV...