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What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:42 am

I was trying to locate some information regarding AA international ops and wondering what is their largest destination outside the US, including the daily/weekly total of all flights originating in US?

By flight frequency/daily arrivals and departures and seat volume? I am not focused on yeild or perfromance but rather volume.

LHR?
CUN?
YYZ?
MEX?

Others?

Thx for any info.
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:45 am

Probably LHR. Hands down.
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:51 am

can SJU be considered outside the US?

if so, doesn't AA have a hub there?
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:53 am

Quoting Chrisjake (Reply 2):

if so, doesn't AA have a hub there?

They do. It would be the largest base then.
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:53 am

It has to be LHR.
Well I count 14 flights for American from LHR a day.
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:54 am

Quoting CayMan (Thread starter):
By flight frequency/daily arrivals and departures and seat volume?

YYZ has the most flights, AA/AE combined.

LHR has the most seats, all 777's.
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:54 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 3):
They do. It would be the largest base then.

Well actually it is American Eagle....sorry.
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:02 am

Quoting Chrisjake (Reply 2):
can SJU be considered outside the US?

if so, doesn't AA have a hub there?

It is outside of the lower 48 though it is technically part of the USA
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 4):
Well I count 14 flights for American from LHR a day.

#136 LAX-LHR
#090 ORD-LHR
#086 ORD-LHR
#066 ORD-LHR
#046 ORD-LHR
#098 ORD-LHR
#056 MIA-LHR
#156 BOS-LHR
#108 BOS-LHR
#142 JFK-LHR
#100 JFK-LHR
#122 JFK-LHR
#104 JFK-LHR
#132 JFK-LHR
#116 JFK-LHR

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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:45 am

Seems like YYZ might have most frequencies but LHR more seats as they are all 777s.
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:07 am

Quoting Chrisjake (Reply 2):
can SJU be considered outside the US?

if so, doesn't AA have a hub there?

SJU is a US Territory and is a domestic flight.
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:30 am

What about SDQ? AA/AE have a nice presence there... Does not compare to SJU but it's up there



AA / AE Service:

BOS : 3x Weekly Flights : 752
MIA : 33x Weekly Flights: 752 & AB6 Mix
SJU: 35x Weekly Flights: ATR-72, AB6 & 752 Mix
SXM: 7x Weekly Flights: ATR-72
JFK: 21x Weekly Flights: AB6
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:25 am

YYZ sems to have it hands down on frequency

LAX YYZ 1x daily
ORD YYZ 6x daily
MIA YYZ 3x daily
DFW YYZ 3x daily
JFK YYZ 3x daily
LGA YYZ 8x daily
BO YYZ 4x daily

That's 28x daily flights into YYZ including AA and AE. I may have left a city out.

The number of seats into YYZ daily on AA must be close to LHR, but LHR probably still beats it given all 777s and so many of them.
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:57 am

Here are the stats for the week of 20 July 2007, at the peak of the summer schedule season:

London

Total seats/week: 27,440
Total frequencies/week: 112
Average seats/departure: 245 (*assumes reconfigured 777s with FS configuration)
Including:
BOS - 14 777s/week, 3430 seats/week
JFK - 41 777s/week, 10045 seats/week
LAX - 14 777s/week, 3430 seats/week
MIA - 8 777s/week, 1960 seats/week
ORD - 35 777s/week, 8575 seats/week

Toronto

Total seats/week: 18,116
Total frequencies/week: 200
Average seats/departure: ~91
Including:
BOS - 35 ER3s/week, 1295 seats/week
DFW - 21 738s/week, 2982 seats/week
JFK - 21 ER3s/week, 777 seats/week
LAX - 7 738s/week, 994 seats/week
LGA - 7 738s/7 M80s/14 ERDs/28 ER3s/week, 3626 seats/week
MIA - 21 738s/week, 2982 seats/week
ORD - 39 M80s/week, 5460 seats/week

So, as others have already said, Toronto is definitely the winner on frequency but Heathrow blows just about every other foreign station away in terms of capacity -- afterall, the average number of seats per flight at Heathrow is almost three times that of Toronto!
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:24 am

Excellent, thanks for the info! Would I also be correct in assuming that CUN comes 3rd, or some other Mexican destination?
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:31 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10):
SJU is a US Territory and is a domestic flight.

Puerto Rico is a Commonwealth.
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:50 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 15):
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10):
SJU is a US Territory and is a domestic flight.

Puerto Rico is a Commonwealth.

Go to a bank and change a $5 US. If you get back 5 $1 US, you are...well...you get the idea.  Smile Currency tells all.
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:18 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 13):
BOS - 14 777s/week, 3430 seats/week



Quoting Commavia (Reply 13):
MIA - 8 777s/week, 1960 seats/week

Commavia, is BOS going 14x weekly instead of 13x weekly? And MIA maintains the extra Sat. flight?
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:28 am

LHR will 17 777 daily this summer, by grequency seats and every other measure this has to be the niggest AA international station.
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:41 am

Outside of the United States?

Gotta be Miami! That's the nice thing about southern Florida, it's close to the states.
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:43 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 17):
Commavia, is BOS going 14x weekly instead of 13x weekly? And MIA maintains the extra Sat. flight?

Yes, BOS-LHR always goes double-daily in the summer, and MIA always retains the Sat-only 777.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 18):
LHR will 17 777 daily this summer, by grequency seats and every other measure this has to be the niggest AA international station.

16 flights per day - 2x BOS, 2x LAX, 1x MIA, 5x ORD, and 6x JFK.

AA is, IINM, the fourth largest airline at LHR after BA, bmi and Lufthansa.
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:45 am

Quoting Flick70 (Reply 16):
Go to a bank and change a $5 US. If you get back 5 $1 US, you are...well...you get the idea. Currency tells all.

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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:55 am

While AA's presence at YYZ is impressive (in terms of frequency), AA has actually been stagnant at YYZ since the early 80's in terms of growth. The current schedule is 15 mainline (738/M80) + AE. In 1981, AA had 14 daily YYZ (6 D10/8 722) so seat capacity has dropped despite the boom in air travel.

AA incidently is the longest serving carrier to YYZ on a continuing basis. Uninterupted flights and skeds since 1939. Longer than TCA/AC.
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:58 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 20):
AA is, IINM, the fourth largest airline at LHR after BA, bmi and Lufthansa.

I think you forget VS
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:00 am

Quoting Flick70 (Reply 16):
Go to a bank and change a $5 US. If you get back 5 $1 US, you are...well...you get the idea. Currency tells all.

There are several countries that use the US dollar as their currency but are most definitely not part of the US as Puerto Rico is, i.e. Ecuador. Currency does not tell all.
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:21 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 23):
I think you forget VS

I could be wrong, but I believe that AA is actually larger at Heathrow than Virgin.
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:59 pm

Quoting Commavia (Reply 20):
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 17):
Commavia, is BOS going 14x weekly instead of 13x weekly? And MIA maintains the extra Sat. flight?

Yes, BOS-LHR always goes double-daily in the summer, and MIA always retains the Sat-only 777.

They already 2x daily...

AA156 BOS 9:00 AM LHR 8:30 PM 777 6h30m
AA108 BOS 7:10 PM LHR 6:35 AM +1 777 6h25m
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:08 pm

Quoting Commavia (Reply 25):
I could be wrong, but I believe that AA is actually larger at Heathrow than Virgin.

Virgin currently have 21 daily flights from LHR, rising to 23 in the summer.

5 are on 386 seat B744 (13,510 seats/week), 4 on 240 seat A343(6720 seat/week), and 12 on 308 seat A346(25872 seats/week)

Total weekly seats available = 46,102. (rising to 49,462 in the summer)

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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:19 pm

Quoting Flick70 (Reply 16):
Go to a bank and change a $5 US. If you get back 5 $1 US, you are...well...you get the idea. Smile Currency tells all.

Not really. Ecuador uses the US dollar, as well as Cambodia, El Salvador and East Timor. Panama and the Bahamas print their own money, but it is 1:1 with the US dollar, and the two are used interchangeably. In Lebanon, where the exchange rate between the Lebannese pound and US dollar is fixed, US dollars are de facto tender.

[Edited 2007-02-14 07:22:35]
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:50 pm

Quoting Chrisjake (Reply 2):
can SJU be considered outside the US?

if so, doesn't AA have a hub there?

While it is considered an "over water" flight requiring the positive bag match like international flights (HNL as well), SJU is considered a domestic hub.

LHR is the largest foreign outstation in the system.
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:15 pm

SJU is most definately considered a domestic flight

Although you can take advantage of the duty free shops on flights coming int the US  Smile

[Edited 2007-02-14 08:17:53]
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:55 pm

Yep, without doubt its LHR.
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:08 am

What about CCS? CCS has to be pretty big they get a ton of flights, MIA DFW JFK SJU ?
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:35 am

Please forgive my ignorance, but I thought by definition a hub would be an airport/city where said airline funnels a large a amount of traffic through to connecting flights on its on metal as well as having substatial O/D traffic.

So, in my mind and looking at the AA destination map, there aren't too many places outside the US (or its territories) as gateway cities that you can continue onto further destinations without switching to a code share partner. I don't see anything that stands out as a hub unless you want to say that they publish scheduled connections from say SEA to MIA via LHR.
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting Mia (Reply 32):
What about CCS? CCS has to be pretty big they get a ton of flights, MIA DFW JFK SJU ?

In relative terms to some of the other airports mentioned CCS really isn't that major. 4x MIA, 1x DFW, 1x JFK and 1x SJU, 7 daily flights typically and there are many other internationla destinations with more frequency and seats.
 
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RE: What Is Largest AA Station Outside US?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:22 am

SDQ to BOS on a 777 on Fri/Sat I believe.. Ive seen it and been on it. I dont know if its a seasolnal thing though..
 
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