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Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:06 am

http://aspenairport.homestead.com/

Starting on April 9th aspen airport will be closed for 60 days. Guess I'll have to drive out to EGE to escape lol.

P.S. did a topic search and found nothing
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:24 am

I wonder why? Thats a long time for such an important airport. Looks like a good time for United to give Mesa the boot and find someone else to serve aspen. I would not miss those mesa Dash-8's not even a little bit  duck 
 
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting Freakfor747 (Thread starter):
P.S. did a topic search and found nothing

Actually they have a fact sheet on the runway rebuilding project on their website.

http://aspenairport.homestead.com/fct.aspenairport_060130.pdf
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting SkyWest700 (Reply 1):
I wonder why? Thats a long time for such an important airport.

Taking a 7,000 by 100 foot runway down to bare earth and back (not to mention all the inter-related infrastructure stuff) in 60 days is no small feat. As far as the importance of the airport, it has to be done sometime, and they chose the slowest 60-day period in which to do it.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
Actually they have a fact sheet on the runway rebuilding project on their website.

Somehow, I suspect the "topic search" he was referring to was his having checked Anet to see if it'd previously been discussed....  Wink
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:00 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
Somehow, I suspect the "topic search" he was referring to was his having checked Anet to see if it'd previously been discussed....

I was referring to the topic search on Anet as OPNLguy said. Sorry for the confusion.
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:37 am

Darn... I go to ASE a lot and this is a HUGE inconvenience. What are they doing to the runway?

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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:44 am

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 5):
What are they doing to the runway?

Check out the "Information and Myths" section of the site linked by the OP...
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:11 pm

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 5):
Darn... I go to ASE a lot and this is a HUGE inconvenience. What are they doing to the runway?

Rebuilding it from scratch. They wear out, like any other pavement. Unfortunately, ASE is an airport with only one runway and there is no other way to do it. The fact that they can do this whole project in 60 days is pretty amazing.
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:48 pm

We had an article in the daily paper here in EGE saying that United is increasing capacity into and out of EGE by 112% during the Aspen closure. Last time I looked at the schedule we are keeping 5 daily Dash 8's into EGE as well as the 2 daily A320's until the end of April. It then drops to 7 Dash 8's during the day. It's usually 3 that time of year.

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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:31 pm

Quoting SkyWest700 (Reply 1):
I would not miss those mesa Dash-8's not even a little bit

I thought UA had CR7s going into ASE now? Or did they scrap that (they were doing test flights about a year back IIRC)...
 
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:52 pm

The sensitive environment, the distance equipment, materials and construction workers have to brought in from and so on seems to me to make it a very tight schedule. They are apparently making a number of improvements for safety, better for handling plowed snow, and trying to get a lot of badly needed and long delayed work done. Let's hope the work all goes well and makes it a safer airport.
 
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:52 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 9):
I thought UA had CR7s going into ASE now? Or did they scrap that (they were doing test flights about a year back IIRC)...

They still have them...most of the flights are actually all OO flights these days, with service from DEN, SFO, SLC, ORD, LAX, and DEN. All CRJ700's, with the exception of a couple of DSH-8's from YV every now and then from DEN.
 
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:55 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 10):
Let's hope the work all goes well and makes it a safer airport.

After looking at this video someone sent me the other day (and also thinking back to that bizjet crash), ASE strikes me as one of those places where the real quantum leap in safety is going to be derived from aircraft-based improvements versus what's on the ground. (Unless they're going to blow up a sizeable chunk of terrain out there....)  



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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:16 am

Awesome video (Im assuming thats the new TAWS HUDS system that Gulfstream demoed?)

Anywho its awesome to see that new technology, thanks for posting that here!

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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:43 am

Quoting ATCT (Reply 13):
Im assuming thats the new TAWS HUDS system that Gulfstream demoed?)

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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:07 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
Taking a 7,000 by 100 foot runway down to bare earth and back (not to mention all the inter-related infrastructure stuff) in 60 days is no small feat.

I love flying into Aspen.

I remember reading about how they rebuilt a runway in Frankfurt a year or two ago. They closed the runway each night, and worked like a finely tuned machine through the night, breaking-up about a 50 ft section (I am guessing the length, I don't remember exactly) and reconstructing/repaving it, so that it would be strong enough for the arriving flights from Asia the next morning. Then the next evening, they would rip out and rebuild the next 50 ft. section. This way the runway never "closed." It was interesting that the Asian airlines had already departed and were flying all night towards a runway that was chopped into two pieces until shortly before their arrival.

Of course - to work in this manner, with the priority being keeping the runway open every day, must be very costly, so Aspen's traffic does not justify the extra expense, I would imagine. 7,000 ft divded by 50 ft per night would be 140 days, plus the added expense of a highly defined construction procedure.

Quoting Dinker225 (Reply 8):
United is increasing capacity into and out of EGE by 112%

What is the drive like from Vail? How long does it take? I imagine some busses will be set up by United, no?
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:26 am

Quoting ATCT (Reply 13):
Awesome video (Im assuming thats the new TAWS HUDS system that Gulfstream demoed?)

The video shows up at least a couple of times on YouTube, one labeled as a F-16, and another labeled as a Lear 60 landing using Honeywell's FLIR system.

Here's a day VMC version from a Lear 60, so compare with the FLIR version as far as the terrain goes..

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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:43 am

Hopefully the weather holds out for our Lifeguard flights...... we can get Rotorwing in if the weather is good if it's below our minimums for our Rotorwing and the airport is closed then it could get interesting to get someone out


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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:51 am

Quoting SkyWest700 (Reply 1):
Looks like a good time for United to give Mesa the boot and find someone else to serve aspen. I would not miss those mesa Dash-8's not even a little bit

Hmm... Too bad that YV bested Skywest in on-time performance in the United express system with last weeks release of numbers. Looks like Mesa was the number one regional in on-time performance, even dealing with United's CORA system.

Mesa is not that bad folks...and I for one would prefer to ride on the DASH than the Brasilia any day.
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:33 am

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 15):
What is the drive like from Vail? How long does it take? I imagine some busses will be set up by United, no?

Over 100 miles and a little over 2 hrs, Aspen to Vail, if the traffic behaves and in good weather. That's about 30 miles farther than just driving Aspen to Eagle, however, where the aiport is.

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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 7):
Rebuilding it from scratch. They wear out, like any other pavement. Unfortunately, ASE is an airport with only one runway and there is no other way to do it. The fact that they can do this whole project in 60 days is pretty amazing.

The home field, UAO, recently had a similar project done. The only runway, 17/35, was torn up all the way down to the dirt and re-built for higher axle loads.

While the main runway was closed, our field "reverted" to a towered field(!). We are the third busiest airport on Oregon, and the Air National Guard set up a temporary control tower on the Unicom frequency...(UAO is normally an unctrolled field(!)).

So, you're wondering, what did we use for a runway in the meantime? Well, they marked up good ol' Taxiway Alpha as Runway 17R/35L...all 2230 feet of it by 30' wide. It was a trip operating the Cessna from the field while all this was going on...they even brought out the large blinking X's Big grin

I'm wondering if ASE will still be open to GA traffic in a similar fashion  Wink
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:34 am

IMO, ASE is an accident waiting to happen--again. Too many people push (or are pushed) to get in there to avoid the "life altering inconvenience" of driving from EGE or RIL.

C680--You must not operate the Gulfstream with the EVS/FLIR shown in the demo. It is a $1M boat anchor. We have three aircraft so equipped and not once has anyone seen the runway environment via the EVS before it could be seen with the naked eye.

The only pilots who like it and think it's great are the Gulfstream demo pilots and Flight Test. TC
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:39 am

Quoting Caspian27 (Reply 18):
Hmm... Too bad that YV bested Skywest in on-time performance in the United express system

Exactly. I'm no huge fan of Mesa, but the fact remains that their performance figures don;t lie when it comes to the United system, Higher on time percentage (into many of the same difficult airports that OO runs into), higher completion percentage, fewer customer complaints than other UAex carriers (yes that one suprised me too), and their contract is less expensive to UAL as Skywests.

I'm not trying to suggest that Mesa is wonderful, in fact I hold OO in a higher esteem then I do Mesa, but those numbers don;t really lie.
 
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:21 pm

Quoting AA717driver (Reply 21):
IMO, ASE is an accident waiting to happen--again. Too many people push (or are pushed) to get in there to avoid the "life altering inconvenience" of driving from EGE or RIL.

Come on.



You guys should see the huge pile of aggregate they are amassing so that they can get this thing done on time. Anyone know if the CR 900 can fly in here?
 
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:00 pm

What concerns are there for operating say the 737-700ER with the short field kit. I know its banned by rule, but is this based on the politics of the area, or is there vaild converns with operating the larger aircraft out of aspen?

and as impressive as the FLIR is in the demo, I would have some severe concerns about it as at times the normal image was as or more important. Since the video doesn't show how the pilot actualy views its output, it leaves me with no idea how its used in actual operation.
 
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:18 pm

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 24):
What concerns are there for operating say the 737-700ER with the short field kit. I know its banned by rule, but is this based on the politics of the area, or is there vaild converns with operating the larger aircraft out of aspen?

We have a very politically active local population here, who would never let anything larger than a regional jet fly here. Also, surprisingly enough, Aspen has some of the worst air quality in Colorado behind the front range and much of that is due to aircraft emissions. While larger aircraft with less frequencies might actually reduce the total carbon footprint of the airport, people would never see it that way, they would see it as a larger plane that puts more junk in the air. So concerns, yes, valid, I can't say. I think I even recall seeing bumper stickers a few years ago that said "no 737s in Aspen/"

I don't know anything about aircraft capabilities, but my instinct says the 73 couldn't climb out of here with one engine without hitting any of the surrounding ridges thus eliminating it from the running before we locals can even complain about it.
 
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:43 pm

certainly TO performance is a concern, however I would assume that any 737 used would use the short field kit at a minimum, and I would assume a CRJ has worse takeoff performance, though the steep gilde path I've heard about might be an issue.
 
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:02 pm

Are there emergency contingency plans to get shipments of Grey Poupon in there?
 
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 27):
Are there emergency contingency plans to get shipments of Grey Poupon in there?

Yes, we also have a flight that ferries Pomeranians from HPN 1x daily on a global express.
 
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:33 pm

Well this shouldn't that big a deal since the construction is all planned during "mud season," at the very end of ski season as the areas shut down and before the summer tourist season begins. Thus, the skier traffic will not be there, and many of the jet-setters go to their other vacation homes during this time of the year. Snow at the lower elevations isn't a big issue then so the drive from Aspen to Eagle shouldn't be too bad in regards to weather. It is very do-able in 90 minutes over to Eagle. The work needs to be done one way or another, but I'm pretty sure that the pomerainian traffic from HPN dips during this time too, as I think they start flying them down to Marco Island & Cabo during April anyways.

As for 737's, there is no business reason for them in there anyways. Who would even operates a 73Gs with the short field kit anyways. There is no reason to outfit a small subfleet just for this one airport. Plus the 73G would be overkill into ASE, adding too many seats, and thus diluting the high yields, not to mention overwhelming the airport and potential safety issues and NIMBY protests.
 
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:41 pm

Quoting ILOVEA340 (Reply 22):
Exactly. I'm no huge fan of Mesa, but the fact remains that their performance figures don;t lie when it comes to the United system, Higher on time percentage (into many of the same difficult airports that OO runs into), higher completion percentage, fewer customer complaints than other UAex carriers (yes that one suprised me too), and their contract is less expensive to UAL as Skywests.

It may be a sign that Mesa is starting to shape up; however, I don't think this is the case. If you look at the UAX jet operation as a whole, SkyWest operates more TOTAL flights than all of the other jet UAX carriers combined, with Mesa the closest of the rest. So while SKW's percentage may be lower than Mesa's, the actual number of flights operated is substantially more.

And, of course, the on-time factor is only one of the categories looked at.
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RE: Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days

Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:04 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 30):
It may be a sign that Mesa is starting to shape up; however, I don't think this is the case. If you look at the UAX jet operation as a whole, SkyWest operates more TOTAL flights than all of the other jet UAX carriers combined, with Mesa the closest of the rest. So while SKW's percentage may be lower than Mesa's, the actual number of flights operated is substantially more.

And, of course, the on-time factor is only one of the categories looked at.

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I was thinking the same thing. I have worked with Mesa pilots and crew before and most are great, but I don't think they can really compare to OO. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I will be trusting your info. Its not that hard to be on time when you have few flights (compared to OO). Its early, but maybe I can find some numbers later.

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