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WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:31 pm

Announced at the SWA OAK Message to the Field!! More details to come!!!
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:33 pm

I wonder if it has to do with increased interest from F9 and Virgin America at SFO, and also B6 using OAK....
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:36 pm

Odd. Will wait for confirmation before further comment. But it seems WN is going after UA. First it goes to DEN, and now to SFO, both UA hubs, both markets they left.
Very interesting.

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:36 pm

Woohoo for WN! i wonder what will happen to their OAK operations  scratchchin 
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:36 pm

Not surprised. This has been something I'd expected for a while. Since they left before, their business model has changed in regards to the congested airports. My question is: When do they go into JFK/EWR/LGA?

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:36 pm

Quoting SWAFA27 (Thread starter):
Announced at the SWA OAK Message to the Field!! More details to come!!!

While I don't want to sound patronizing, you should be very careful what information you reveal about your employer. If this pans out, you would appear to have leaked what could be a major development, and very few employers like leaks...
 
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:37 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 4):
My question is: When do they go into JFK/EWR/LGA?

I'm actually more suprised they haven't taken a stab at MSP, a larger DTW footprint, or even ATL. SFO was probably the second to last airport I thought WN would re-enter anytime soon.*

*- provided there is any truth to this rumor

[Edited 2007-02-09 05:38:17]
 
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:38 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 5):
While I don't want to sound patronizing, you should be very careful what information you reveal about your employer. If this pans out, you would appear to have leaked what could be a major development, and very few employers like leaks...

If nothing else, it would likely make sense - if you are an employee and are going to post information about your employer - to take your name out of your personal profile.

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:39 pm

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 2):
Odd. Will wait for confirmation before further comment. But it seems WN is going after UA. First it goes to DEN, and now to SFO, both UA hubs, both markets they left.
Very interesting.

UA hubs: ORD, SFO, IAD, LAX, DEN
WN corresponding locales: MDW, OAK/SFO, IAD/BWI, LAX/ONT/BUR.., DEN

I think WN has UA pretty much covered..
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:39 pm

Any guess at their first cities?
I'd say ONT, GEG, LAS, PHX, SAN, PHL, and a Florida city.

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:39 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
I'm actually more suprised they haven't taken a stab at MSP, a larger DTW footprint, or even ATL. SFO was probably the second to last airport I thought WN would re-enter anytime soon.

True, MSP has seemed like a logical spot for them to go. ATL? I guess after the AirTran buyout they'll have plenty of gates.  Smile

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:40 pm

Better watch those LGA slots. Had DL and US gone through and the combined company were required to give up/sell/lease slots, WN would be a major player at LGA. Lots of "ifs," but it would have happened.

It's just a matter of time. JFK or EWR. Something is going to happen in NYC.

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:40 pm

Get out of the city I don't believe it...

You are you joking right? I don't think any new city announcement has ever been done at a message to the field. However, nothing would surprise me these days. If so, certainly trying to head off Virgin America, and maybe the new AS and F9 service to SoCal.
 
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:40 pm

To be honest, I wish WN would stay out of SFO.
 
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:41 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
SFO was probably the second to last airport I thought WN would re-enter anytime soon.

..that got me wondering also.. scratchchin 

I would expect to see LGA before SFO...

..ORD would be probably one of the last airports (along with JFK and DFW) I would see WN landing at....
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:41 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 5):
While I don't want to sound patronizing, you should be very careful what information you reveal about your employer. If this pans out, you would appear to have leaked what could be a major development, and very few employers like leaks...

WN has over 32,000 employees, kinda hard to keep secrets.
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:42 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
*- provided there is any truth to this rumor

Good point. This could all be, well, an error. But it's a juicy one.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 9):
I'd say ONT, GEG, LAS, PHX, SAN, PHL, and a Florida city.

GEG seems unlikely, at least early on. LAS, PHX, sure. MDW? BWI? BNA? Or maybe DENVER?

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:42 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 5):
While I don't want to sound patronizing, you should be very careful what information you reveal about your employer. If this pans out, you would appear to have leaked what could be a major development, and very few employers like leaks...

WN would not have a "Message to the field" that they would not want spread around.

Anything that needs to be kept a secret would not be told to a bunch of flight attendants and pilots.

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:43 pm

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 13):
To be honest, I wish WN would stay out of SFO.

You and me both, I'd rather see Virgin America get a stab at things.

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:43 pm

Quoting SWAFA27 (Reply 15):

WN has over 32,000 employees, kinda hard to keep secrets.

i still suggest removing your name from your profile, just in case.  Smile
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:44 pm

Quoting SWAFA27 (Reply 15):
WN has over 32,000 employees, kinda hard to keep secrets.

You don't want it to go to 31,999 over a message board post, though.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 17):
Anything that needs to be kept a secret would not be told to a bunch of flight attendants and pilots

All the more reason to question this entire (fun) thread.

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:44 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 10):
ATL? I guess after the AirTran buyout they'll have plenty of gates.

WN can tango with other LCC.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 9):
Any guess at their first cities?
I'd say ONT, GEG, LAS, PHX, SAN, PHL, and a Florida city.

I think we should all tap the brakes for a moment. Rumors are rumors until proven accurate.
 
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:46 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 21):
I think we should all tap the brakes for a moment. Rumors are rumors until proven accurate.

Ya, I'm starting to feel like a lemming.

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:47 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 21):
I think we should all tap the brakes for a moment. Rumors are rumors until proven accurate.

Guesses. I'm just speculating this incase this info is true. If not, its all for naught.

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:49 pm

Quoting SWAFA27 (Thread starter):

UA had "let go" several on this board for posting certain things in the past, I would think WN is the same.
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:51 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 20):
All the more reason to question this entire (fun) thread.

I don't doubt that WN said it to their employees at all. WN loves some type of hype going on. Assigned seating, international flights, IFE, meals, business class, HI flights (on their own equipment), Wright Amendment, AA vs WN.

I don't doubt they are constantly looking into these things, just enough to say they are without getting into trouble, yet creating rumors that spread like wildfire.

Some rag will print WN to SFO or at least question it.

Oh my, lookie here. No, really, right here on a.net.

Gotta love WN!

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:54 pm

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 24):

UA had "let go" several on this board for posting certain things in the past, I would think WN is the same.

Good point, I've removed my name from my profile  
Although in such a big venue as a "Message" it would be very hard for a couple of hundred WN employees not to say anything to "outsiders" know what I mean?

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:55 pm

I heard we might starting up BPT...  Wink
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:57 pm

I have heard WN starting service in MSP,CLT,RIC or even service in to some whare in FL. so untill it is office you never know whare WN will start Service
 
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:05 pm

Maybe even DET too, like DET-BPT....
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:06 pm

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 2):
Odd. Will wait for confirmation before further comment. But it seems WN is going after UA. First it goes to DEN, and now to SFO, both UA hubs, both markets they left.
Very interesting.

don't forget IAD!!!! they'll have all the big domestic UA markets covered...

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
I would expect to see LGA before SFO...

don't forget WN tries to maximize flight time... out of SFO there are less delays as compared to LGA... I wouldn't be surprised if they avoided the NYC market for a while, or at least until the delay situation becomes manageable..
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:11 pm

Another WN employee has posted this on FlyerTalk. Could be announced as early as Friday.
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:11 pm

Quoting SWAFA27 (Reply 26):
big venue as a "Message" it would be very hard for a couple of hundred WN employees not to say anything to "outsiders" know what I mean?

true. but whos to say they cant trim the number of employees leaking that info to the outsiders  Wink
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:12 pm

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 9):
Any guess at their first cities?
I'd say ONT, GEG, LAS, PHX, SAN, PHL, and a Florida city.

Maybe this means FATBig grin  Silly
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:13 pm

An unrelated point, but could someone please tell me how slot-constrained and delay-prone LAX, a very busy airport, is? LAX is WN's 8th most-served airport with about 118 daily flights.
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:15 pm

Grrrreat...let's add a few more airplanes to the mix in SFO on GDP days like today.
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:15 pm

LAX does not have slots.
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:15 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 29):
Maybe even DET too, like DET-BPT

How about TCS?

Then you could have the TCS-BPT-DET dream flight  Wink
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:15 pm

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 30):

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
I would expect to see LGA before SFO...

don't forget WN tries to maximize flight time... out of SFO there are less delays as compared to LGA... I wouldn't be surprised if they avoided the NYC market for a while, or at least until the delay situation becomes manageable..

..true, but they did pull out of SFO due to weather delays, etc....that being said, they already have about 42% of pax share out of SJC and 61% pax share out of OAK....why have three such close operations?

..not to mention, LGA would allow WN to service "downtown NYC" as well as parts of NJ and other NY borroughs.......

...just a thought..
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:30 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 16):
GEG seems unlikely, at least early on. LAS, PHX, sure. MDW? BWI? BNA? Or maybe DENVER?

I'm gonna agree with this. This is the typical start-up markets for WN and all are major connecting points in their routing system. It only seems like the logical choice to start flights into these markets. Especially if they have strong demand to OAK, like BNA and others have had for a while.
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:36 pm

Would SFO-FLL be possible?

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:39 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 34):
An unrelated point, but could someone please tell me how slot-constrained and delay-prone LAX, a very busy airport, is?

LAX is neither slot-constrained nor delay-prone. The layout and weather mean that the airport has some of the best airfield capacity in the world.
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:40 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 34):
An unrelated point, but could someone please tell me how slot-constrained and delay-prone LAX, a very busy airport, is? LAX is WN's 8th most-served airport with about 118 daily flights.

LAX does not have slots and is actually one of the least delay prone airports in the country.

According to DOT stats it ranked #5 out of the top 31 airports in the nation for full year 2005 ontime departures. (have not seen the full 2006 numbers yet)

The airport in many ways is blessed by the good Southern California weather and ability to simultaneously use all four runways which provides hourly capacity rate in excess of 120 movements.

As far as SWA, they are very much boxed in at LAX, having been stuck at 110 or so daily flights now for 5+ years due to lack available gates at their terminal.
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:41 pm

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 40):
Would SFO-FLL be possible?

Probably not. WN currently does not have any nonstop service from Northern California to anywhere in Florida. You're talking scraping-the-bottom-of-the-barrel on yield there.
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:43 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 42):

LAX does not have slots and is actually one of the least delay prone airports in the country.

According to DOT stats it ranked #5 out of the top 31 airports in the nation for full year 2005 ontime departures. (have not seen the full 2006 numbers yet)

The airport in many ways is blessed by the good Southern California weather and ability to simultaneously use all four runways which provides hourly capacity rate in excess of 120 movements.

As far as SWA, they are very much boxed in at LAX, having been stuck at 110 or so daily flights now for 5+ years due to lack available gates at their terminal.

Thanks. A well-explained answer.  Smile
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:44 pm

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 43):

Probably not. WN currently does not have any nonstop service from Northern California to anywhere in Florida. You're talking scraping-the-bottom-of-the-barrel on yield ther

true. I would expect an SFO-FLL route to come from B6, AA, or US.

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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:44 pm

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 43):
Probably not. WN currently does not have any nonstop service from Northern California to anywhere in Florida. You're talking scraping-the-bottom-of-the-barrel on yield there.

Not really, and the CASM is excellent because of the stage lengths. CA-Florida yield is not like NE-Florida yield.
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:03 pm

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 45):
true. I would expect an SFO-FLL route to come from B6, AA, or US.

B6 flies OAK-FLL once daily.
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:05 pm

WN going into SFO is an interesting rumor, but it goes against the statements management was making over the past several months about a new city in 2007 being unlikely. I would say that anything said in a venue as large as a SWA Message to the Field is unlikely to be considered highly confidential, given that you can expect that many people will talk. It also seems a bit strange that WN would go through the whole exercise of a schedule change today (along with announcing several new flights) and then turn around and announce a new city the next day.

All that said, Southwest's market niche is short-haul, especially in California. One should certainly expect, if they were to go to SFO, markets like SFO-LAS, SFO-PHX, and possibly SFO-ONT or SFO-BUR. They're short on gates at SAN and LAX (though SAN-SFO was flown up until SFO closed), and SNA is limited by slots. Longer-term, I'd see ABQ (which was flown through the end of 1998), perhaps RNO, PDX, DEN, BOI, or TUS.
 
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RE: WN To SFO!

Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:06 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 46):
Not really, and the CASM is excellent because of the stage lengths. CA-Florida yield is not like NE-Florida yield.

If there was much money to be made on it, I'd have expected WN to start OAK-MCO long ago.

WN has no non-stop CA-FL flights at all, in fact. Closest they get is LAS.

The only nonstop SFO-South Florida service is on AA to Miami.

[Edited 2007-02-09 07:07:15]
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