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Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:04 pm

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We've just made available a neat 90-second program about the interior of the 747-8 Intercontinental. It was filmed inside our remarkable new -8 sales display here in Renton.

My colleague Blake Emery, who has the unique title of Director, Differentiation Strategy, is your host on the audio/visual tour.

You might also want to revisit the 747-8 Website. We've refreshed this site with new imagery on the home page and a "Step Onboard the 747-8" interactive video. The video has "hotspot" links, that when you click on them, take you further inside the airplane - including a look at the upper deck, the entry stairway, views out the windows, and an interactive peek inside the new overhead luggage spaces...

http://www.boeing.com/randy/archives/2007/02/dashing_8.html

Just in time to respond to Airbus' renewed publicity "drive" for the A380 launched ealier this week with a special flight for the media.

See also: Airbus Launches A380 Publicity Drive (by OA260 Feb 7 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:35 am

Hi,

I really like the atmosphere. It looks wide, open and elegant. New bins are much appreciated. The 787 legacy in interior design is amazing. It fits well within the 747. I hope to fly the bird any time soon.

Thanks for the link.
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:35 am

Man, that wing is crazy!

And I thought the 777's wings looked high in-flight...

And the nice thing is, items like lighting and overhead bins and ceiling design will generally be taken up by most customers.  thumbsup 
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:12 am

Check the transition from the 744 to 748.... very cool....

http://www.newairplane.com/747/en-US...eatures/LiftingProfits/NewRevenues
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:13 am

Those look like some big windows. My first reaction was "Oops, they're showing the 787 windows," but then the audio says the new 747 will have bigger windows.

I thought they were taking the window belt from the 777 which I thought meant the new 747 would use 777 windows. But the windows shown seem to be even larger.
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:29 am

Has this weeks A380 media buzz got Randys attention.......hmmm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Man, that wing is crazy!

I wonder will the wings actually be that curved, they look straight at the end of the video where the 747 is parked at the terminal.

That new airplane website is fabulous.
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:33 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
I wonder will the wings actually be that curved, they look straight at the end of the video where the 747 is parked at the terminal.

I imagine flight loadings will bring them up, just as the 777's get taller in flight then when on the ground (though they still have a pronounced "lift" to them on the ground).
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:02 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Has this weeks A380 media buzz got Randys attention.......hmmm

Maybe, they have had the cabin showroom on the home page for a while http://www.airbus.com/cabin-showroom/preview/index.jsp?article=0

The blue lighting on the 747-8i looks familiar on the A350  Smile
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting Rpaillard (Reply 1):
The 787 legacy in interior design is amazing

I think the 747-400ER (777) legacy also is remarkable.

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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:27 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 7):
The blue lighting on the 747-8i looks familiar on the A350

Have airbus even launched the A350XWB cabin yet? That 'Vision' thing hust looks like a mongral!

[Edited 2007-02-10 23:28:07]
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Man, that wing is crazy!

It's just the new fashion in computer renderings, on both sides of the Atlantic. The 747-8 wing is structurally identical (with some reinforcement of course) to the 747-400, so you should expect a similar amount of flex in reality.

In the same vein, I'll bet a four-pack of the best Unibroue beer that the 787's wings will not flex half as much as depicted in the computer renderings.  airplane 
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 10):
The 747-8 wing is structurally identical (with some reinforcement of course) to the 747-400, so you should expect a similar amount of flex in reality.

The curvy wingtip extensions generate more lift outboard, so the whole wing is bound to flex upward more.
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:04 am

Quoting Areopagus (Reply 11):
The curvy wingtip extensions generate more lift outboard, so the whole wing is bound to flex upward more.

Yeah but look at the head on rendering on the website, its crazy. Theres no way it will bend that much if its structurally tha same as a -400 wing. It looks like that 777 testframe wind just before it snapped!
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:04 am

So after looking at these photos of the inside of the 747-8 it got me thinking. I was under the impression that airlines put there own interiors in their planes, so wouldn't it be hit or miss on weather the airline that you fly on actually looks like that.
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:17 pm

Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 13):
I was under the impression that airlines put there own interiors in their planes, so wouldn't it be hit or miss on weather the airline that you fly on actually looks like that.

Mostly airlines determine the seating models installed. Things like the walls, ceilings and lighting are supplied by the manufacturer. Now, an airline could choose to go with white light instead of colored, but chromatherapy has it's boosters.  Smile

As for bins, an airline can source them, as well, however most seem to go with what the manufacturer offers. Most 777s seem to have the "Boeing Signature" bins, for example.
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:15 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 7):
The blue lighting on the 747-8i looks familiar on the A350

It's a "mood" lighting feature on all airplanes so equipped.
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:30 pm

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 10):
The 747-8 wing is structurally identical (with some reinforcement of course) to the 747-400, so you should expect a similar amount of flex in reality.

Isn't the 748 wing a new composite design?
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:59 am

Quoting Justloveplanes (Reply 16):

Isn't the 748 wing a new composite design?

No. The aluminum structure and general layout (planform) are the same as the 747-400. The differences are a reprofiled airfoil, wingtip extensions, and redesigned high lift devices. In other words, a "new wing"  devil 
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:03 am

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 17):
In other words, a "new wing"

Ie, the '747-400 wing MkII'  Big grin
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:02 am

So what's the deal with the windows? Are they using 787 window size in the 748i? Sure does look like it.
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting Khobar (Reply 19):
Are they using 787 window size in the 748i? Sure does look like it.

Correct. Im not sure if they are 100% identical to those on the 787 but they are much larger than 747-400 windows.
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting Khobar (Reply 4):

I thought they were taking the window belt from the 777 which I thought meant the new 747 would use 777 windows. But the windows shown seem to be even larger.

It looks like they are, read the linked flight global article:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-boeing-unveils-interiors-at.html

Boeing 787 architecture styles have been used for the shaping and lighting of the interior ceiling and sidewall paneling as well as 777 style windows. The 787 styles have been achieved with careful interior sculpting, but “have been executed completely differently” using the conventional trim, main deck and upper deck floor beams and fittings of the existing 747 design. The 777 windows (388mm [15.3in] tall and 273mm wide) are larger than those of the 747, and have been adopted as part of a decision to use the 777-style structural window belt.
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 21):
The 777 windows (388mm [15.3in] tall and 273mm wide) are larger than those of the 747, and have been adopted as part of a decision to use the 777-style structural window belt.

I wonder would it be possible to fit those on the 737?
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 21):
The 777 windows (388mm [15.3in] tall and 273mm wide) are larger than those of the 747, and have been adopted as part of a decision to use the 777-style structural window belt.

Have you watched the 748i video? Maybe the lack of the window shade on the 748i is throwing me off - the windows just look a whole lot bigger on the 748i than on 777's.

Anyway, thanks for the info - I knew I had read that somewhere, and now I know I have not lost my mind, yet.
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"

Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:36 am

Quoting Khobar (Reply 23):
Have you watched the 748i video? Maybe the lack of the window shade on the 748i is throwing me off - the windows just look a whole lot bigger on the 748i than on 777's.

Thats what I was thinking, unless the interior window shade is bigger than the actual window?