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DL Africa Routes

Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:33 pm

Good evening, I was wondering how the new DL Africa routes are doing. I noticed the JFK-ACC route for FEB didn't look to be very full in F and about 1/2 to 3/4 full in Y. I think ATL-JNB is doing better. I know the route is new but are loads what DL expected, and are they planning more routes to the continent in the near future ? Again thank you for any info.
 
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:58 pm

Quoting Deltasju777 (Thread starter):
and are they planning more routes to the continent in the near future ?

I am not sure but here is my wishlist:
CMN
CAI (I think this will happen some time or another)
CPT
LOS
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:34 pm

I glanced at delta.com for JFK-ACC departing on 2/19 and returning a week later... the flights look 2/3 full in economy, 1/3 full in first... but economy seats are being sold for $2,000 roundtrip (H fares) and business elite seats are being sold for $6,000 roundtrip (D fares). With advanced purchase, they are offering "bargain" economy tickets at $1,200 roundtrip (U fares) for a March itinerary.

May be more profitable than selling those $198 JFK-LGW economy tickets...
 
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:49 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 1):
I am not sure but here is my wishlist:
CMN
CAI (I think this will happen some time or another)
CPT
LOS

I would add NBO onto that list

Quoting 28thguy (Reply 2):
I glanced at delta.com for JFK-ACC departing on 2/19 and returning a week later... the flights look 2/3 full in economy, 1/3 full in first

From what I heard, the seat maps on the aircraft you see when you book tickets are not always correct. There are PAX on there as well that do not choose their seating via Travel Agent or just not selecing one on a website. So some of those seats might even still be taken and the load may be 25 seats still available instead of 40 that it shows on the seat map.
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:59 pm

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 3):
I would add NBO onto that list

isnt NBO already good served via AMS and CDG on a code-share flight or at leas a potencial one before starting flights with own metal, as nonstop would not be possible with current fleet....
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:14 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
isnt NBO already good served via AMS and CDG on a code-share flight or at leas a potencial one before starting flights with own metal, as nonstop would not be possible with current fleet....

I do not think that AF flys into NBO. At least last time I checked I thought they did not. And KL flys for CO as well. Kinda a bummer because would be nice for DL to try to get some flights just for themselfs in there. It is just my opinion of course.
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:19 pm

Quoting Deltasju777 (Thread starter):
I think ATL-JNB

Will they fly with the 772LRs to JNB?
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:27 pm

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 5):
I do not think that AF flys into NBO. At least last time I checked I thought they did not. And KL flys for CO as well. Kinda a bummer because would be nice for DL to try to get some flights just for themselfs in there. It is just my opinion of course.

but Kenya Airways do from both AMS and CDG... please correct me if I am wrong.

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RE: DL Africa Routes

Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:43 pm

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 6):
Will they fly with the 772LRs to JNB?

They already fly the route with a 763ER... with a stop in DKR, correct?
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:58 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
isnt NBO already good served via AMS and CDG on a code-share flight or at leas a potencial one before starting flights with own metal, as nonstop would not be possible with current fleet....

Perhaps, but own metal means own cash  Wink . The same as NBO could be said for both ACC and JNB, and yet DL flies there. Codeshares may be good, but own flights are always better. That said, NBO would indeed not be possible, as it would require a 777, all of which are used to the max as is. Unless of course DL pulls a JNB and start something akin to JFK-DKR-NBO, and have DKR as a connecting point for their African ops.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 6):

Will they fly with the 772LRs to JNB?

Sometime down the road, yes, but likely not before 2009 at earliest. First 2 77Ls are scheduled for either JFK-BOM (if they 772s on that route could be used for ATL-China), or ATL-HKG as a new route. From 2009, ATL-JNB nonstop could be an option, even more so if yields and loads remain high.
 
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:08 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 1):
CAI (I think this will happen some time or another)

Confirm:

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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:36 am

Wow! Delta just keeps growing and growing. What type of A/C will the new DXB flight utilize. I know they are short of 777s now so I am assuming 767s (763 or 764). If they are using 767s, I wonder where the flights will stop en route.
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:41 am

Quoting FlyMD (Reply 11):
Wow! Delta just keeps growing and growing. What type of A/C will the new DXB flight utilize. I know they are short of 777s now so I am assuming 767s (763 or 764). If they are using 767s, I wonder where the flights will stop en route.

The new DXB flight will operate nonstop from ATL on the 777. DL is getting around the 777 shortage issue by operating ATL-ICN and ATL-DXB less than daily. ICN will operate 4 days/week with DXB operating 5 days/week.
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:41 am

Quoting FlyMD (Reply 11):
What type of A/C will the new DXB flight utilize.

They will use a 777 on ATL-DXB.
 
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:45 am

Quoting FlyMD (Reply 11):
Wow! Delta just keeps growing and growing. What type of A/C will the new DXB flight utilize.

The DXB 777 will be rotated to ICN on Alternating days, the days we fly to ICN we wont fly to DXB, I just found out about this last week.

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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:46 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 3):
I would add NBO onto that list

 checkmark  I was trying to think of a route in central east Africa and this is what should've popped into my mind. IMO this would be served well as a JFK-CMN-NBO combo. In fact, looking at the Great Circle Mapper the JFK-NBO route passes right over CMN. A perfect fit.

Quoting Belizexp (Reply 10):
Confirm:

Huh?

Quoting FlyMD (Reply 11):
What type of A/C will the new DXB flight utilize

Actually the aircraft is a 777. The 777 doing the DXB route also does ICN. Example: Dubai is something like X123 and ICN is something like X4567.
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:48 am

Is great to see an American airline spreading overseas reminding us of the days of Pan Am and TWA. I just hope they start replacing their 767-300's on long routes such as ATL-JNB.
 
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:58 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 1):
CPT

This one I highly doubt, considering that SA quit flying ATL-CPT over a year prior to dropping service @ ATL. It was only a few times a week service anyway. IIRC, SA made one of their JNB-CPT flights a tag on of the ATL-JNB flight.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 1):
LOS

This route has been attempted out of ATL, IAH, and JFK by WO (Operating on behalf of Ritetime Aviation & Travel) and was said to have been doing fairly well until WO refused to fly the routes because the guy behind Ritetime failed to pay them for services rendered.
 
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:14 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 17):
This one I highly doubt

Bah, we can only hope! Just went to CPT in December and flew DL ATL-JNB but then had to connect on SAA to CPT. On the DL plane, others were talking about having to connect to CPT. CPT is such a nice city, much nicer than JNB, and deserves even more service.
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 18):
deserves even more service

CPT will receive direct services once it is sustainable for an airline to do so. JNB remains the primary hub for air traffic in Southern Africa and at this stage CPT simply can not beat the multitude of domestic, regional and international flights feeding JNB.


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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:10 am

Does anyone have a route map showing DL's international flights? I've already lost track of some... they keep adding cities like, every other month or so!

Thanks!
 
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:20 am

the routes are doing ok.

Quoting Jj (Reply 20):
Does anyone have a route map showing DL's international flights? I've already lost track of some... they keep adding cities like, every other month or so!

Thanks!

there's some great route maps over at www.airlineroutemaps.com

Delta's specific: http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/USA/Delta_Airlines.shtml
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:46 am

Thanks a lot! I'd never heard of that web site...
 
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:47 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 21):
there's some great route maps over at www.airlineroutemaps.com

I just checked that site for DL. They are pretty out of date.
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:08 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 9):
Perhaps, but own metal means own cash



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 9):
Perhaps, but own metal means own cash . The same as NBO could be said for both ACC and JNB, and yet DL flies there. Codeshares may be good, but own flights are always better. That said, NBO would indeed not be possible, as it would require a 777, all of which are used to the max as is. Unless of course DL pulls a JNB and start something akin to JFK-DKR-NBO, and have DKR as a connecting point for their African ops.

are you sure about your statment that own metal means own cash ??? you really think the airline are feeding there code-sahre partner with passengers wihtout getting anyting.... the system is a little bit more complex.... on certain routes a lot of airlines have even a 50% / 50% agreement on certain routes like UA / LH or KL / NW over the north-atlantic....
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:28 am

Rome wasn't built ina day. Any Delta servcie to Africa is great since no US airline had any before since Pan Am. To West Africa, Nigeria, Ghana, Senegal and Ivory Coast, 767 are capable for these 7 to 9 hour flights. For South Africa nonstop 772LR will be needed.
 
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:42 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 23):
I just checked that site for DL. They are pretty out of date.

the int'l routes are pretty up to date minus a few lat-am/carib/mex changes...
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:47 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 24):
are you sure about your statment that own metal means own cash ??? you really think the airline are feeding there code-sahre partner with passengers wihtout getting anyting.... the system is a little bit more complex.... on certain routes a lot of airlines have even a 50% / 50% agreement on certain routes like SA)">UA / LH or KL / SA)">NW over the north-atlantic....

Never heard this before. Airlines usually ust put their code on a flight in order to draw more people into their system and another airline. I don't think that airlines share revenue from codeshare flights. It works like this: If Delta starts ATL-DKR-JNB, and codeshares with SA from JNB, additional passengers will travel on both airlines due to the flights being codeshared. But no revenue sharing goes on.

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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:09 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 27):
no revenue sharing goes on.

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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:27 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 27):
Never heard this before. Airlines usually ust put their code on a flight in order to draw more people into their system and another airline. I don't think that airlines share revenue from codeshare flights. It works like this: If Delta starts ATL-DKR-JNB, and codeshares with SA from JNB, additional passengers will travel on both airlines due to the flights being codeshared. But no revenue sharing goes on.

intresting theory.... looks like the airlinebusiness turned into a welfare business....
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:30 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
but Kenya Airways do from both AMS and CDG

I am sorry. I thought you were talking about KL and AF. Well, would it make sense that CO and DL would be code sharing with both KL and KQ on their flights from AMS? To me, that would be to much code sharing. And you are correct as they are SkyTeam Members I believe that they do code share on these flights.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 15):
JFK-CMN-NBO

I am sorry, but what is CMN?
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:33 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 30):
I am sorry, but what is CMN?

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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:33 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 30):
CMN

Casablanca, Morocco
 
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 31):
Casablanca



Quoting Danairbus (Reply 32):
Casablanca, Morocco

Thank you guys. Knowing this, where is there a large population of Moroccans? I think that it would be awesome for DL to start up a small hub in DKR or something like this for their DL Africa operations like CO does in Guam. That could not happen for 6-10 years because of finacnes but still would be a neat idea for someone to get involved in a market that has no American Carriers.
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:06 am

They could also do a JFK - DKR - NBO or JFK - ACC - NBO. With those routes they wouldn't need 777's for it since 767's can handle it. DL has already set up in DKR and ACC and so an extra hop from any of these cities wont be difficult.
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:21 am

Quoting LouA340 (Reply 34):
They could also do a JFK - DKR - NBO or JFK - ACC - NBO

Yes, but plug in JFK-NBO in the Great Circle Mapper. Then plug in JFK-CMN-NBO. CMN is right on the way. Plus you get the benefit of another African destination for DL. Both of the flights are near the same length too. 3752 and 3609 statute miles.
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:24 am

Casablanca isn't on it's way for now.
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:35 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 36):
Casablanca isn't on it's way for now.

How about JFK-CAI-NBO?
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:57 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 27):
But no revenue sharing goes on.

Well, how would you explain this little joint venture KL and NW have had going on for years..

http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/2007/pr020820071740.html

The Association of Strategic Alliance Professionals (ASAP) today named the Northwest Airlines and KLM Royal Dutch Airlines transatlantic joint venture as recipient of its global 2007 ASAP Individual Alliance Excellence Award. The awards recognize and celebrate companies that have achieved dramatic success in their alliances and alliance programs.

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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:08 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 37):

How about JFK-CAI-NBO?

depending on what happens with KQ...

CAI I could see coming back tho
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:14 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 3):
From what I heard, the seat maps on the aircraft you see when you book tickets are not always correct.

Correct, the seatmaps in the case of all airlines and DL is no exception, are not an indicator of load factor - simply assigned or blocked seats.
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:51 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 27):
If Delta starts ATL-DKR-JNB, and codeshares with SA from JNB, additional passengers will travel on both airlines due to the flights being codeshared. But no revenue sharing goes on.

Delta doesn't codeshare with SA. DL teamed up with Nationwide airlines to offer regional African connections.

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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:57 am

Quoting AT502B (Reply 41):

Delta doesn't codeshare with SA. DL teamed up with Nationwide airlines to offer regional African connections.

DL use to codeshare with SA, but SA and DL dropped the codeshare when DL decided to do Africa for itself.
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:05 pm

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 42):
Quoting AT502B (Reply 41):

Delta doesn't codeshare with SA. DL teamed up with Nationwide airlines to offer regional African connections.

DL use to codeshare with SA, but SA and DL dropped the codeshare when DL decided to do Africa for itself.

Exactly, hence DL now codeshares with Nationwide. I don't see your point?!
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:05 pm

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 42):
SA)">DL use to codeshare with SA, but SA and SA)">DL dropped the codeshare when SA)">DL decided to do Africa for itself.

Actually it was when SA decided to join Star. Delta decided to keep flying the routes with its own metal.
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:13 pm

Quoting AT502B (Reply 43):

Exactly, hence SA)">DL now codeshares with Nationwide. I don't see your point?!

Ah, the way you wrote the post, I didn''t know whether or not you knew that SA)">DL used to codeshare with SA. Thats all.
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:14 pm

Quoting 28thguy (Reply 2):
I glanced at delta.com for JFK-ACC departing on 2/19 and returning a week later... the flights look 2/3 full in economy, 1/3 full in first... but economy seats are being sold for $2,000 roundtrip (H fares) and business elite seats are being sold for $6,000 roundtrip (D fares). With advanced purchase, they are offering "bargain" economy tickets at $1,200 roundtrip (U fares) for a March itinerary.

Alitalia has same dates for 680.00 USD + Est. Tax 326,- (standard Fare )
 
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:17 pm

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 27):
Airlines usually ust put their code on a flight in order to draw more people into their system and another airline. I don't think that airlines share revenue from codeshare flights.

Actually, SESGDL, you are correct in stating that airlines put their code on a flight in order to increase their market reach, but they do, in fact, share revenue as well. It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense if they didn't.

For instance, DL codeshares with Air France. Delta will fly a passenger from, say, Mobile, Alabama to Atlanta and then on to Paris, where that passenger can connect to an Air France flight to Ouagadougou under the DL code. DL would (depending on the type of revenue sharing agreement in place) keep all the revenue for the MOB-ATL-CDG portion, but the CDG-OUA revenue would be divided 70/30 in AF's favor.

As far as the types of revenue sharing involved, DL has an agreement that apportions certain percentages of revenue based on type of fare sold, and portion of total route flown by specific carrier (as in example above)...and DL can sell as many seats as possible on AF's CDG-OUA flights, as long as AF has seats available. That type of codeshare is called a soft block (the block of seats available is variable).

Virgin Atlantic had "hard block" codeshares with other carriers in the past...meaning other carriers could buy, say, 50 seats from Virgin on their JFK-LHR flight, everyday, for an average of $400. The purchasing carrier then had to turn around an sell those seats as their own code, hopefully for more than the $400 they bought them for. Virgin made $400 regardless, the other carrier made whatever was left over (if anything).
 
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:32 am

I was wondering if there were any updates on DL's flights so far. How are they doing? Will we see any growth in these routes in terms of frequencies or aircrafts in the near future??
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RE: DL Africa Routes

Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:27 am

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 47):
Virgin Atlantic had "hard block" codeshares with other carriers in the past...meaning other carriers could buy, say, 50 seats from Virgin on their JFK-LHR flight, everyday, for an average of $400. The purchasing carrier then had to turn around an sell those seats as their own code, hopefully for more than the $400 they bought them for. Virgin made $400 regardless, the other carrier made whatever was left over (if anything).

Crazy thing about that. A couple years ago when they code-shared with Continental, the CO-coded flights SFO-LHR on VS, were cheaper than the CO flight SFO-EWR-LHR....by almost $200.
Needless to say I took the flight on VS metal.
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