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JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:10 am

I've always wondered if there were any non stop JFK or EWR- HNL flights and then I looked up on amadeus it seemed as though there were none. Can I rely on that of are there in fact direct flights? (that must be a good 9-10h ride I guess)

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Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:13 am

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RE: JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:14 am

Yes, Continental has a daily flight from EWR to HNL (CO15) and return (CO14), currently operated by a 767-400ER.
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RE: JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:14 am

I thought CO had a daily EWR-HNL flight with a 764. Did this get canned?

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Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 2):
Yes, Continental has a daily flight from EWR to HNL (CO15) and return (CO14), currently operated by a 767-400ER.

That is correct.

There are no current non-stop JFK-HNL flights operating. Maybe a future market for DL?!

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RE: JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:20 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 4):
There are no current non-stop JFK-HNL flights operating. Maybe a future market for DL?!

The way DL is expanding, who knows. But they really don't have the equipment for it - their 764 and 777 fleet are much better off being used elsewhere. Unless they suspend the ATL-HNL flight and move it to JFK, I don't see this happening.
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RE: JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:25 am

A question I have been wondering is why Hawaiian doesn't fly HNL-JFK/IAD/BOS/ORD.. I thought for sure that would be 4 must-do markets..
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:33 am

Just a comment on CO EWR-HNL... its a 764, so you have a PTV... not to mention a MEAL! Its the best way to go to the Islands if you live in the NY Metro Area.
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:04 am

I believe Hawaiian once had a DC-10 HNL-JFK flight. However it might have been via LAX?
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 7):
Just a comment on CO EWR-HNL... its a 764, so you have a PTV... not to mention a MEAL! Its the best way to go to the Islands if you live in the NY Metro Area.

Personally, I agree. But keep in mind that if HNL is not your final destination, there are direct flights to numerous other Hawaii airports from the West Coast. Some people prefer that.

Additionally, many tours include the option of a stayover in LA or SF. This is especially appealing to honeymooners, who may not be thrilled with the prospect of hopping on a 10 hour flight to the Islands!
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:26 am

UA flew JFK-HNL nonstop, eons ago..... with a DC-8 no less.
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:17 am

Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 10):
UA flew JFK-HNL nonstop, eons ago..... with a DC-8 no less.

A dc-8? That's impressive, to say the least!!
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:17 am

Hmmm, I'm wondering why Americans would go all the way to Hawaii from the East Coast for a holiday when the Caribbean and even Ibiza in the Med would be closer. Plus, you actually get to go another country, maybe even try speaking a foreign language, etc.. But, I guess Hawaii's marketing machine works and still attracts the hordes. Haven't been yet, but I think there's so many other islands I'd want to visit first... oh well...
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RE: JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:24 am

Quoting Jammin (Reply 12):
I'm wondering why Americans would go all the way to Hawaii from the East Coast

I don't understand this myself either. I'd rather go to South Cone (Argentina/Chile/Uruguay) during Northern winter which is similar distance but pretty much same time zone  Smile
 
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RE: JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:25 am

One thing I don't get is why don't Caribbean airline fly to more East Coast destinations?

If you look at the west coast and Canada: Westjet, Air Canada, Mexicana, AeroMexico, Hawaiian, Aloha, etc.. seem to serve so many large, medium, and small markets..

But if you look at the east coast, Caribbean airlines seem to serve only the majors MIA, FLL, NYC, ATL, and PHL. There are so many more opportunities out there.. and they don't have to offer daily service.. something weekly would do.. but I don't think they market themselves as well as they could.. would most travelers to NAS, MBJ, STT, etc rather connect in ATL, CLT, MIA or fly nonstop? Does it matter if they fly on a 777, 738, or CR7/E70? Not really.. as long as they can make it to their destinations with their bags in one piece within 15 minutes of their scheduled arrival..

So that's why I think a lot of East Coasters fly to HAWAII.. it's a luxury trip and if you have to connect, you might as well connect to HAWAII.. and Hawaii is pushed in your face all the time.. every tv show, game show, etc.. has Hawaii as an exotic getaway.. when in truth we do have some right below us.. but, it's all about advertising and opportunities..

Hmm.. hope i wasn't rambling.. if I was. please excuse..  Smile
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RE: JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:12 am

CO in the 1980s flew JFK-HNL-SYD with a DC-10-30, the flight operated out of the Eastern Airlines Terminal. CO moved the flight to EWR when they opened Terminal C in 1988, however they suspended the flight for nine years relaunching nonstop EWR-HNL in 1997 with a DC-10-30. EWR-HNL switched to a 767-400 around 2001.

Honolulu is important to CO for a couple of reasons,

1.) HNL is a major maintenance facility for CO's widebodies, particulary their 767-400s. They need to rotate their 767-400s to HNL to recieve maintenance so it makes sense to offer revenue flights between EWR and HNL.

2.) HNL is the connecting point between the Continental US and their Micronesian network, they fly to Los Angeles, Houston, Newark, Nagoya, Guam , Majuro, Kwajalein, Kosrea, Pohnpei, Truck (Chuuk) from HNL.

Here's more about CO's Honolulu maintenance base:

http://www.mortenson.com/projects/project_profile.html?projects__id=82
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RE: JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6):
A question I have been wondering is why Hawaiian doesn't fly HNL-JFK/IAD/BOS/ORD.. I thought for sure that would be 4 must-do markets..

I remember hearing a few years ago that HA was thinking seriously about flights beyond the West Coast once additional 767s were delivered. I do not know what happened to those plans, though. I have always thought it would be interesting if they could offer a direct JFK-HNL-SYD flight, or at least a well-timed connection (along with other feed from the West Coast), but the scheduling might get tricky and I'm not sure if the yields would make it worthwhile.

Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 10):
UA flew JFK-HNL nonstop, eons ago..... with a DC-8 no less.

As STT757 noted, CO also flew JFK-HNL at one point, with DC-10s. I believe PA also flew the route with 747s at one time.

Quoting Jammin (Reply 12):
Hmmm, I'm wondering why Americans would go all the way to Hawaii from the East Coast for a holiday when the Caribbean and even Ibiza in the Med would be closer. Plus, you actually get to go another country, maybe even try speaking a foreign language, etc.. But, I guess Hawaii's marketing machine works and still attracts the hordes. Haven't been yet, but I think there's so many other islands I'd want to visit first... oh well...

Don't knock it until you've tried it! Hawaii is much more than just a beach. The Caribbean is nice, but it's not quite the same. And Ibiza isn't that easy to get to from the US, nor is it very warm during our winter. I've been all over Europe, Latin America, even as far as Thailand, Australia and French Polynesia, and I always like trying new places, but there will always be something special about Hawaii.

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 7):
Just a comment on CO EWR-HNL... its a 764, so you have a PTV... not to mention a MEAL! Its the best way to go to the Islands if you live in the NY Metro Area.

Glad to hear it, since I am taking that flight next week!
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RE: JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:38 am

Quoting Ptugarin (Reply 13):
I'd rather go to South Cone (Argentina/Chile/Uruguay) during Northern winter which is similar distance but pretty much same time zone Smile

That's the other thing I was thinking about while looking at my route map here and noting just how many time zones you cross from the East Coast to HNL compared to the Carib.

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 16):
Don't knock it until you've tried it! Hawaii is much more than just a beach.

But I hear ya FoxBravo, I too have seen through the media everything that Hawaii is and certainly will visit some day.  airplane 

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 14):
One thing I don't get is why don't Caribbean airline fly to more East Coast destinations?

I don't think Caribbean airlines not flying to the East Coast should be a reason for reduced traffic. I feel Americans would generally take US carriers, which would probably be cheaper, plus you can't forgo earning those miles  Yeah sure

Quoting STT757 (Reply 15):
HNL is a major maintenance facility for CO's widebodies

That's interesting and that makes sense for CO.
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RE: JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting WestIndian425 (Reply 11):
A dc-8? That's impressive, to say the least!!

Offhand, I'm guessing CO's EWR-HNL 764 is nearer its full-payload range limit than UA's DC-8-62 was.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:24 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 18):
Offhand, I'm guessing CO's EWR-HNL 764 is nearer its full-payload range limit than UA's DC-8-62 was.

Well...not quite. From the data I have, the DC-8-62 had a range of 5200nm, whereas the 764 has a range of over 5600nm (JFK-HNL is 4330nm). But you're right that it's close to the limit for the 764, when you factor in winds. As was discussed on a thread last week, there were two days in a row when CO15 had to stop at LAX for fuel due to the strong jetstream (instead of offloading pax and/or their bags).
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:16 am

You're almost right, but I said "full payload". The graphs on Boeing's site show less than 4000 nm for the 767-400ER with full payload.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:24 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 20):
You're almost right, but I said "full payload". The graphs on Boeing's site show less than 4000 nm for the 767-400ER with full payload.

Apologies if my data was incorrect. What do you have as the range w/max payload for the DC-8-62, just out of curiosity?
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RE: JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:50 am

Quoting Jammin (Reply 12):
Hmmm, I'm wondering why Americans would go all the way to Hawaii from the East Coast for a holiday when the Caribbean and even Ibiza in the Med would be closer

Well jeez, you should go and check it out yourself. I've traveled all over the world and by far the place that for me is the most magical, is Hawaii. There is something about the soothing breeze cleansed by 2,500 of open ocean, the way the light filters through the palm trees through an early morning shower, the surprise of whales leaping out of the ocean just off shore, and the ocean of a million hues of blue. True, you can find such things at other locales, but I've never seen a place put it all together like Hawaii.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:03 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 22):
True, you can find such things at other locales, but I've never seen a place put it all together like Hawaii.

Also.. isn't a lot of the Caribbean.. well, dangerous? I've never been and planning a trip for either later this year or next year.. but I am always hearing there are only certain "safe" parts to most Caribbean islands.. don't know how true that is.. but that's what I hear..

But for real.. Caribbean Airways and Bahamas Air need to get some DC9, E70, CR7, or 735 and open some more East Coast / Southeast destinations..
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RE: JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:17 pm

Quoting Jammin (Reply 12):
, you actually get to go another country, maybe even try speaking a foreign language, etc



Quoting Ptugarin (Reply 13):
I don't understand this myself either. I'd rather go to South Cone (Argentina/Chile/Uruguay) during Northern winter which is similar distance but pretty much same time zone

Not sure if either of you have ever been there, but it is the most beautiful place on the planet. I've flown the CO EWR/HNL flight round trip 7 times.

Don't forget, Hawaii was once an independent kingdom and the Hawaiian langauge still exists. So it is both a relaxing tropical oasis as well as a cultural one.

And to say you "don't understand" why people would go there? Hmmmmm..... English is the official language, US dollar is the currency, one of the 50 states, wonderful weather (80's all year), beaches, volcanos, etc., etc.

I wouldn't fault anyone for wanting to go to Argentina....why are you faulting them for wanting to go to Hawaii?
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:25 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 14):
and Hawaii is pushed in your face all the time.. every tv show, game show, etc.. has Hawaii as an exotic getaway.. when in truth we do have some right below us.. but, it's all about advertising and opportunities..

Just a side note - the first of my seven trips to Hawaii came about because I wanted to spend a week in Puerto Rico. When I checked prices, it was actually cheaper to stay for one week in Hawaii (at the Hilton Hawaiian Village), including airfare, then it was for a week in Puerto Rico.

The Caribbean is not as cheap or convenient as you all say. Then to top it off, most of the Caribbean places I've been to have pushy locals trying to sell you tourist garbage. Not to mention lack of adequate facilities. For example, Antigua's sewage system had waiste water flowing through the streets.

That said, there are some very nice places in the Caribbean (St. Lucia, Aruba, Puerto Rico) that I will definitely go back to. But people seem to be shocked that people from the East coast would go all the way to Hawaii. The bottom line is that it is a very desireable place to visit!
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:45 pm

Quoting Mkirch72 (Reply 25):
That said, there are some very nice places in the Caribbean (St. Lucia, Aruba, Puerto Rico) that I will definitely go back to. But people seem to be shocked that people from the East coast would go all the way to Hawaii. The bottom line is that it is a very desireable place to visit!

I have been to alot (most) of the Caribbean and also Hawaii. I agree that Hawaii has beautiful places and alot of pluses, but you are not going to convince me that it is less expensive than the Caribbean. I find that Hawaii is one of the most expensive places to live and vacation in the US. Not to mention the length of the flight from the East Coast. The Caribbean,and Central America is much more convienient to get to and I also feel the beaches, and the diving are superior to Hawaii. The first time I saw Hawaii was 38 years ago, and I was a bit disappointed. I have been back there since, and did enjoy it, but still can't say that it is one of my favorite tropical places.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:07 pm

Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 26):
but you are not going to convince me that it is less expensive than the Caribbean.

From a very well known travel website (not sure if I can mention the name, but it would be very "expeditious" of you to check it out):

I checked for a one week vacation (3/1 through 3/8) from TPA (my home) to both SJU and HNL, including airfare and hotel, and came up with the following:

-One week in Puerto Rico at the San Juan Marriott Resort and Stellaris Casino (4 stars) and AA flights was $1,664 per person

-One week in Hawaii at the Waikiki Beach Marriott Resort & Spa (4 stars) and DL flights was $1,315 per person

It was also cheaper at the following 4 star hotels (4 stars defined by the website): Sheraton Waikiki ($1,410 per person), Hawaii Prince Hotel ($1,145 per person), Turtle Bay Resort ($1,386 per person), Hyatt Regency Waikiki Resort & Spa ($1,411 per person), The Outrigger Waikiki on the Beach ($1,349 per person), The Royal Hawaiian Hotel ($1,260 per person), The Sheraton Moana Surfrider Hotel on Waikiki ($1,222 per person).

Now if you don't have to stay at a 4 star, you can stay within a two block walk to Waikiki Beach for one week (same dates above) including flight from Tampa and hotel in HNL for $820 per person (Aqua Continental Hotel).

You may need convincing, but I have traveled enough to both areas to know that Hawaii can be very economical compared to the Caribbean.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:21 pm

AA operated JFK-HNL from Aug. '70 until early '73 utilizing a 707-323B.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:31 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 4):
There are no current non-stop JFK-HNL flights operating. Maybe a future market for DL?!

CO did fly in 1987/1988? JFK-HNL. I have to dig out my OAG Pocket Guide.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:45 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 22):

i agree.I've been to the caribean,Europe,Australia, Tahiti but the Hawaiian islands are my favourite,I'd rather fly 16 hours to Hawaii than 2 hours to ibiza or 8 hours to the caribbean any day.

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Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:02 pm

Quoting 28L28L (Reply 28):
AA operated JFK-HNL from Aug. '70 until early '73 utilizing a 707-323B.

That's when AA also operated HNL-SYD with 707s. It didn't last long.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:37 pm

Quoting Mkirch72 (Reply 27):
It was also cheaper at the following 4 star hotels (4 stars defined by the website): Sheraton Waikiki ($1,410 per person), Hawaii Prince Hotel ($1,145 per person), Turtle Bay Resort ($1,386 per person), Hyatt Regency Waikiki Resort & Spa ($1,411 per person), The Outrigger Waikiki on the Beach ($1,349 per person), The Royal Hawaiian Hotel ($1,260 per person), The Sheraton Moana Surfrider Hotel on Waikiki ($1,222 per person).

The only problem with this list is that Honolulu would not even make my top 25 list of favorite tropical cities. I lived in San Diego for 5 years, and although it wouldn't make my top 25 list either, I would rate it ahead of Honolulu.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:40 pm

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 29):
CO did fly in 1987/1988? JFK-HNL.

Yes we did. Our HNL crews did that. Some trips the HNL crews went on to ORY out of EWR before heading back to HNL. They were great trips.
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:36 am

I remember the HNL based CO crews flying all the way to Paris, via NY, back in the late '80s. Interesting to learn that the HNL-NY segment landed at JFK at first. For some reason I had assumed that EWR had always been the NY airport used - probably because it appeared to me that CO had a larger presence at EWR, even before PE. Was JFK used because of the relationship that CO was forging with EA (since they used the EA terminal) at that time?
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:41 am

Quoting 28L28L (Reply 34):
I remember the HNL based CO crews flying all the way to Paris, via NY, back in the late '80s. Interesting to learn that the HNL-NY segment landed at JFK at first. For some reason I had assumed that EWR had always been the NY airport used - probably because it appeared to me that CO had a larger presence at EWR, even before PE. Was JFK used because of the relationship that CO was forging with EA (since they used the EA terminal) at that time?

That could very well be. The trips went HNL-JFK/EWR-ORY-EWR/JFK-HNL then went HNL-LAX-EWR-ORY-EWR-LAX-HNL.

We utilised the B Terminal (gates 40s and 50s and some 60s)for most our flight and the North Terminal for shuttle (DCA and BOS) flights before Terminal C was opened.
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Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting Ptugarin (Reply 13):

I don't understand this myself either. I'd rather go to South Cone (Argentina/Chile/Uruguay) during Northern winter which is similar distance but pretty much same time zone Smile

You also don't need a passport to go to Hawaii, though for many on the East Coast it's like going to another country. It's less of a hassle than leaving the country.

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Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:59 am

I found this on UA's website in the history section. It looks like UA flew DC-8-62's between JFK and HNL starting in the late 60's. There is quite a bit of historic info in this section.

Aug. 1, 1969
United launches nonstop Chicago-Honolulu service with Douglas DC-8-62 aircraft, an industry first.

Oct. 1, 1969
United inaugurates nonstop New York-Honolulu service, establishing what was then the longest U.S. domestic air route of 4,979 miles.
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Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:12 am

Quoting Airlinebrat (Reply 37):
I found this on UA's website in the history section. It looks like UA flew DC-8-62's between JFK and HNL starting in the late 60's. There is quite a bit of historic info in this section.

UA bought their 10 DC-8-62s (all delivered in 1969) primarily for those longhaul sectors from JFK/ORD to HNL. UA's were the highest gross weight -62H model. The JFK-HNL route didn't last long, perhaps 2 or 3 years. I think they discovered fairly quickly that fewer east coast residents than they expected wanted to spend 10 hours flying to Hawaii when they could get to sunny beaches in the Caribbean in 3 hours at a much lower fare.

I flew on almost every DC-8 model operated by UA from the -10 through the re-engined -71 over the years, but only once on a -62, ORD-SEA in the mid 1970s.


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Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:14 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 38):
The JFK-HNL route didn't last long, perhaps 2 or 3 years.

Or 5 or 6.
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:15 am

Quoting Jammin (Reply 12):
Hmmm, I'm wondering why Americans would go all the way to Hawaii from the East Coast for a holiday when the Caribbean and even Ibiza in the Med would be closer.

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For our American friends, please please do not take Jammin's advise and travel all the way to Ibiza (IBZ), for a sunshine holiday...

Unless you like the delights of an island packed with UK Charter airlines flying into the island in their thousands with lager swilling Brits onboard, coming on their £99 bargain holiday and expecting a small piece of please chav England in the sun! Then there's the Club 18-30 holidays with guys coming to shag as many women as possible and getting a free STI thrown in for good measure!

(I do here the nightlife in Ibiza Town is good though!)
 
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:44 am

Quoting Jammin (Reply 12):
Hmmm, I'm wondering why Americans would go all the way to Hawaii from the East Coast for a holiday when the Caribbean and even Ibiza in the Med would be closer.

Well I agree withthe posters who say Hawaii is gorgeous, but it will never be more than a niche upmarket destination from the East Coast in the same way, Jamaica or Puerto Rico is a niche upmarket destination from the West Coast. If you are a family of four, say looking to get away for a week for the winter, would you rather fly three hours to San Juan (or better Ponce, which has the prettiest Puerto Rican girls and a great Spanish colonial downtown, but I digress) or ten to Honolulu?

So I don't think it is the quality of Hawaii, but rather the fact that from the East Coast it is a major vacation, while from CA, five hours and lots of competition makes Hawaii attractive.

I think this is one of the reasons that Air Tahiti Nui isn't doing as well as planned from New York, you have to have lots of money and a fair amount of time, nobody, other than A.netters will spend that long in a plane to pop over for the week-end.
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RE: JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:50 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 38):
I flew on almost every DC-8 model operated by UA from the -10 through the re-engined -71 over the years, but only once on a -62, ORD-SEA in the mid 1970s.

I think I have flown on every DC-8 model operated by UA as well.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 40):
Unless you like the delights of an island packed with UK Charter airlines flying into the island in their thousands with lager swilling Brits onboard, coming on their £99 bargain holiday and expecting a small piece of please chav England in the sun! Then there's the Club 18-30 holidays with guys coming to shag as many women as possible and getting a free STI thrown in for good measure!

Reminds me of the beach resorts in Thailand..... There were tons of drunken Scandinavians, Aussies and Poms down there. But in Thailand, it was the Israeli dudes that were on the nonstop shagathon mission  Wink

I think the hesitation of taking a 10+ hour flight to someplace like Hawaii or Tahiti is nonsense. I had no problem with the 17 hour flight from California to Thailand. My experiences in SE Asia were worth every minute I sat in a Y class airplane seat.

Quoting Csavel (Reply 41):
If you are a family of four, say looking to get away for a week for the winter, would you rather fly three hours to San Juan

That is why I like Hawaii. Fewer people from the East Coast. I must admit, I was born and raised in Jersey......
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RE: JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 38):

UA bought their 10 DC-8-62s (all delivered in 1969) primarily for those longhaul sectors from JFK/ORD to HNL. UA's were the highest gross weight -62H model. The JFK-HNL route didn't last long, perhaps 2 or 3 years. I think they discovered fairly quickly that fewer east coast residents than they expected wanted to spend 10 hours flying to Hawaii when they could get to sunny beaches in the Caribbean in 3 hours at a much lower fare.

I flew on almost every DC-8 model operated by UA from the -10 through the re-engined -71 over the years, but only once on a -62, ORD-SEA in the mid 1970s.

I flew on the United HNL-JFK nonstop flight back in the Summer of 1974....DC8-62 service that departed HNL in the late afternoon and arrived at JFK in the early morning, flying time was about 8.5 hours. During that period, the HNL-JFK flight operated 3 times per week (SaSuMo I think). For the IFE junkies, it was a big deal that UA showed three movies enroute.......dinner and breakfast was served in both cabins.

(Off topic UA DC8 memories......summer 1973 I flew JFK-SLC on a DC8-21 (the airplanes with curtains and not window shades!!!) and also DEN-JFK on a DC8-51.)
 
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RE: JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting Csavel (Reply 41):
I think this is one of the reasons that Air Tahiti Nui isn't doing as well as planned from New York, you have to have lots of money and a fair amount of time, nobody, other than A.netters will spend that long in a plane to pop over for the week-end.

You must remember, Tahiti is much father than Hawai'i from the East Coast....the Language is French....its much more expensive....you need a passport...etc.

I don't know why people spend so much time fighting over who does/doesn't want to go to Hawai'i. That FACTS prove that millions want to come here, and do every year (over 7 million the last 2-3 years). The FACTS also show that the Eastern US is showing the biggest increases in visitors to Hawai'i. The FACTS also show that visitors from the Eastern US stay longer and spend more.

Those are FACTS, not opinions. Accept it...even though its farther than the Caribbean (or Ibiza) people want to come here and do. If an airline wants to fly the route and serve these people, why shouldn't they??

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